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11/28/2008  6:29 PM
Posted by TMS:

i blame Dolan more than i blame Walsh or MDA for mishandling this situation... the other 2 guys' hands are tied w/o Dolan's consent to a buyout, which he refuses to sign off on at anything more than what he's already agreed to... Dolan is the one who doesn't give a rat's arse how much of a distraction Marbury's become, not Walsh or MDA... neither 1 of those guys even wanted Marbs here from the very beginning.

as for Marbs, he's an idiot, we all know this... u can't expect an idiot to act like he's got any common sense... the sooner he's gone the better off this franchise is.

A buyout would be nice but it shouldn't stop Walsh and D'Antoni from handling this situation better. Stevie Franchise wasn't bought out. He was just put in exile and that's exactly what the Knicks should have done with Marbury while they worked on buying him out.
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11/28/2008  6:45 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i blame Dolan more than i blame Walsh or MDA for mishandling this situation... the other 2 guys' hands are tied w/o Dolan's consent to a buyout, which he refuses to sign off on at anything more than what he's already agreed to... Dolan is the one who doesn't give a rat's arse how much of a distraction Marbury's become, not Walsh or MDA... neither 1 of those guys even wanted Marbs here from the very beginning.

as for Marbs, he's an idiot, we all know this... u can't expect an idiot to act like he's got any common sense... the sooner he's gone the better off this franchise is.

A buyout would be nice but it shouldn't stop Walsh and D'Antoni from handling this situation better. Stevie Franchise wasn't bought out. He was just put in exile and that's exactly what the Knicks should have done with Marbury while they worked on buying him out.

I love what Walsh & D'Antoni have done with the team for the most part.

There flaw so far(though it may be because of Dolan) has been the fact that they should have cut James & Rose, And if Marbury wasn't apart of the plans put him on exile until a buyout was agreed. With the roster spots they saved off of cutting these 2 players. They should have the flexibility to fill in needs with young hungry players.

If the Knicks put 100% focus on basketball rather then holding on to the useless contracts of James, Rose, & Marbury since he isn't apart of the team. Then we wouldn't have the drama we have now.

What would we pay an extra 1400-1800k of player that can possibly contribute rather then hold on to useless players.
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11/28/2008  7:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

i blame Dolan more than i blame Walsh or MDA for mishandling this situation... the other 2 guys' hands are tied w/o Dolan's consent to a buyout, which he refuses to sign off on at anything more than what he's already agreed to... Dolan is the one who doesn't give a rat's arse how much of a distraction Marbury's become, not Walsh or MDA... neither 1 of those guys even wanted Marbs here from the very beginning.

as for Marbs, he's an idiot, we all know this... u can't expect an idiot to act like he's got any common sense... the sooner he's gone the better off this franchise is.

A buyout would be nice but it shouldn't stop Walsh and D'Antoni from handling this situation better. Stevie Franchise wasn't bought out. He was just put in exile and that's exactly what the Knicks should have done with Marbury while they worked on buying him out.

where i think this situation could have been handled better is i wish MDA had just refused to ever address the questions about Marbs & just did what he had to do when the situation called for it... i just don't see the reason for him to make all these decisions of his public to the press who he should know are going to run w/any story like this & make it a bigger deal than it has to be... i don't buy the fact that he's not used to the NY media & how to handle it, he's way too intelligent of a guy to not know how the NY media runs w/these types of stories... i could buy someone like Marbs who's about as knuckleheaded as they come not realizing the effect his words have to the media, but not D'Antoni.

that said, i really blame Dolan more than anyone else in all this... he knows how much of a distraction Marbury is & yet he's too damn proud to ever cave in & admit defeat in anything he ever does, no matter how boneheaded or inane a decision it was to begin with... we've seen that throughout his entire tenure as the team owner... he doesn't want to give Marbs the satisfaction of having to pay him every cent he already agreed to pay the guy on his contract & then see him go someplace else & play for a contending franchise for peanuts... i can understand the frustration over the thought of that but really, it doesn't serve our franchise at all to have Marbury's black cloud constantly lingering over this team that's trying to form some sense of team unity & cohesion right now under a new regime... Dolan should want to do what's best for this franchise & yet he's allowed his own sense of petty pride get in the way of making that happen.
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11/28/2008  8:48 PM
Posted by Uptown:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3731403

When will all this drama finally end and when can we get back to focusing on basketball?

Never, I hope.
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11/28/2008  11:46 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I think they are going to attempt to take away salary from him anyway that they can in hopes that he realizes he will not get paid in full.

I think it was the players union that Marbury went to seek advice. The Knicks have got to be careful here. That's probably why their being so soft right now. it's clearly a cat and mouse game going on right now.

When this guy is finally gone forever, we should have a parade.
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11/28/2008  11:51 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:


As much as were complaining about Marbury trying to stick it to the Knicks. Walsh & D'Antoni need to also stop trying to stick it to Marbury, just cut ties with him. This is the last yr of his contract, whats the problem.

About 19 to 20 million dollars at this point. Why get rid of him if you can just send him away? But then again, the Knicks aren't exactly getting anything from him anyway.

I think it's a matter of them letting him go to another team, and him showing them up somehow. Marbury is a loose cannon. You don't want to be hit by a loose cannon.
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11/28/2008  11:52 PM
He said....

An update on the situation Steph says
Felt like he was being set up by coach.

His jersey wasn't even in the locker room for him to play.

He hasn't practiced with the team in over a month.


This has also been reported by Chris Sheridan of ESPN News
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11/29/2008  12:07 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:
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Well deserved suspension. Does Marbury actually expect us to believe that the coach is lying to everyone? Who has more credibility here? Please.

When have you known Marbury to lie about anything?

It's not that he lies straight out. It's that he's manipulative. He's the one who's caused so much mistrust, that the new coach wanted to get a foot into the doorway before Marbury did.

For all of Marbury's faults, he's survived two coaches and GM. Many players have come and gone and he's still here, because he's made it very difficult to trade him. This guy is not an innocent bystander by any stretch of the imagination. He has pouted his way all the way through.

He's made statements that clearly said that he was the most important thing on this team and that he was the leader. He lied right there, because he hasn't led one solitary thing for the Knicks. Instead, he's been nothing more than a distraction and his biggest crime is 'not ever once coming forward to try and make any situation better than what it was'. He's never stepped to the plate when we really needed him to.

So to me, it's no wonder D'Antoni stabbed him in the back, right off the bat to let him know. And it's no wonder why Donnie is tip toeing his way to figuring out what to do. It is because of Marbury once again why we are in the predicament that we are in.

Marbury is a lie just as the person he is and the trouble he has caused. That's the lie he's been before he came to NY and the lie he'll be after he is gone.
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11/29/2008  12:11 AM
Posted by toodarkmark:

I am sick and freaking tired of hearing about Walsh and D'Antoni not handling this right.

Marbury has burned bridges with Lenny Wilkins, Larry Brown, he even got turned on by Isiah Thomas. Players hated him in Minnesota, in New Jersey, Phoenix and here. Let's see the list of players who have commented on him in the past. Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Keith Van Horn, Quentin Richardson.

This guy is the cities BIGGEST LOSER. And people are saying Walsh and D'Antoni are handling this wrong? Amazing. When James Dolan was REFUSING to buy him out? I am disgusted by people defending him. While on the Knicks he hurt Wilkins career, Larry Brown's career and now is hurting D'Antoni's. When does this stop?

I totally agree.
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11/29/2008  12:13 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by toodarkmark:

I am sick and freaking tired of hearing about Walsh and D'Antoni not handling this right.

Marbury has burned bridges with Lenny Wilkins, Larry Brown, he even got turned on by Isiah Thomas. Players hated him in Minnesota, in New Jersey, Phoenix and here. Let's see the list of players who have commented on him in the past. Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Keith Van Horn, Quentin Richardson.

This guy is the cities BIGGEST LOSER. And people are saying Walsh and D'Antoni are handling this wrong? Amazing. When James Dolan was REFUSING to buy him out? I am disgusted by people defending him. While on the Knicks he hurt Wilkins career, Larry Brown's career and now is hurting D'Antoni's. When does this stop?

Nobody is denying Marbury's sordid past but that doesn't absolve Walsh and D'Antoni for handling this situation extremely poorly.

It's not that they are handling it poorly. They don't have much to fight with right now. It's now a legal matter and they have to be careful. That right there is a 'Marbury distraction'. How many times have we seen this before? Too many times!
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11/29/2008  12:16 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:

Anybody want to put a friendly wager up that Marbury wins his file of grievance?

Shades of Isiah vs Marbury on the team plane circa 2007-2008.

Good grief do we have another incompetent GM and coach concerning the Marbury issue.



[Edited by - GallOfFame on 11-28-2008 11:32 AM]

The reason why Marbury got the best of Isiah is because Isiah buddied up with him.

The reason why Marbury doesn't have a foot in the door on D'Antoni or Donnis is because they already knew about him and knew what to expect.
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11/29/2008  12:24 AM
Posted by islesfan:
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that said, i do not approve of how walsh has handled this. between this and the draft, i am leery of his leadership.

this quote says a lot to me:
As one NBA executive said, "You have to be on the road with your team right now if you're Donnie. You can't wait until LeBron shows up in two years and then decide to travel with your team."

is Donnie on cruise control until 2010? i hope not. the D'Antoni hire was great, the Duhon signing was great, his Crawford trade was solid and the Zach trade was acceptable. i would have liked to get more draft picks in those trades rather than servicable players. i would have liked to have not given away Balkman. i would much prefer the Marbury situation was handled better. i would have liked if we used the 6th pick in the draft on a player.

Walsh seems to be very detached from the day to day operations of the team. At the beginning of this Marbury mess, Walsh said that he wasn't aware of what was going on and would have to talk to his coach.

to be fair, D'Antoni bristled at a more involved Steve Kerr as GM in Phoenix. it's possible D'Antoni likes to be the more involved party and only fill his GM in. i can't imagine Jerry Colangelo being too involved in Phoenix day to day before Kerr took over.

Walsh has done a solid job and we've all heard the reports that they tried to buyout Marbury at the start of the season but Dolan refused to do it... I don't know what to think, but it's an embarassing situation and it needs to be resolved sooner than later.
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11/29/2008  12:28 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:

that said, i do not approve of how walsh has handled this. between this and the draft, i am leery of his leadership.

this quote says a lot to me:
As one NBA executive said, "You have to be on the road with your team right now if you're Donnie. You can't wait until LeBron shows up in two years and then decide to travel with your team."

is Donnie on cruise control until 2010? i hope not. the D'Antoni hire was great, the Duhon signing was great, his Crawford trade was solid and the Zach trade was acceptable. i would have liked to get more draft picks in those trades rather than servicable players. i would have liked to have not given away Balkman. i would much prefer the Marbury situation was handled better. i would have liked if we used the 6th pick in the draft on a player.

Walsh seems to be very detached from the day to day operations of the team. At the beginning of this Marbury mess, Walsh said that he wasn't aware of what was going on and would have to talk to his coach.

to be fair, D'Antoni bristled at a more involved Steve Kerr as GM in Phoenix. it's possible D'Antoni likes to be the more involved party and only fill his GM in. i can't imagine Jerry Colangelo being too involved in Phoenix day to day before Kerr took over.

Walsh has done a solid job andwe've all heard the reports that they tried to buyout Marbury at the start of the season but Dolan refused to do it... I don't know what to think, but it's an embarassing situation and it needs to be resolved sooner than later.


Marbury hasn't been approached with any buyout figure at all according to his camp the latest from Sheridan. We've also heard our gm doesn't buyout players, he likes to get value for them instead. Go ahead and believe what you want though.

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11/29/2008  12:34 AM
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:

that said, i do not approve of how walsh has handled this. between this and the draft, i am leery of his leadership.

this quote says a lot to me:
As one NBA executive said, "You have to be on the road with your team right now if you're Donnie. You can't wait until LeBron shows up in two years and then decide to travel with your team."

is Donnie on cruise control until 2010? i hope not. the D'Antoni hire was great, the Duhon signing was great, his Crawford trade was solid and the Zach trade was acceptable. i would have liked to get more draft picks in those trades rather than servicable players. i would have liked to have not given away Balkman. i would much prefer the Marbury situation was handled better. i would have liked if we used the 6th pick in the draft on a player.

Walsh seems to be very detached from the day to day operations of the team. At the beginning of this Marbury mess, Walsh said that he wasn't aware of what was going on and would have to talk to his coach.

to be fair, D'Antoni bristled at a more involved Steve Kerr as GM in Phoenix. it's possible D'Antoni likes to be the more involved party and only fill his GM in. i can't imagine Jerry Colangelo being too involved in Phoenix day to day before Kerr took over.

Walsh has done a solid job andwe've all heard the reports that they tried to buyout Marbury at the start of the season but Dolan refused to do it... I don't know what to think, but it's an embarassing situation and it needs to be resolved sooner than later.


Marbury hasn'r been approached with any buyout figure at all according to his camp the latest from Sheridan. We've also heard our gm doesn't buyout players, he likes to get value for them instead. Go ahead and believe what you want though.

Walsh never said he didn't buyout players until after the story leaked that Dolan refused to buy him out. Sheridan also reported that Dolan refused to buy out Marbury. It stands to reason that Walsh would have had to have gotten clearance from Dolan to even begin a discussion with Marbury about a buyout. If Dolan said no, it makes sense he would have said no before the Knicks even approached Marbury with a buyout figure, so I don't get how that proves anything. Marbury's "camp" (which to my knowledge consists of him and Berman) has also said Marbury never refused to play, yet the Knicks claim he has. I don't think we can know the full truth, but it was definitely leaked that D'Antoni and Walsh wanted to buyout Marbury and Dolan quashed it. And it's pretty clear D'Antoni never wanted Marbury here.

What are you saying? The Knicks never approached Marbury with a buyout and clearly want him here? uh, no. Marbury even admitted that he sat down with Walsh in the last few weeks to talk about a buyout and it's been reported by Beck in the new york times that Marbury at one point agreed to take a million less but then backtracked. so, really, I have no idea where you're getting this idea...

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11/29/2008  12:42 AM
Yeah, Marbury doesn't have the best personailty and no, I don't understand his decisions (I won't result to name calling as some of you are so eager to do) but i don't believe that Marbury leaving will be anywhere near the end of the Knicks problems. How many years have we been thinking if we just get rid of this person, we'll finally be on the road to recovery. It won't happen (unless by some stroke of luck) as long as Dolan is in charge. I believe he's the mastermind behind how the situtatuion with Marbury has been handled. It makes absolutley no common sense to me. Marbury's issues have been know long before D'Antoni got here and I'm sure he was familar about them and basically made up his mind long before the season started about whether Marbury would be part of the team.
I think the decision on stringing him along and not just severing the ties was a Dolan call. Which leads back to my earlier point. Decisions such as the one dealing with Marbury will continue to be made and we will continue to not be taking seriously arond the league. It's one bad move after the next. We finally severed ties with Isiah (who was suppose to be the root of all that was wrong with the Knicks) and most thought that would solve most of our problems, becuase Isiah was the problem. Same with Brown, he was the problem. Running theme. The problem lies with the person in charge of Hiring everyone on the team!
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11/29/2008  12:49 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by GallOfFame:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:

that said, i do not approve of how walsh has handled this. between this and the draft, i am leery of his leadership.

this quote says a lot to me:
As one NBA executive said, "You have to be on the road with your team right now if you're Donnie. You can't wait until LeBron shows up in two years and then decide to travel with your team."

is Donnie on cruise control until 2010? i hope not. the D'Antoni hire was great, the Duhon signing was great, his Crawford trade was solid and the Zach trade was acceptable. i would have liked to get more draft picks in those trades rather than servicable players. i would have liked to have not given away Balkman. i would much prefer the Marbury situation was handled better. i would have liked if we used the 6th pick in the draft on a player.

Walsh seems to be very detached from the day to day operations of the team. At the beginning of this Marbury mess, Walsh said that he wasn't aware of what was going on and would have to talk to his coach.

to be fair, D'Antoni bristled at a more involved Steve Kerr as GM in Phoenix. it's possible D'Antoni likes to be the more involved party and only fill his GM in. i can't imagine Jerry Colangelo being too involved in Phoenix day to day before Kerr took over.

Walsh has done a solid job andwe've all heard the reports that they tried to buyout Marbury at the start of the season but Dolan refused to do it... I don't know what to think, but it's an embarassing situation and it needs to be resolved sooner than later.


Marbury hasn'r been approached with any buyout figure at all according to his camp the latest from Sheridan. We've also heard our gm doesn't buyout players, he likes to get value for them instead. Go ahead and believe what you want though.

Walsh never said he didn't buyout players until after the story leaked that Dolan refused to buy him out. Sheridan also reported that Dolan refused to buy out Marbury. It stands to reason that Walsh would have had to have gotten clearance from Dolan to even begin a discussion with Marbury about a buyout. If Dolan said no, it makes sense he would have said no before the Knicks even approached Marbury with a buyout figure, so I don't get how that proves anything. Marbury's "camp" (which to my knowledge consists of him and Berman) has also said Marbury never refused to play, yet the Knicks claim he has. I don't think we can know the full truth, but it was definitely leaked that D'Antoni and Walsh wanted to buyout Marbury and Dolan quashed it. And it's pretty clear D'Antoni never wanted Marbury here.

What are you saying? The Knicks never approached Marbury with a buyout and clearly want him here? uh, no. Marbury even admitted that he sat down with Walsh in the last few weeks to talk about a buyout and it's been reported by Beck in the new york times that Marbury at one point agreed to take a million less but then backtracked. so, really, I have no idea where you're getting this idea...


Sheridan reported this as of today. Our GM made his comments well before the sit down between he and Marbury. If what you're saying is to be taken as factual then obviously there has been a change of thought if a figure was presented to Marbury..... by both our GM and Dolan. Sheridan on ESPN News update with the situation said no figure has been presented to Marbury.
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11/29/2008  1:20 AM
What matters is that soon he will be gone, either in his house or on another team.

Who wanna join his "Goodbye Party"?
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