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EWING33BXNY
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10/30/2008  7:43 AM
Posted by oohah:

Benching Marbury like that makes no sense. If you are going to do that then release him.

I am no fan of Marbury, but during that drought we had at the end we could have used a player that can penetrate and draw fouls. He and Robinson are the only ones who can do that and Marbury is far better at it.

In the fourth quarter Duhon couldn't get past the 3 point line and Crawford seemed to be allergic to lane paint.

This is the result of someone's personal grudge, or something must have happened behind closed doors that we are not aware of because:

1) Marbury shows up in great shape.
2) After he is informed he will be benched in a way that was determined before players earned their spots, he dealt with it decently in public.
3) He plays very well during the preseason and seemed to show good camaraderie with Duhon even after he lost his spot to him.
4) We can use his skill set.

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I would hope that grudges are not put above the team winning. It is very clear to me that Marbury is a far superior player to Duhon. Keeping Marbury on the bench like that will foster a toxic atmosphere -- again. It was no mistake that Miami came back, and vs. a better team we'll probably pay for this kind of stuff.


oohah

You summed it up very nicely! I am a BIG MARBURY fan and you took the words right out of my mouth. I think this was not sending a message but more of a F*&K YOU to Marbury and his fans (the few of us left) in NY. He has been a good soldier and deserved to be treated better than what happened last night. It clearly showed that this was more personal than professional. If MD was professional he should have treated Marbury the way he treated Curry with the lack of minutes in the preseason. This didn't even appear to be BUSINESS either! The way he handle this was TASTELESS and lack the CLASS that everyone claims that D'Antoni has! I'm finding it very hard to be excited about the win last night. Honestly, Miami won how many games last year?

HINT: Less than the KNICKS last year!

DISGUSTING!!
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10/30/2008  7:56 AM
Posted by EWING33BXNY:
Posted by oohah:

Benching Marbury like that makes no sense. If you are going to do that then release him.

I am no fan of Marbury, but during that drought we had at the end we could have used a player that can penetrate and draw fouls. He and Robinson are the only ones who can do that and Marbury is far better at it.

In the fourth quarter Duhon couldn't get past the 3 point line and Crawford seemed to be allergic to lane paint.

This is the result of someone's personal grudge, or something must have happened behind closed doors that we are not aware of because:

1) Marbury shows up in great shape.
2) After he is informed he will be benched in a way that was determined before players earned their spots, he dealt with it decently in public.
3) He plays very well during the preseason and seemed to show good camaraderie with Duhon even after he lost his spot to him.
4) We can use his skill set.

***

I would hope that grudges are not put above the team winning. It is very clear to me that Marbury is a far superior player to Duhon. Keeping Marbury on the bench like that will foster a toxic atmosphere -- again. It was no mistake that Miami came back, and vs. a better team we'll probably pay for this kind of stuff.


oohah

You summed it up very nicely! I am a BIG MARBURY fan and you took the words right out of my mouth. I think this was not sending a message but more of a F*&K YOU to Marbury and his fans (the few of us left) in NY. He has been a good soldier and deserved to be treated better than what happened last night. It clearly showed that this was more personal than professional. If MD was professional he should have treated Marbury the way he treated Curry with the lack of minutes in the preseason. This didn't even appear to be BUSINESS either! The way he handle this was TASTELESS and lack the CLASS that everyone claims that D'Antoni has! I'm finding it very hard to be excited about the win last night. Honestly, Miami won how many games last year?

HINT: Less than the KNICKS last year!

DISGUSTING!!
well.. I am somewhere in the middle. Agree with oohah. There is ZERO reason that Mardy should be playing over Marbury. NONE. I saw MikeD's press conference and after saying "winning the game is paramount" he said the team was going in a different direction. What direction is that? I am 100% behind the Curry benching. But Marbury came into shape and kept his mouth shut. Worst thing he said was he thought he was a starter but followed that with he will be happy with whatever coach asks him.

Why does everyone get a clean slate and the best guys play except Marbury?

Now EWING33BXNY, MArbury has NOT been a good soldier. He's been a malcontent me first player. He's showed up his teammates acted like a baby.

What is Marbury supposed to do? If your Marbury what do you do? Lets just say you want to put all the BS behind you so you just show up in great shape and put everything else in the past. Your a basketball player and just want to play but cant crack the rotation because of Mardy Collins right now.

Let him go.

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10/30/2008  8:05 AM
on a side note is Malik the future? OK he only logged 7 minutes but he got in the game a couple times.
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10/30/2008  8:09 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Posted by EWING33BXNY:


You summed it up very nicely! I am a BIG MARBURY fan and you took the words right out of my mouth. I think this was not sending a message but more of a F*&K YOU to Marbury and his fans (the few of us left) in NY. He has been a good soldier and deserved to be treated better than what happened last night. It clearly showed that this was more personal than professional. If MD was professional he should have treated Marbury the way he treated Curry with the lack of minutes in the preseason. This didn't even appear to be BUSINESS either! The way he handle this was TASTELESS and lack the CLASS that everyone claims that D'Antoni has! I'm finding it very hard to be excited about the win last night. Honestly, Miami won how many games last year?

HINT: Less than the KNICKS last year!

DISGUSTING!!
well.. I am somewhere in the middle. Agree with oohah. There is ZERO reason that Mardy should be playing over Marbury. NONE. I saw MikeD's press conference and after saying "winning the game is paramount" he said the team was going in a different direction. What direction is that? I am 100% behind the Curry benching. But Marbury came into shape and kept his mouth shut. Worst thing he said was he thought he was a starter but followed that with he will be happy with whatever coach asks him.

Why does everyone get a clean slate and the best guys play except Marbury?

Now EWING33BXNY, MArbury has NOT been a good soldier. He's been a malcontent me first player. He's showed up his teammates acted like a baby.

What is Marbury supposed to do? If your Marbury what do you do? Lets just say you want to put all the BS behind you so you just show up in great shape and put everything else in the past. Your a basketball player and just want to play but cant crack the rotation because of Mardy Collins right now.

Let him go.

FISHMIKE:

My argument is for the fact that he has been a good soldier under the "CLEAN SLATE REGIME". IF he would have done something to warrant this under D'Antoni and Walsh then yes I would have just STFU and enjoyed the win like everyone else. Right now, I just can't do it. One more thing, are you trying to say that he can't crack the rotation because Mardy is better than him? If you are then I have to disagree with you. Collins can't offer HALF of what Marbury can do to help this team. As far as SKILLS go MARBURY is the BEST GUARD on this team. Lets just showcase him and use him to our advantage until someone else wants to trade for his expiring contract.
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10/30/2008  8:36 AM
no... I think Mardy sucks.

Who knows what has been said and what hasnt been said to be fair though. We assume Marbury has been a good soldier but its no secret a lot of people on that team hate his guys.

Really we have to see how it plays out. The Knicks future is not with Marbury and DAntoni eluded to the fact that winning now isnt a priority
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10/30/2008  8:39 AM
Posted by fishmike:

no... I think Mardy sucks.

Who knows what has been said and what hasnt been said to be fair though. We assume Marbury has been a good soldier but its no secret a lot of people on that team hate his guys.

Really we have to see how it plays out. The Knicks future is not with Marbury and DAntoni eluded to the fact that winning now isnt a priority

So what if he is going to be gone soon at least use him. With Marbury playing at a high skill-level this gives us a better chance at winning. It would have been real nice to keep the comfortable lead we had last night.

Winning now is not a priority but it's a real confidence builder. Who really wants to play knowing that WINNING is not a PRIORITY.



[Edited by - EWING33BXNY on 10-30-2008 08:41 AM]

[Edited by - EWING33BXNY on 10-30-2008 08:45 AM]
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10/30/2008  8:48 AM
“One thing as a coach, I just want my players to know that I trust you, I believe in you,” D’Antoni said. “I’m going to pick who I like. They will perform and go, and I’ll suffer with them and I’ll live with them. And the other guys will try to kill me.”

I think this is telling. He said he felt bad for Marbury in his press conference and said if he were Steph he would be pissed as hell. That being said Marbury isnt in the future, isnt a Mike D guy therefore isnt in the rotation. He want to win with Mardy/Nate/Duhon/Crawful and he's going to stick by them. Is what it is
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10/30/2008  9:00 AM
Posted by fishmike:
“One thing as a coach, I just want my players to know that I trust you, I believe in you,” D’Antoni said. “I’m going to pick who I like. They will perform and go, and I’ll suffer with them and I’ll live with them. And the other guys will try to kill me.”

I think this is telling. He said he felt bad for Marbury in his press conference and said if he were Steph he would be pissed as hell. That being said Marbury isnt in the future, isnt a Mike D guy therefore isnt in the rotation. He want to win with Mardy/Nate/Duhon/Crawful and he's going to stick by them. Is what it is

Until Dolan pulls it out from under him. The problem with D'Antoni he actually believes that he has a 3 year project. He will learn soon enough whose team it really is. If Dolan doesn't like you... well just ask Larry.
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10/30/2008  9:04 AM
I think this was not sending a message but more of a F*&K YOU to Marbury

u seriously don't think the guy deserves this after the way he's conducted himself since he got here? i dunno if MDA is doing this maliciously (that's something i would expect from Isiah but not MDA)... i think he doesn't want Steph in the rotation cuz he believes he'll be able to form better team chemistry w/the one he went w/tonight... i don't see anything wrong w/that... everyone knows Marbs is a more talented player than Mardy but it's not about that... D'Antoni's main goal is to allow guys to grow into their roles & improve the overall team chemistry this season, i think that much is pretty obvious... Marbs just has to accept the fact that he's now the odd man out... if he'd have been a good soldier & teammate since he got here things would be different but D'Antoni already has experience w/Marbs so he knows exactly what he's gonna get from him... my guess is he's opting to go the route w/o him in his longterm plans, which i don't know why anyone would have a problem w/it personally.

& Malik only got playing time because Gallo & Jefferies aren't fully ready for extended minutes yet & Curry's a fat blob who got a sore knee from walking into the lockerroom at halftime... what's that got to do w/Marbs not playing tonight?
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10/30/2008  9:15 AM
W'Altoni was suppose to be a move away from the soap opera.

To play Steph all preseason then DNP him the first game is reminiscent of how the Knicks handled the Brown firing. Silly and unprofessional

Deactivate him till you can trade him like Philly did with Iverson and the Pacers did with Artest
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10/30/2008  9:25 AM
The Knicks are between a rock and a hard place and Marbury put them there. All this sympathy leaves out one thing...it's HIS fault.

The only players I feel bad for in this situation are the guys that are actually playing. The guys that are out there busting their asses and get a small blurb that the Knicks actually won buried in the middle of another Marbury dissertation from the hacks that cover this team.

Steph doesn't deserve a cookie for being a professional about his situation THIS year. This argument of "he's been a good soldier and hasn't done anything wrong" is bull****. It's like the ******* parent who rewards their kid for doing their homework. You're a gotdamn grown man, nevermind someone's father...you're SUPPOSED to show up to camp in shape. You're SUPPOSED to be a good teammate. You're SUPPOSED to let the coach do HIS job.

If he hadn't been an ******* every other year, he wouldn't be in this situation. His expiring would have been extremely valuable if he was what his career stats say he is. He'd have been somewhere else right now playing 30 minutes per. Instead, he's made a name for himself as a coach killing, locker room enigma with maturity problems...at 31 for goodness sakes.

This is just the chickens coming home to roost. All this coddling is what's wrong with the NBA. The only leverage a coach has is minutes. Had a coach had the balls to use that leverage on Steph years ago, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation now. You think players would have had **** to say to Red about his minutes? Riles? Van Gundy? As long as he gets paid on the 1st and 15th, the Knicks don't owe him ****.
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10/30/2008  9:25 AM
Basketball-wise, I dont understand how anyone can be a marbury fan. I'm a Knick fan. If Marbury were on some other team would you still be a marbury fan? What has Marbury done to deserve fans of his own?
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10/30/2008  9:40 AM
Posted by kam77:

Basketball-wise, I dont understand how anyone can be a marbury fan. I'm a Knick fan. If Marbury were on some other team would you still be a marbury fan? What has Marbury done to deserve fans of his own?

Kam77:
I'm a KNICKS fan from way back in the day but I have been a MARBURY fan as well. When he was on other teams I always rooted for him no matter what. Yeah, his behavior has been horrible over the years. But the whole CLEAN SLATE thing is what threw me off as well as playing him during the pre-season. That was not cool, just my OPINION.

nysportsfan11:
I never reward my kids for just doing their homework. I understand where you are coming from with that analogy but I just think D'Antoni was leading him on all pre-season. I believe you have more insight into the situation than I do, but again, that is just my OPINION.
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10/30/2008  9:50 AM
Marbury handled it well THIS GAME. A few weeks ago he was starting his act but he likely is getting advised to play the role and behave. HE left and came back into the locker room after the game and was just fine.

He is not in the plan and should be let go but to some effect I understand its bad business to pay a player 20 large and have him play for another team. If Steph wants out he can negotiate a payout.

Compromise they call it. Until then he practices hard and stays ready to do what the team asks him.

Since he has flat out said nothing less than his contract value then he really needs to fulfil all aspects of his contract with a smile.

MDA has no agenda with him, and he has enough juice to not have to play him if he don't want to.

Bottom line was the Knicks won the game.

Steph has done nothing to earn respect or consideration from this franchise that would warrent special treatment from a new coach. MDA likely saw Craw was getting it done and went with him.
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10/30/2008  10:01 AM
berman crying over poor marbury... makes my morning:

"Not sure exactly what Stephon Marbury did this preseason to deserve what he got tonight - which was getting humiliated in his hometown by a supposed player's coach Mike D'Antoni.

Marbury got in the best shape of his career, he had a sharp preseason, he accepted his backup role to a career backup in Chris Duhon. But it wasn't good enough for D'Antoni. Maybe D'Antoni bought his son a pair of Starburys that didn't fit right."
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10/30/2008  10:07 AM
deactivate Steph and then the press has no choice but to focus on the rest of the team.

bench him and you make him the talk of the town. not so much as being a martyr but moreso because it defies any sound logic. You don't want him around then de-activate him.

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10/30/2008  10:17 AM
Posted by McK1:

deactivate Steph and then the press has no choice but to focus on the rest of the team.

bench him and you make him the talk of the town. not so much as being a martyr but moreso because it defies any sound logic. You don't want him around then de-activate him.

AMEN!
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10/30/2008  10:31 AM
1) Can anyone tell me why Marbury was played in the Pre-season then benched? Was he benched on basketball merits?

2) Can anyone tell me how winning is paramount when we have 1 guard left who can penetrate with Marbury benched and he is 4'6"?

3) Can anyone tell me how winning is paramount when coaches go out of their way to humiliate players and create drama? Does D'Antoni realize he is starting a fire that can easily turn into an inferno that can consume yet another season?

4) I don't feel sorry for Marbury. I feel sorry for us. Yet another season when the coach as other agendas than winning games.

5) Trust me, the first time Crawford goes stone cold, Duhon is shown to be a very un-dynamic PG who can't get to the basket whose prefered shot is to jack it from 5 feet behind the 3 point line, the press and fans will begin to turn on D'Antoni, and he has shown he doesn't handle press criticism well in podunk-town Phoenix.

6) Trust me, the press buzzards are sharpening their claws!

7) As possibly the Nostradamus of UK put in his sig: "Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!"

oohah

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10/30/2008  10:48 AM
Posted by McK1:

deactivate Steph and then the press has no choice but to focus on the rest of the team.

bench him and you make him the talk of the town. not so much as being a martyr but moreso because it defies any sound logic. You don't want him around then de-activate him.

I stand by what I said yesterday. Mickey Mouse run organization. The guy should have been released before training camp. Mike doesn't get NYC, this issue won't go away. Reporters are drawn to the guy, he is the highest paid player on the team. Berman will be the first of many articles about Marbury's treatment when things begin to go south with this team. There is no whining about media coverage in NYC.
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10/30/2008  10:58 AM
The Answer Man Channels The No-Nonsense Spirit of Red Auerbach

Q. oohah - Can anyone tell me why Marbury was played in the Pre-season then benched?

A. Everybody plays in the pre season

Q. Was he benched on basketball merits?

A. Of course not. He was benched for getting a tat on his dome.

Q. oohah - Can anyone tell me how winning is paramount when we have 1 guard left who can penetrate with Marbury benched and he is 4'6"?

A. Dude, winning is not a stat chart. It is not a popularity contest. Winning is a state of mind based on sacrifice, genuine affection for your running buddies and sharing the rock with passion.

Q. oohah - Does D'Antoni realize he is starting a fire that can easily turn into an inferno that can consume yet another season?

A. No. Coach Dan is simply making tough decisions with the demeanor of any effective boss. It is not easy.

oohah - Trust me, the first time Crawford goes stone cold, Duhon is shown to be a very un-dynamic PG who can't get to the basket whose prefered shot is to jack it from 5 feet behind the 3 point line, the press and fans will begin to turn on D'Antoni.

A. You are over-worried about a lot of inevitable mini events oohah. Don't feel sorry for Marbury. Pity the fool who cares more about his individualism over team.

oohah - Trust me, the press buzzards are sharpening their claws!"

A. You really think D'Antoni's goal is to be liked by the players, press or even the fans? His goal is to change the culture one piece at a time. Watch and learn.



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