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11/23/2008  2:29 PM
Posted by BigC:
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Title says it all, can Curry be re-made into a defensive center? He has the size, can he be given a specific role and molded to fit the Knicks current needs?


LOL! that's perfect.
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11/23/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by VDesai:
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Eddy Curry doesn't know how to play basketball. He could still get major points in the paint......but only in the perfect situation for him.

Last night it wasn't a given Eddy woulda got big points. If Eddy was in good spirits maybe but as we've sen in the past......the rest of the team becomes stagnant when eddy is forcing a floater to the right all night.

Aren't you guys excited about the ystem the Knicks are running? Why do some of you want to go back to posting up Eddy?

I think he could score pretty easily here without having to post him up. There's a lot of motion in this O and as a finisher close to the basket, they don't get a lot better than Eddy. Lee was getting the ball 2-3 feet away from the basket last night. It was easy to sneak in there.

Yeah me and you agree.

Just based on the way D'antoni used Zach. Zach didn't really just stand on the block looking for an entry pass. Zach was cutting and just popping up open right at the rim or at least with a clear lane to get his shot off. That's d'antoni's genius right there.

Flashing back to his bulls days, Scott Skiles used to use him on the pick and roll and have him just sliding towards the basket in minimal minutes. That's how curry can contribute. If he's on then it works.....if not then bench him and roll with the guys that's currently doing it. As the season goes on you'd hope Curry embraces the style then the Knicks can have that battering ram guy to punish basically every team in the league, cuz even the great Dwight Howard has a problem playing defense on a guy his size. Its a weapon, but not something that should dominate anything D'antoni is currently doing.

Too bad Curry is such a damn pansy. He's still so young.
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11/23/2008  3:17 PM
He doesn't need to be an allstar, just a solid contributor. He's young and we have him for three more years, why trade him now?
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11/23/2008  3:20 PM
Posted by BigC:
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He's a Jerome clone. Together, they don't even make one decent player.

James can play both ends of the court. Curry is strictly offense. They are both similar because they both have poor conditioning.

Poor conditioning? That's the excuse?!

Please, let's just call them what they are. Useless! The sooner they are off the team the better. They most certainly can't handle the D'Antoni system.
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11/23/2008  3:22 PM
I get annoyed talking about defense cuz yeah it should be taught early......but let me just say this.......anybody can play defense!!!!!

Seriously. The first thing you tell a novice is "just play defense on this guy. Stay in front of him and don't let him outta your sight"......what else is there to comprehend? Those guys typically pick up the game fast and all the other things come with time.

Curry hasn't grasped the concept of simple defense yet. That's a reflection of the type of person he is. I've coached 8-9 year olds and the only thing most of them could do was play defense. Those kids got after it cuz that's just human nature to compete especially if your peers are doing it with you.

I personally believe that shotblocking is overrated.......if guys simply got after it and competed you wouldn't need a bonified shot blocker.

"Stop ball"......that's it.......Oakley, Mason, kurt thomas? Those guys stopped the ball. That means if a guy is driving you step up and close off the lane. No need to jump. Curry just stands there like he's a nba camera man.

Check guys like Brad Miller. He plays defense. He just steps over to stop the ball. He gets less than a block a game. But you don't see guys driving the lane at will on his teams.

I dunno man I can ramble forever about it.......its basic stuff to the average basketball fanatic. My 5 year old son knows how to play defense. He knows from playing with me that anything that comes down to his level belongs to him.

So is it the lack of a real ather figure? I dunno, I'm trying to figure it out.
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11/23/2008  3:23 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

Maybe if we promise a cheeseburger for every Offensive Rebound.

The downside to that though is 'the more cheese, then the less rebounds' and it would eventually balance itself out to about 4 rebounds a game. Minus block shots and getting down the floor on time. I'm factoring in 40 minutes a game here.
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11/23/2008  3:25 PM
Posted by Rookie:

why trade him now?

That's actually a question.

I can think of 100 reasons.
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11/23/2008  3:26 PM
Posted by EnySpree:


Seriously. The first thing you tell a novice is "just play defense on this guy. Stay in front of him and don't let him outta your sight"......what else is there to comprehend?

There's a lot more to do with it then that Spree.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-23-2008 3:27 PM]
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11/23/2008  3:36 PM
Posted by 4949:
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why trade him now?

That's actually a question.

I can think of 100 reasons.

Yes, and a statement. Get him some minutes, work on his game, let him be productive. Let him come into camp next fall in shape and if he doesn't fit the plan then, then trade him. He'll have more value and there really is no big need to dump him now for nothing. Let's see what MDA can do with him and then decide. At the very least he can raise his trade value. What does it hurt us to play him and try and help him realize his upside. He's still very young.
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11/23/2008  4:06 PM
Posted by 4949:
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Seriously. The first thing you tell a novice is "just play defense on this guy. Stay in front of him and don't let him outta your sight"......what else is there to comprehend?

There's a lot more to do with it then that Spree.

[Edited by - 4949 on 11-23-2008 3:27 PM]

Nah man its just as simple as that.

All the other stuff like playing the passing lanes, and blocking shots shouldn't be anybody's focus. Bottom line is to stay with your man.

Next is to not allow guys to walk passed you with the ball untouched. No way do you play bird watcher like curry does. Stay with your man until a guy makes a play to the rim and you stop him.......it doesn't have to be with blocked shot. Body Check!!!! Take the charge!
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11/23/2008  4:10 PM
Posted by BigC:
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Title says it all, can Curry be re-made into a defensive center? He has the size, can he be given a specific role and molded to fit the Knicks current needs?


LMAO. That summed it up perfectly.
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11/23/2008  4:18 PM
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11/23/2008  5:49 PM
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by 4949:
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why trade him now?

That's actually a question.

I can think of 100 reasons.

Yes, and a statement. Get him some minutes, work on his game, let him be productive. Let him come into camp next fall in shape and if he doesn't fit the plan then, then trade him. He'll have more value and there really is no big need to dump him now for nothing. Let's see what MDA can do with him and then decide. At the very least he can raise his trade value. What does it hurt us to play him and try and help him realize his upside. He's still very young.

Ok, first of all, who isn't letting him get some minutes, work on his game, let him be productive? Curry

Who isn't letting him come into cam in shape? Curry

This is why most here have lots all faith and hope in the guy. Why do you think the Bulls wanted to trade him so much? The guy has a drive problem. He doesn't care as much as we would like him to care. If he did he would've come IN SHAPE THIS SEASON, which would've gotten him many minutes and either establish him on the team or get traded for nice value. But he didn't. The Knicks warned him to come in shape and he didn't. There is no one to blame but him and at this point he has little options on this team.

Now, who doesn't want him back playing? It certainly isn't the Knicks, who want him on the court obviously to see how he could fit in D'Antoni's system and to create trade value for him. Curry may have been vanished like Marbury, but not for the same reasons. He has a chance to play in this team but he just isn't yet in game shape to do so. If he could that would be fantastic, but be careful what you expect out of him. At some points this players prove they can't improve their game the way we would hope. Curry may be young, but he has been in the league for too long a time to think he is still a prospect that can turn around his game. Its more likely that he will remain a great post scorer and thats it. And if that is the case, the Knicks better trade him as soon as he gets trade value again.

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11/23/2008  5:53 PM
Curry is being handled all wrong, just like Marbury. These guys are the core of the Team that Zeke Built. Walsh is undoing all the progress that Zeke made in the aftermath of Layden.
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11/23/2008  6:02 PM
no, curry cannot be remade into a defensive center. i don't think he has a future here. i do, however, think we can eventually move him.
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11/23/2008  6:10 PM
What is the urgency to trade him this season....and use Lee as the kicker to make a trade possible? That is all I'm saying. He's a kid and responded once to a tough minded coach in Brown. MDA is a better coach and will give him the kick in the ass he needs. Then decide whether to trade him or not. Big dudes like that aren't falling from the sky, why not give our new coach a chance to make a new man out of him. What have we got to lose? One more year won't decrease his value.
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11/23/2008  6:17 PM
that makes more sense than believing he'll become a defensive center
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What is the urgency to trade him this season....and use Lee as the kicker to make a trade possible? That is all I'm saying. He's a kid and responded once to a tough minded coach in Brown. MDA is a better coach and will give him the kick in the ass he needs. Then decide whether to trade him or not. Big dudes like that aren't falling from the sky, why not give our new coach a chance to make a new man out of him. What have we got to lose? One more year won't decrease his value.

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11/23/2008  6:21 PM
The only reason I want him to play is sot hat he can have some sort of value. He has no future on this team and he will never be a starter here or even a good contributor. He need to play himself into shape, show something on the court, and then get traded at the deadline or this summer.
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11/23/2008  6:40 PM
Posted by Rookie:

What is the urgency to trade him this season....and use Lee as the kicker to make a trade possible? That is all I'm saying. He's a kid and responded once to a tough minded coach in Brown. MDA is a better coach and will give him the kick in the ass he needs. Then decide whether to trade him or not. Big dudes like that aren't falling from the sky, why not give our new coach a chance to make a new man out of him. What have we got to lose? One more year won't decrease his value.

LOL we want him to play for D'Antoni, the difference may be that many know what to expect from him, and that is the same we've seen in the past, and if that is the case the best thing that can happen is get a nice package for him. But sure we all want Curry to get healthy and sure we want D'Antoni to make the best with him, but in the end its unlikely he is part of the team's future. And his contract being off the cap will help us too.
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11/23/2008  7:45 PM
Posted by Rookie:

What is the urgency to trade him this season....and use Lee as the kicker to make a trade possible? That is all I'm saying. He's a kid and responded once to a tough minded coach in Brown. MDA is a better coach and will give him the kick in the ass he needs. Then decide whether to trade him or not. Big dudes like that aren't falling from the sky, why not give our new coach a chance to make a new man out of him. What have we got to lose? One more year won't decrease his value.

Brown hated him and benched him for Jackie Butler in most important moments. Curry is not a fit for what D'Antoni wants, even if he is in shape. He doesn't make quick decisions with the ball and he clogs the middle of the floor which needs to be open in this system. I don't think he'll ever play real minutes for this team.

he needs to go at some point. and i am not in favor of trying to maximize his value by playing him and wasting the rest of the team's time.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 23-11-2008 7:47 PM]

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