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11/4/2008  12:37 AM
I want to see how the #3 chemical ink on his head, affects his brain as suggested yesterday on another post?

'This is one clev'a, slick moth'a. Nev'a gets cought!

I can just see the meeting between him and Walsh and how it went down. Walsh is hypnotized by the manipulative powers of Marbury and put to subconscious sleep and given instructions to say 'I'm gonna see if I can get D'Antoni to give Marbury another chance. We might even consider extending Marbury's contract another five years'.


I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/4/2008  12:41 AM
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Damn didn't I see that guy in Return of the Jedi

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11/4/2008  12:49 AM
I'll never trust this' team again.
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11/4/2008  12:52 AM
Posted by McK1:
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throw the jaded presumptions and expectations of Steph out and it is clear D'Antoni is the one who failed the teams and fans in this particular situation.

I don't see it that way at all. Best I could tell, most fans wanted Steph gone before the season started, as did the team. Remember the reports that the teammates were visibly uncomfortable when he arrived?

Walsh failed to rid the team of him, and now he's failing to back his coach's decision to do the closest thing to it. Walsh is the one with the rule that he doesn't do buyouts - a rule that is inappropriate here - and Steph, the coach and the fans are held hostage by it.

One thing I thought for sure was that Walsh wasn't a guy who'd preside over a circus, but then I remembered that he's the one who presided over the meelee in Auburn Hills, and he let mismatched personalities fester far longer than he ought in Indy.

The coach and teammates don't want Steph, but Walsh is too stuck in his was to free the club from the ties that bind them - Isiah included. We are on Walsh time now, so sit back and fester.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-04-2008 12:13 AM]

I don't buy the premise everybody wants him gone. Crawford Q and Malik probably. Guys like Chandler and Nate looked very comfortable out there with Steph this preseason. Even Duhon looked passable playing with Steph.

Mike is a fool for taking the job if he hated the thought of coaching Steph that much. He compounded it further by running him all tc and pre-season in the spot he ran him.

No team in the NCAA's let alone the League respects or fears a Duhon Crawford Mardy Nate Roberson backcourt rotation. You can cheat off those guys all day and win that gamble 70% of the time. Steph's presence at the least keeps defense honest and if he isn't in me-bury mode makes the game a whole lot easier for everyone else.

Walsh may have been asleep at the wheel with this whole Steph thing and now he is talking like he is shocked by what has transpired.

Then again when NY got blown out in the pre-season his was response to the media was "we played like ****!" and not be patient we're evaluating whose a part of the future

Something tells me MDA didn't get 6 mill a year to throw a season away proving whose boss to Steph and those 2 aren't on the same page regarding no. 3






[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2008 12:35 AM]

I'm not going to argue with you if when I say his teammates wanted him gone it means down to every last man. But I do think the locker room would have breathed a collective sigh of relief if he never showed up. His time was sooo up here, I think David Stern, misterearl and the entire league would have.

Whether Marbury is better than our other guards is irrelevant if his presence sucks the esprit de corps from the team.

As for the agreements between Walsh and D'antoni...I have no freakin' idea.


[Edited by - blueseats on 11-04-2008 01:16 AM]
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11/4/2008  1:10 AM
how many head coaches have we gone through already that for some reason or another Marbs couldn't succeed with? we had Lenny Wilkens, probably the most laid back individual on the face of this Earth here & still Isiah & Marbs found a way to not make that work... we had Larry Brown, a guy that Marbs was supposedly pumped & excited to play for coming here & those 2 found a way to get on each other's nerves & disrupt the team on their way to a franchise low in wins that year... we had the guy who was a father figure to Marbs & brought him to NY to begin with in Isiah try to coach him & that was about as big of a disaster as it can get... u can't say it's entirely Marbury's fault but to seriously sit there & believe that Marbs came in this season w/some "clean slate" as it were is pretty ridiculous... why would any sane thinking individual believe that MDA would be any different when it came to Marbs? the guy obviously knows what Marbs is all about & wants him outta here for the good of the franchise... really guys, wake up to reality... there are absolutely NO positives to be gained by playing Marbury this year... N-U-N... NONE! the sooner he's gone the sooner we can get back to focusing on other issues that clearly need to be addressed on this team & slowly get this franchise back to respectability.
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11/4/2008  4:40 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by eViL:


Damn didn't I see that guy in Return of the Jedi


brilliant!
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11/4/2008  4:54 AM
I thought after the larry brown season that lb, isiah and marbury should all be fired. they all were a blight on the fanchise. isiah and marbury did nothing after that point to change my feelings.

I would have been fine to go this season with marbury a reserve and then cut him loose finally after his contract runs out. but if we're not going to use him on the court, then cut him loose now.

get your collective s**ts together MDA & dwalsh and get this thing done.
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11/4/2008  6:47 AM
Maybe D'Antoni should write, "All Alone" on his sneakers.
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11/4/2008  7:30 AM
What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?
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11/4/2008  7:34 AM
some of u just refuse to get it... doesn't matter who's fault it is... he needs to go for the good of this franchise.
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11/4/2008  8:07 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by McK1:
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throw the jaded presumptions and expectations of Steph out and it is clear D'Antoni is the one who failed the teams and fans in this particular situation.

I don't see it that way at all. Best I could tell, most fans wanted Steph gone before the season started, as did the team. Remember the reports that the teammates were visibly uncomfortable when he arrived?

Walsh failed to rid the team of him, and now he's failing to back his coach's decision to do the closest thing to it. Walsh is the one with the rule that he doesn't do buyouts - a rule that is inappropriate here - and Steph, the coach and the fans are held hostage by it.

One thing I thought for sure was that Walsh wasn't a guy who'd preside over a circus, but then I remembered that he's the one who presided over the meelee in Auburn Hills, and he let mismatched personalities fester far longer than he ought in Indy.

The coach and teammates don't want Steph, but Walsh is too stuck in his was to free the club from the ties that bind them - Isiah included. We are on Walsh time now, so sit back and fester.

[Edited by - blueseats on 11-04-2008 12:13 AM]

I don't buy the premise everybody wants him gone. Crawford Q and Malik probably. Guys like Chandler and Nate looked very comfortable out there with Steph this preseason. Even Duhon looked passable playing with Steph.

Mike is a fool for taking the job if he hated the thought of coaching Steph that much. He compounded it further by running him all tc and pre-season in the spot he ran him.

No team in the NCAA's let alone the League respects or fears a Duhon Crawford Mardy Nate Roberson backcourt rotation. You can cheat off those guys all day and win that gamble 70% of the time. Steph's presence at the least keeps defense honest and if he isn't in me-bury mode makes the game a whole lot easier for everyone else.

Walsh may have been asleep at the wheel with this whole Steph thing and now he is talking like he is shocked by what has transpired.

Then again when NY got blown out in the pre-season his was response to the media was "we played like ****!" and not be patient we're evaluating whose a part of the future

Something tells me MDA didn't get 6 mill a year to throw a season away proving whose boss to Steph and those 2 aren't on the same page regarding no. 3






[Edited by - McK1 on 04-11-2008 12:35 AM]

I'm not going to argue with you if when I say his teammates wanted him gone it means down to every last man. But I do think the locker room would have breathed a collective sigh of relief if he never showed up. His time was sooo up here, I think David Stern, misterearl and the entire league would have.

Whether Marbury is better than our other guards is irrelevant if his presence sucks the esprit de corps from the team.

As for the agreements between Walsh and D'antoni...I have no freakin' idea.


[Edited by - blueseats on 11-04-2008 01:16 AM]

I actually couldn't make sense of this mess- but, I think you're right blue.

And the really neat thing I see is D'Antoni would rather play less talented people, but those who give effort and are in it for the long term.

I believe it was LB who said Marbury lacked brain power on the court to do the right things.

Maybe D'Antoni sees the same thing.

Either way, kudos to D'Antoni for making the hard decision and taking a stand. That is leadership.
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11/4/2008  8:15 AM
"for the good of the franchise"

the only person involved with the franchise that you can remove tomorrow and see the black cloud dissipate ain't selling the team.

They didn't get rid of Steph when he was actually bringing the team down. Matter of fact most of you supported Steph (not you blue we were on the same side back then about his value to the franchise) heavily during those times. Now the buyers remourse is blinding most to the fact that he is an asset right now.

teams likely to call IMO

* Orlando

Otis Smith is a gambler. look at the contract he gave Lewis.

how long do you think the Magic are going to pretend they can get to the next level with Jameer running point?

* Portland

Brandon Roy can't wear both hats all season if they expect to make the play-offs. A ha;f year rental of Marbury may be an option they explore.

* GS

They definitely have play-off aspirations and they are playing Jax literally all game just to have somebody on the floor who can make plays for others.
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11/4/2008  8:17 AM
A couple of things with this:

Are Walsh and DAntoni really "at odds" or is that media garbage?

What do the Knicks ever expect to get in return for a 22M dollar deal? Other than 22M worth of someone else's malcontents. If such a deal happened, we get crap back, multiple players, and Donnie "I don't do Buyouts" would have to waive 1 or 2 players to get such a deal done.

Why on earth was this not handled early in the summer where any other rational franchise would have done it?


...The only way you trade Marbury is if a team way under the cap wants to unload a 7M-8M per year player, with multiple years remaining, and can absorb the rest of Marbury's salary. Why that player would be good - you know anything other than a Darko - is confusing at best.


In the end it's yet another sad chapter surrounding Marbury and for the first time in his career it has absolutely nothing to do with him. Now it's the coach and GM (supposedly) disagreeing with how to handle a player.


You know we had a real opportunity to close out two bad chapters in Knick history this summer. Marbury for nothing - there is no harm in dumping a player in his final year when you want nothing to do with him and he realistically cannot help you win enough to warrant keeping him ---- and the Zach and Clippers deal where the final word on that is the Clippers apparently rescinded their 1st round pick demands, Walsh somehow was not informed of this, and the Knicks never called back and the Clipps went with Camby.


You add in an injured and questionable Gallo - and a relatively crappy player in Duhon...


....and you wonder how we could have already potentially made four mistakes --- two of which that ultimately would have had us on a much better path.

Instead we have now wasted time and opportunity and this may reverberate for as much as a full season --- putting us a full season behind in our much desired rebuild.

Kinda leaving a sour taste in my mouth but it can take up to 3 years to turn a team around so Walsh still has time to make good on his early mistakes. Also as I said how much of the supposed friction is true and how much is the media hoping it's true.

Regardless it's tough to watch this play out in a way that ultimately did not have to happen and likely in everyone's hindsight should have been handled over the summer.
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11/4/2008  9:03 AM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:

What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?

there's nothing on the apparent surface that marbury did this year.

i'm assuming that d'antoni is reacting based on a combination of:
• his past exposure to marbury in phoenix
• the positive responses of phoenix players to marbury’s departure
• his knowledge, like all nba people and fans have, of marbury's reputation here over the last few yearss
• his observations of marbury's impact on his current teammates
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11/4/2008  9:32 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by EWING33BXNY:

What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?

there's nothing on the apparent surface that marbury did this year.

i'm assuming that d'antoni is reacting based on a combination of:
• his past exposure to marbury in phoenix
• the positive responses of phoenix players to marbury’s departure
• his knowledge, like all nba people and fans have, of marbury's reputation here over the last few yearss
• his observations of marbury's impact on his current teammates

So Big Snacks, Zach, and everyone else has a CLEAN SLATE but not Marbury? A move like this even caught Walsh by surprise. This is just more personal than business. If that is the case what makes him any better than IT? Just for the simple reason he is standing his ground? Well so is Marbury but again he is the culprit for standing his ground. His past has him in trouble this year, but Zach has been the perfect citizen during his tenure in the league? This just doesn't make sense from a basketball stand point. If he is really moving on then the roster would have to be blown to pieces. All I want to see is the best we have on the court and that is not happening! All we have in D'Antoni is a younger LB.
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What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?

there's nothing on the apparent surface that marbury did this year.

i'm assuming that d'antoni is reacting based on a combination of:
• his past exposure to marbury in phoenix
• the positive responses of phoenix players to marbury’s departure
• his knowledge, like all nba people and fans have, of marbury's reputation here over the last few yearss
• his observations of marbury's impact on his current teammates

So Big Snacks, Zach, and everyone else has a CLEAN SLATE but not Marbury? A move like this even caught Walsh by surprise. This is just more personal than business. If that is the case what makes him any better than IT? Just for the simple reason he is standing his ground? Well so is Marbury but again he is the culprit for standing his ground. His past has him in trouble this year, but Zach has been the perfect citizen during his tenure in the league? This just doesn't make sense from a basketball stand point. If he is really moving on then the roster would have to be blown to pieces. All I want to see is the best we have on the court and that is not happening! All we have in D'Antoni is a younger LB.

nobody else on the roster appears to be universally disliked like marbury. nor disliked by all his former coaches. steph has made his bed by alienating a long list of former and current teammates, coaches and gm's.
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11/4/2008  9:37 AM
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"for the good of the franchise"

the only person involved with the franchise that you can remove tomorrow and see the black cloud dissipate ain't selling the team.

They didn't get rid of Steph when he was actually bringing the team down. Matter of fact most of you supported Steph (not you blue we were on the same side back then about his value to the franchise) heavily during those times. Now the buyers remourse is blinding most to the fact that he is an asset right now.

teams likely to call IMO

* Orlando

Otis Smith is a gambler. look at the contract he gave Lewis.

how long do you think the Magic are going to pretend they can get to the next level with Jameer running point?

* Portland

Brandon Roy can't wear both hats all season if they expect to make the play-offs. A ha;f year rental of Marbury may be an option they explore.

* GS

They definitely have play-off aspirations and they are playing Jax literally all game just to have somebody on the floor who can make plays for others.

ur kidding me right? Jameer Nelson has already helped lead that team farther than Steph will ever be able to, both because of the way he clicks w/their team & how he plays his role... Steph is not gonna lead no Magic team anywhere close to any championships, i'll tell u that right now, Dwight Howard or no Dwight Howard... Steph had Amare freakin' Stoudamire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson & Penny Hardaway back when Steph was in his prime as an All NBA 3rd team selection no less & still they got eliminated in the 1st round... in fact, the Suns missed out on the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years Marbury was over there & yet u somehow feel he's got what it takes at this stage in his career to lead the Magic to the next level in his walk year serving as a pure stopgap solution while trying to get to know brand new teammates & a brand new system? who's being blind here dude?

Portland? u really think they want anything at all to do w/a lockerroom cancer like Marbury? Wasn't Roy the guy who campaigned management to get rid of Zach for those same reasons? yeah, they'll want Marbs... come on bro.

Marbs wouldn't make an ounce of difference on that GS team, but i'll entertain that idea... who could we possibly get back in a trade to even out the dollars? Al Harrington, Adonal Foyle & Ronnie Turiaf, who they just signed to a longterm MLE contract & would go completely against any plan to get under the cap in 2010? how does that make sense for the Knicks' franchise?

really, the only solution is to buy this guy out & send him on his way.
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11/4/2008  9:39 AM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:

So Big Snacks, Zach, and everyone else has a CLEAN SLATE but not Marbury?

no, they all have longterm contracts... Marbury doesn't... none of them are desirable to hold onto but buying out longterm contracts is not ever an option for any team i don't care how desperate they are to unload a guy.
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Yeah, the difference is the last 3 or four years Marbury has always played the good solider coming to a season and Blow up between games 5-16 in some way.

The problem with Mike D is he already nows Marbury, so it's like basically a convic showing up to the same judge for two different cases.
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by EWING33BXNY:

What has MARBURY done DURING the D'ANTONI/WALSH regime that he is the reason for all thats going wrong. He had no say in the benching. God forbid he came into the CLEAN SLATE ERA as a good soldier and now everything is his fault.

SO, did Marbury ask for the DNP's and the INACTIVE's or was that a decision that D'Antoni made and its all MARBURY's fault?

there's nothing on the apparent surface that marbury did this year.

i'm assuming that d'antoni is reacting based on a combination of:
• his past exposure to marbury in phoenix
• the positive responses of phoenix players to marbury’s departure
• his knowledge, like all nba people and fans have, of marbury's reputation here over the last few yearss
• his observations of marbury's impact on his current teammates

So Big Snacks, Zach, and everyone else has a CLEAN SLATE but not Marbury? A move like this even caught Walsh by surprise. This is just more personal than business. If that is the case what makes him any better than IT? Just for the simple reason he is standing his ground? Well so is Marbury but again he is the culprit for standing his ground. His past has him in trouble this year, but Zach has been the perfect citizen during his tenure in the league? This just doesn't make sense from a basketball stand point. If he is really moving on then the roster would have to be blown to pieces. All I want to see is the best we have on the court and that is not happening! All we have in D'Antoni is a younger LB.

nobody else on the roster appears to be universally disliked like marbury. nor disliked by all his former coaches. steph has made his bed by alienating a long list of former and current teammates, coaches and gm's.

Being liked has nothing to do with his actions on the court. When he starts bringing the drama THIS YEAR, then lets begin to ALIENATE him. At this time D'Antoni has no reason NOT to put him on the court. His past transgressions have nothing to do with a CLEAN SLATE. Hell, even Walsh had the idea he was going to get some minutes.
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