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11/6/2008  1:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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maybe a better question is how many of those guys could we have gotten on a 2 year MLE contract?

that has nothing to do with it. knicks made the choice to not invest in the most important position in the team (and from the nba landscape), the league. and they invested it in one of the worst pg's in the league and the way our offense looks shows it. especially considering they had marbury already under contract for one more season.

so ur saying we woulda been better off starting Marbury again this year... i couldn't disagree w/u more... how any Knick fan can think we'd be better off w/Marbury starting games after the crap we've witnessed the past few years is beyond me.
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11/6/2008  1:43 PM
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What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

there is good player and there is starting pg. he is NOT what this system needs. this system needs a pg that will control the team and find open men. this pass to the open man stuff is a myth. clyde frazier controlled the ball and ran the offense. duhon basically brings the ball up and passes it off. it's out of necessity they have to play this way. again, there is no head out there.

this team would be alot better if steph was playing pg this year. if they were going short term investment, then 1 year with steph is shorter term than 2 years with dudu. at this point, nate should be running the team. the best the team has looked in the past 4 years was with a starting backcourt of steph + nate. now the knicks will have to find another pg in 2 years while getting outplayed at the position in the interim.

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11/6/2008  1:43 PM
Posted by Vmart:

What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.
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11/6/2008  1:45 PM
Posted by TMS:
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What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.

that's not the point. he should've been waived. but he wasn't. so he's here and he's still the best guard on the team. so why not play him? as punishment? that's not smart.
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11/6/2008  1:46 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Vmart:

What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.

Somewhere along the lines the fans just got stupid. There was a line in the Newspapers think Newday where it stated that when D'Antoni interviewed the Knicks team when he asked about Marbury it was mostly negative.


[Edited by - Vmart on 11-06-2008 1:47 PM]
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11/6/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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Posted by Vmart:

What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.

that's not the point. he should've been waived. but he wasn't. so he's here and he's still the best guard on the team. so why not play him? as punishment? that's not smart.

He isn't the best guard if the team doesn't want to play with him. He has a negative reaction with the team. They don't want him around.
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11/6/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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Posted by Vmart:

What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.

that's not the point. he should've been waived. but he wasn't. so he's here and he's still the best guard on the team. so why not play him? as punishment? that's not smart.

the only reason he's still here is because Dolan refuses to buy him out at full value... MDA never wanted him here to begin with & Walsh can't do a damn thing about the situation because Dolan has to sign off on any buyouts... so it is what it is... playing Marbury does absolutely nothing to help this team, either in the short term or the longterm... sucking just a little bit less this year does nothing to help this team... having him around the team sucks but there's nothing anyone can do about it... u wanna be angry, be angry at Dolan, but to be honest i can't blame the guy for not wanting to pay a guy $21 million so he can go work for someone else.
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11/6/2008  1:57 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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Posted by Vmart:

What is wrong with you guys. Duhon is a good player he is playing in the system doing what needs to be done. His job is to make sure that his teammates are involved in the game scoring. This is what I don't understand about most on this board. He makes sure the others are scoring and in the process passes up on opportunities for himself in the process. This has been the problem with the Knicks in the past with Marbury, with Marbury teammates just stood there and Marbury would look to score the team involvement was very low. Duhon atleast has the team going and the teammates seem to be happy knowing that Duhon is looking out for them.

i'm seriously at a loss for words over how all these people are pining for Marbury to get playing time this year after all the crap he's put this franchise through... it really boggles the mind.

Somewhere along the lines the fans just got stupid. There was a line in the Newspapers think Newday where it stated that when D'Antoni interviewed the Knicks team when he asked about Marbury it was mostly negative.


[Edited by - Vmart on 11-06-2008 1:47 PM]

there's no way in hell MDA will ever let what happened w/LB happen w/him in his first season... he never wanted Marbury to be here cuz he knew he'd be a disruption to what he was trying to accomplish... now that this whole fiasco has become what it is, Marbury is once again a huge distraction, & this time it's not even his fault, it's Dolan's.
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11/6/2008  2:09 PM
I know D'Antoni is a stupid moron but.............I'm pretty sure after coaching Nash for a few years he has an idea of how important the PG is. I'm also pretty sure that if he thought Duhon was the PG of the future and the guard they HAD TO HAVE he would have been signed for more than 2 years. Duhon was signed to be a stopgap. A guy that can come in, move the ball, hustle, have an understanding of winning and not take 100 shots. He's doing all of the above. Now after 2 years he will either be gone or have proven himself well enough to be a back up PG/mentor when the PG of the future is brought in.

The PG of the future for us was not available so our front office did not try to con us by going after some "big name" that wasn't going to help us win. They found a stopgap that would be solid, accept a contract under 3 years and would hustle on the floor. What is the problem? After all the mess the past few years how could anyone in their right mind be pining for Marbury?

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11/6/2008  2:11 PM
We have spent the last few years treading water as our GM's signed the "best available" to long term contracts. Now finally our front office passed on that strategy and instead targeted a role player to a short term contract to pass the time while young players developed and they searched for a true fit. What are we complaining about?
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11/6/2008  2:13 PM
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We have spent the last few years treading water as our GM's signed the "best available" to long term contracts. Now finally our front office passed on that strategy and instead targeted a role player to a short term contract to pass the time while young players developed and they searched for a true fit. What are we complaining about?

everyone's on the rag this season.
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11/6/2008  2:17 PM
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I know D'Antoni is a stupid moron but.............I'm pretty sure after coaching Nash for a few years he has an idea of how important the PG is. I'm also pretty sure that if he thought Duhon was the PG of the future and the guard they HAD TO HAVE he would have been signed for more than 2 years. Duhon was signed to be a stopgap. A guy that can come in, move the ball, hustle, have an understanding of winning and not take 100 shots. He's doing all of the above. Now after 2 years he will either be gone or have proven himself well enough to be a back up PG/mentor when the PG of the future is brought in.

The PG of the future for us was not available so our front office did not try to con us by going after some "big name" that wasn't going to help us win. They found a stopgap that would be solid, accept a contract under 3 years and would hustle on the floor. What is the problem? After all the mess the past few years how could anyone in their right mind be pining for Marbury?

Marbury 79-167 .321(last 3 years)
Duhon 2-2 as a Knick


I don't buy into that. They gave Duhon a contract based on 2010. Once the Knicks are under the cap they can go after the free agent they have and in the process they can spend on resigning Duhon with the Bird rules without really worrying about the cap situation.
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11/6/2008  2:21 PM
Posted by Vmart:
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I know D'Antoni is a stupid moron but.............I'm pretty sure after coaching Nash for a few years he has an idea of how important the PG is. I'm also pretty sure that if he thought Duhon was the PG of the future and the guard they HAD TO HAVE he would have been signed for more than 2 years. Duhon was signed to be a stopgap. A guy that can come in, move the ball, hustle, have an understanding of winning and not take 100 shots. He's doing all of the above. Now after 2 years he will either be gone or have proven himself well enough to be a back up PG/mentor when the PG of the future is brought in.

The PG of the future for us was not available so our front office did not try to con us by going after some "big name" that wasn't going to help us win. They found a stopgap that would be solid, accept a contract under 3 years and would hustle on the floor. What is the problem? After all the mess the past few years how could anyone in their right mind be pining for Marbury?

Marbury 79-167 .321(last 3 years)
Duhon 2-2 as a Knick


I don't buy into that. They gave Duhon a contract based on 2010. Once the Knicks are under the cap they can go after the free agent they have and in the process they can spend on resigning Duhon with the Bird rules without really worrying about the cap situation.

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11/6/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

didn't watch the game but looking at this season's box scores, opposing pg's are almost putting up triple doubles on him...

he's been guarding 2s and 3s when the knicks go small, which is pretty often. his defense there has been equally mediocre though so far.
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11/6/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
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didn't watch the game but looking at this season's box scores, opposing pg's are almost putting up triple doubles on him...

he's been guarding 2s and 3s when the knicks go small, which is pretty often. his defense there has been equally mediocre though so far.

When it's Duhon, Nate and Jamal he is almost always guarding the 3. I think his defense has been up and down. At best solid when I've paid attention and at times atrocious. I will say that down the stretch last night, his offensive rebound was one of the keys to the victory.
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11/6/2008  2:31 PM
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didn't watch the game but looking at this season's box scores, opposing pg's are almost putting up triple doubles on him...

he's been guarding 2s and 3s when the knicks go small, which is pretty often. his defense there has been equally mediocre though so far.

When it's Duhon, Nate and Jamal he is almost always guarding the 3. I think his defense has been up and down. At best solid when I've paid attention and at times atrocious. I will say that down the stretch last night, his offensive rebound was one of the keys to the victory.

he hit a couple key jumpers too & had a nice no look dish on a fastbreak to Chandler that was probably the highlight play of the game... in fact, it was the highlight play of the game... i don't view Duhon as the main problem on this team... i view our complete lack of frontcourt defense & no shotblocking presence as the main problems right now... Curry's complete lack of conditioning is the other... seems like the Marbury situation has handled itself & nothing's gonna change unless someone gets injured, so i'm fine w/that now as well.
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11/6/2008  2:38 PM
duhon's OK for the role he's in, nothing special. i'm just glad isiah wasn't in charge of that move. one of the infuriating things about him was how he hyped up every acquisition - jeffries would be on the all-NBA defensive team, would have taken frye #1 overall, nate 3 inches from being a #1 pick, god it goes on. if he signed duhon, we'd be hearing, well the all-NBA defensive team thing again, maybe all-star talk after a good preseason game. ugh.
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11/6/2008  2:44 PM
if Isiah had made the call i have a feeling Fred Jones woulda been extended to the full MLE.
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