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EnySpree
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10/13/2008  5:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by EnySpree:

Caron Butler? That dude is one of the quickest/explosive players @ the 3. It took Caron a while but I don't think Wilson is even that good.....let alone have Carons demeanor and ability to carry his team.

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I wanted to add the whole "perfect scenerio" thing......if my mother had a penis she's b my father......get what I'm saying? If a guy is good he doesn't need other players to leave for him to shine. Unless they were blocking him in the depth chart like a jermaine o'neal in portland.

I'm rooting for wilson....but we'd be lucky to see the kid reach 14pts per this year.

[Edited by - enyspree on 13-10-2008 2:42 PM]

Not true at all, it's exactly the opposite.
Eddie Jones had to leave for Kobe.
Moses Malone had to depart for Barkley.
Tracy said he had to get from under Vince's shadow.
1/3 of the T-Wolves starting lineup had to be moved for Garnett to become the da Kid.

Nobody is blocking Wilson on the depth chart.....so I don't get it. What does trading any of the guards have to do with Wilson? So Knicks need to trade craw and marbs to get 2 more duhons to defer to Wilson for him to shine? That's not good basketball, even if the Knicks had Lebron instead of Wilson.

So ok you guys see Wilson becoming Marion, and Caron Butler? Now that's wishful thinking. I hope so too but you can't develop a killer instinct. You can't develop a grown man to be an assasin. That's the difference between those guys and Wilson. Wilson wil play well but I don't think the dude is gonna be in their class. Jut a step below.
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10/13/2008  5:22 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Eny, if Chandler goes over and back hand slap D'Antoni and choke Crawford during a timeout will he impress you?

Dude I don't need wilson to be an ******* like sheed or sprewell, lol. Like I said I love his game, but I just don't think he's gonna be as good as Caron or Marion.....seriously those guys are like tops at their position, lol.
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10/13/2008  5:59 PM
i didn't say i saw him as becoming those guys, only that he has the potential to approach that type of level... whether he does or not i think it depends on the situation & on who he's gonna be playing with... even Kobe needed the opportunity to realize his potential.

realistically i think he'll be a 15-17 ppg / 6 rpg player in a year or 2, but if he works his butt off to develop his game who's to say what his ceiling really is? he's got a lot of talent & ability, but that's not enough to elevate u to the top.
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10/13/2008  6:05 PM
Chandler has a huge amount of upside. He was just starting to develop as a player his soph year at DePaul and he barely got a chance to get run last year but was impressive. He was outstanding in summer league and has looked good so far. I think he's just scratching the surface of where he can go, but it looks to me has that he can help a team in all facets of the game and that he has already been making some big strides.

I don't think its out of the question that he beats out Q for the starting 3 and does something like 16-7 and more than a block a game this year, especially with us pushing the pace.
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10/13/2008  6:41 PM
you're right on the money, VDesai. But I think he will get something like 15.6/6.7 boards and 1.1 blocks.
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10/13/2008  8:08 PM
So aside from some vocabulary issues......we agree.
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10/13/2008  8:16 PM
cha-ching
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10/13/2008  8:31 PM
Posted by MS:

Duhon
Marbury
Chandler
Lee
Zach

I think that lineup can win a lot of games, I think that lineup has a lot of energy, and mild defensive potential.

Chandler has a long strong build, runs well, jumps well, shoots the ball effectively and has an array of moves and his confidence is coming to him. He is going to be a fringe allstar when he puts it together. give the kid time.

Win "a lot of games"?!?! I think New Yorkers have truly forgotten what winning is like. To me, "win a lot of games" would mean at least a 50 win season.
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10/14/2008  3:10 PM
I'm not sure how you determine his killer instinct based on the amount of playing time we have seen. He is aggressive and seems to be unafraid of anyone. He's stood up to Lebron and attacks the basket with a fearless abandon. He shoots pretty much everyitme he touches the ball. Not sure what the interpretation is of his killer instinct. He's at the moment not skilled enough to take games over from some of the other guys and this may be a long-term reality. He's still going to be a good player for us. Maybe not a superstar but a good player nonetheless. We need the momentum of more guys like that to turn this ship around.
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10/14/2008  6:02 PM
Q-Rich is the defacto starter right now being the starter last year and a former D'Antoni player, but it's up to Chandler to take that away from him. I betcha that's exactly what D'Antoni's thinking too. He loves Chandler and probably sees Q as a support player off the bench for him at this stage. Chandler's the future and could be the present as well but he's gotta play with more a chip on his shoulder, like he's on a mission, like he wants Q's job. It's wide open for him, he's just gotta go out and take it.
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10/15/2008  3:19 AM
He may have the Houston problem of being too respectful to his teammates. Houston was like that too with the Pistons and in his early Knick career. Thomas and Dumars treated the guy bad because he was a threat. One of my favorite playoff memories is that of Starks and Oakley yelling at Houston to shoot the damn ball and stop passing in the 98 playoffs. I remember the poll taken by the 2007 rookies when they together at Stern's rookie plantation meeting aka NBA Live marketing event (Playa would've appreciated that). I think he was voted as the most mysterious rookie because he didn't say too much and kept to himself. I was joking before but maybe he does have to choke out a teammate. I still recommend Crawford though.
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10/15/2008  5:29 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

He may have the Houston problem of being too respectful to his teammates. Houston was like that too with the Pistons and in his early Knick career. Thomas and Dumars treated the guy bad because he was a threat. One of my favorite playoff memories is that of Starks and Oakley yelling at Houston to shoot the damn ball and stop passing in the 98 playoffs. I remember the poll taken by the 2007 rookies when they together at Stern's rookie plantation meeting aka NBA Live marketing event (Playa would've appreciated that). I think he was voted as the most mysterious rookie because he didn't say too much and kept to himself. I was joking before but maybe he does have to choke out a teammate. I still recommend Crawford though.

that's what i see also... Wilson's got the same type of mild manner that Allan had, & i think that may hinder him from realizing his full potential here... Allan had the competitive fire though even though he was soft spoken, i'm hoping that Wilson will have that same type of drive when he gains an increased role in this offense... i think he's got a good work ethic overall though, so that much is encouraging.
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10/15/2008  6:54 AM
I see Chandler as a starter, too. I don't see him as a big scorer, but I do see him as an effective scorer. He'll put up his share of points, he'll excel defensively and he'll pull down some boards. All in all, he'll be an asset as a starter this season.
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10/15/2008  8:52 AM
Chandler w/20 & 10 tonight & he was stroking it from beyond the arc... not too shabby.
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10/15/2008  9:04 AM
I like Q starting if he's playing well and Chandler and JJskinny coming off the bench.

Funny thing is we need guards. Duhon is stop gap, Nate is great off the bench and I like Crawford but I am not sold on him at all.

Chandler has a ways to go, but right now I think he's great off the bench at the 3/4 for 25 minutes a night
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10/15/2008  9:13 AM
I really think I can see Wilson as a 2 or a 3 a la a guy like Maggette or a young Q. I know he is a bit taller than them, but I really think I like him there. With Jamal just being a warm body out there I can see our best lineup being

Zach
Lee
Q/Chandler
Chandler/Q
Nate-P.S. I don't like Nate as a starter but he may be the best PG we have. I still think I would have rather had a guy like Jarrett Jack over Duhon, or I can can see us trading for a PG this season.

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10/15/2008  9:22 AM
what's wrong w/Duhon? he seems to be OK to me... he plays within the offense & doesn't force up bad shots as far as i've seen... he may not be putting up stellar #'s but he's not making stupid decisions w/the ball either for the most part... i think he's been as much as we could have expected when we signed him... he'll only get better once he gets a full handle of this offense & gets used to playing w/these guys.

on another note, how about Mardy Collins? he's been looking so much better this preseason than all of last year.
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10/15/2008  12:25 PM
Wilson is better than Q. The Knicks need to elevate him to starter and get Q's fat arse off the team. I see nothing special in Q. Take Crawford too and move him on also. Crawford will always be a fraud in my book. Shoots 40% from the floor how can this guy have the gall to think he is elite material.

Personally I would move Wilson to sg and Gallnari to sf.

Stasrting lineup:
Duhon
Wilson
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10/15/2008  1:53 PM
Posted by TMS:

Chandler w/20 & 10 tonight & he was stroking it from beyond the arc... not too shabby.

I must admitt that Wilson had that look about him that said "these Philly guys can't hold me". He showed a little swagger that I was talking about.

Observation......as the season goes on he will gain more and more confidence. So we'll see what he does. D'antoni aint rushing him, plus Q sucks even more coming off the bench.....eventually I think Wilson will force Coach's hand......probably game #1.
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10/15/2008  3:11 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by TMS:

Chandler w/20 & 10 tonight & he was stroking it from beyond the arc... not too shabby.

I must admitt that Wilson had that look about him that said "these Philly guys can't hold me". He showed a little swagger that I was talking about.

Observation......as the season goes on he will gain more and more confidence. So we'll see what he does. D'antoni aint rushing him, plus Q sucks even more coming off the bench.....eventually I think Wilson will force Coach's hand......probably game #1.


I personally think he has always had it, I just don't think he has gotten significant enough playing time to show us. When you play sporadic minutes, on thsoe off nights it may look like the player is passive when in reality he is just not getting his shots that night. To me, the guy is always unafraid to attack the hoop or find other ways to get his shot off. He battles on the boards with guys much bigger and is unafraid of anyone. I think his shot totals will be down at times because of the nature of our system, but I have seen nothing but aggression and confidence from the guy. It will grow as his time increases as well.
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