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Does Mike D'Antoni Know Something We Don't About Coaching?
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nixluva
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10/21/2008  11:04 PM
MDA is all about tough love. He knows that PT is the ultimate punishment and he uses it. No hard work in Practice, no PT in real games.
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10/21/2008  11:21 PM
I think he is a coach who has the luxury of not being committed to contracts and that makes a huge difference.
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10/22/2008  12:44 AM
Post Game

("Oh Snap", said The Answer Man)

(D'Antoni ... indicated that Curry had not earned the playing time)

“(Curry) is going to have to play better than what he’s shown me,” D’Antoni said. “He is going to have to pick it up. He is going to have to pick up his training. I’m going to start settling into rotations, and it could be that way.

“The door is never closed, but at the same time we’re not going to lower anything that we do down to anybody. They’re going to have to come up to us. And if they want to play, then I think they know where they got to go.”

- NYT

D'Antoni ain't playin'

and neither is Eddy Curry

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-22-2008 12:46 AM]
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10/22/2008  12:45 AM
Are anyone's quotation marks showing up as "�" or is that just me?
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10/22/2008  12:50 AM
Jeopardy

"Eddy Curry for $400 Pat..."

A. D'Antoni: "And if they want to play, then I think they know where they got to go."

Q. Where is the stairmaster?
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10/22/2008  12:51 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Post Game

("Oh Snap", said The Answer Man)

(D'Antoni ... indicated that Curry had not earned the playing time)

“(Curry) is going to have to play better than what he’s shown me,” D’Antoni said. “He is going to have to pick it up. He is going to have to pick up his training. I’m going to start settling into rotations, and it could be that way.

“The door is never closed, but at the same time we’re not going to lower anything that we do down to anybody. They’re going to have to come up to us. And if they want to play, then I think they know where they got to go.”

- NYT

D'Antoni ain't playin'

and neither is Eddy Curry

[Edited by - misterearl on 10-22-2008 12:46 AM]

I don't think Eddy is all that upset he's not playing. I don't think he'd mind not practicing either.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-22-2008 12:55 AM]
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10/22/2008  8:38 AM
"We played like ****,'' Walsh snarled.

BlueSeats - other than his tenure in Phoenix, and scraps with Marbury, I can't understand why D'Antoni is enamored with Quentin Richardson.

The January 200-9 Man Rotation

1. Duhon/(lead guard to be named later)/ 2. Nate

3. Marbury (for now)/4. I miss Matt Caroll

5. Gallinari/I miss Trevor Ariza

6. Chandler (bright moments)/7. Somewhere, Zach Randolph is smiling

8. David Lee/ 9. Jeffries/("Malik Rose? No, not Malik Rose!")/I miss Nazr Muhammad





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10/22/2008  11:50 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

The reason why I don't care that it's only preseason, is that this season isn't just about Wins and Losses. I'm keying in on the way the players have responded to MDA. The way they're executing what he's taught them. They've shown a lot of growth in a very short span of time. They look much more united and focused than we've every seen this group. This is only the beginning of the process and they already look much better than most believed they'd be.

This isn't to say they're a lock to be world beaters just cuz they look good in a few preseason games. That's not the point. This is about the process of moving this team towards future success and changing the culture here. For that i think MDA deserves the credit, cuz I don't know how many coaches would have had the same result.

Part of my view comes from how highly I respected him as a coach to begin with. For those who think he was a creation of Steve Nash's great play, they still have doubts and don't want to give him his due. I for one think he is a top level coach, the equal of the best coaches in this league. He still has to win the big one, to officially be considered a great coach, but I think he could get there if Walsh can get him the players he needs to improve to that level.

Nix: Things look good and there is reason for optimism. Just be careful. Keep in mind we've never been torpedoed by loss of talent. We always get torpedoed by personality. Let's hope that Dolan stays out of things and D'Antoni is able to continue the momentum by finally forcing these guys to earn their time

I actually think this issue of Personality was a Isiah Thomas created issue. If he had come in and provided discipline for Steph and all of the players, things wouldn't have gotten so out of hand. Despite his failed team building, he actually added some decent talent. He also messed up the roster too, but the scandals and bad attitudes were a direct result of his lack of leadership.

In sharp contrast MDA and Walsh are in full control and as you point out in full synch with each other. This is why i'm optimistic about the future of this team, cuz the ingredients of failure aren't there anymore. Even if Steph or some other player acts up, they don't have the clout or freedom to do any major damage. They'll be cutoff from the rest of the team and rendered impotent. This is a new regime and they do business much differently.

Nix: Without a doubt the lack of leadership was a huge part of it. Coaches couldn't be coaches here. Lenny Wilkens or LB couldn't bench a fat out of shape guy like Eddie. They had to tiptoe around every issue because if they mentioned anything it was an attack on Isiah and the personnel he collected. So again some very good coaches had little chance to behave the way they needed to, to win games. They were shackled because anything that annoyed them about the players was not backed up by management. Now D'Antoni and Walsh are on the same page and have no loyalties. They can do what is right. If D'Antonio wants to bench someone he can. If someone causes a ruckus he can marginalize them. He's in a powerful position and guys are forced to listen. This is a good thing and has a great chance of minimizing any potential problems. The day Walsh hired a coach was the day the culture he changed. Players were put on notice and that is a good thing.

All that being said, I never underestimate thees players. After watching them completely quit during the LB year I am prepared for anything. It's not likely this year, but the potential is there nonetheless.
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10/22/2008  11:51 AM
Earl: I'm with you on the Q thing. I think he's giving Q a shot based on history but I think his minutes will go down drastically if he continues to play the way he is.
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10/22/2008  12:16 PM
The Knicks have a glaring weakness/lack of depth at skill forward and center. Quentin gets the minutes at the 3 by default - until Gallinari shows he can run or until Big Fella Jr develops a shot. Ricahrdson's calf-length therapeutic socks gotta go.

I miss Matt Barnes and Maceo Baston.

IN

Zach Randolph
Chris Duhon
Wilson Chandler
David Lee
Stephon Marbury
Nate Robinson



OUT

Jerome James
Allan Houston
(Jamal Crawford)
Eddy Curry
Anthony Roberson
(Quentin Richardson)
Dan Grunfeld


TBD

(Malik Rose)
(Mardy Collins)
Patrick Ewing
Danilo Gallinari
Jared Jeffries

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10/22/2008  1:56 PM
Nix,

Just personally, I would hesitate to use the word "tough love" to describe D'Antoni's styke, as much as he still hold players "accountable" for their performance.

In that case, every teacher that hands out a poor grade for a poor performance is using "tough love" to make a point.

You're right in that he has shown us a willingness to use a short leash, thus far (which one also has to be careful with, because coaching/teaching/managing is also about maintaining consistency --- so constant roster/role changes are not something you want to see after the pre-season, but given his history we know he usually keeps a solid rotation), but what I meant by that was that he doesn't start off by railing on you, a la boot camp methods.

He starts positive, yet if you don't perform well, he will use playing time as a means to let you know how you are doing, but he tries not to make it personal, yet cleverly uses his personality and his system which most players like to seem likable and earn their respect.

As earl put it nicely, I would call it more of...

"the fine art of custom persuasion."

[Edited by - PresIke on 10-22-2008 1:59 PM]
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10/22/2008  4:29 PM
Donnie Walsh Channels The Wandering Spirit of The Answer Man

OUT

Jerome James - shocks the world and plays 15 minutes on opening night, 6 points/6 rebounds
Allan Houston - Assistant Coach In Waiting, in case of emergency break glass
(Jamal Crawford) - dangled as trade bait with cash and incentives
Eddy Curry - falls further out of favor and deactivated on opening night
Anthony Roberson - barely makes the squad... in Rockford, IL, don't be a stranger
(Quentin Richardson) - the third Chicago homeboy is dealt in a cutdown day deal for...
Dan Grunfeld - takes home nice parting gifts including personalized Knicks home jersey
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10/22/2008  4:31 PM
Posted by misterearl:

The Knicks have a glaring weakness/lack of depth at skill forward and center. Quentin gets the minutes at the 3 by default - until Gallinari shows he can run or until Big Fella Jr develops a shot. Ricahrdson's calf-length therapeutic socks gotta go.

I miss Matt Barnes and Maceo Baston.

IN

Zach Randolph
Chris Duhon
Wilson Chandler
David Lee
Stephon Marbury
Nate Robinson



OUT

Jerome James
Allan Houston
(Jamal Crawford)
Eddy Curry
Anthony Roberson
(Quentin Richardson)
Dan Grunfeld


TBD

(Malik Rose)
(Mardy Collins)
Patrick Ewing
Danilo Gallinari
Jared Jeffries


I think you may find something like that occurring. If Q can't get it done this year, ultimately he will be fazed out and a Raja bell/Barnes type will be brought in. Chandler will ultimately seize that position so the back up will probably be a hard working defender that can hit the open shot and swing between the 2 and the 3. Mike right now is forcing jamal and Steph into that role but I'm sure he'll be looking for someone else down the road.
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10/22/2008  4:41 PM
MDA on Crawford:
"I think points are something we can manufacture," D'Antoni said. "Somebody's going to score. The thing is, is he a winning player, is he playing defense, does the team look good around him? Those are much more important (things) than stats."



Crawford on the pre-season:
"I don't take it that serious," Crawford said of the preseason. "Obviously, other people do, but I'll be ready when the season starts."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/10/21/2008-10-
21_mike_dantoni_benches_outofshape_eddy_cur.html





[Edited by - McK1 on 22-10-2008 4:47 PM]
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10/22/2008  4:42 PM
WOW.. good finds McK1. I have long been a Jamal supporter but that quote of his is pretty damning. Same goes for what MDA said about him. wow.
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10/22/2008  4:52 PM
I'd like to know why Jamal doesn't take the pre-season seriously. I'm wondering when he became Kobe or LeBron or some other player with that luxury.

Also, I wouldn't bet on Steph or Nate remaining in the starting lineup.

Curry otoh, isn't doing himself any favors.
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10/22/2008  4:55 PM
I'm loving this, cuz to me no matter how these players react it's a win win situation. MDA and Walsh are here to stay! These players aren't guaranteed PT or a long stay here. We'll find out who really is a winning player for sure this year.
I think they also have a pretty good idea of what players we need now as well. Anyone could see the glaring holes in our lineup. So i'm hopeful that we'll see them try to acquire those players and move out guys that don't fit.

Curry is on notice, Q is fast approaching bench status, Jamal better wake up or he'll join him and i'm hopeful they'll buyout Jerome so we can keep Jr or at least try to bring in another young player.
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10/22/2008  6:14 PM
A lot of these guys are still in the mode that they have earned playing time and that it will automatically be given to them. They will learn or be jettisoned
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10/22/2008  6:21 PM
I'd like to wait and see before I declare anything a success. In the end no matter who coaches this is clearly a very flawed roster that will only go so far. At it's absolute best it's a .500 team. That means no injuries, no fights, and complete trust in the coach and doing what he tells you to do.

This is somewhat similar to when Isiah took over for Larry. The players were elated. Everyone was having fun. The team showed promise in pre-season. Even in the 5-11 start to the season they played very hard every night. They then went on a .500 stretch for about 50 games before injuries caused a 4-14 slip to close the season.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a similar situation this season.

Why? It's the same general scenario here. The same players are involved.

So until those few nice preseason games translate into a club playing at least .500 ball? And I don't mean opening the damn season 1-1 I mean being 25-25 by the AS Break. Until such progress is documented?

It's WAY TOO EARLY to sing any praises.
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10/22/2008  7:03 PM
Cosmic - not all players are the same

(deep exhale) Chandler OK

"A precautionary x-ray on Wilson Chandler's left knee, which he sprained Tuesday night and also injured the next-to-last game of last season, revealed nothing more than that "mild" sprain, according to the team. This preseason's breakout performer is listed as day-to-day and will be re-evaluated Friday, the team said, the day of the Knicks' final preseason game against the Nets, in which he probably won't play."

Chris Duhon adds another subtle dimension to the roster. Competition for backcourt minutes.

There has not been this tytpe of depth in the backcourt in a long while. That competetion puts the so-called incumbents (Marbury and Crawford) on notice and it has a carry-over affect on the entire squad.

Cosmic - I'm not singing any praises, especially in the pre season. But the names have been changed (from 2007) to protect the innocent. Note how the puzzle parts are shifting under D'Antoni

Duhon - IN Marbury - slides over Crawford - OUT Nate - IN
Curry - OUT all the way to the inactive list Zach - back IN Lee - always IN
Jeffries - IN, hopefully by December

The Mayor - Totally IN, vote early and often

All I'm sayin' is that the D'Antoni challenge to player expectations (Marbury, Curry, Crawford) via direct appraisals, is one step in the right direction on the road of respect
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