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8/31/2003  4:11 PM
Anyway, back to the original topic above!

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/2699.htm

If any of you follow or believe in the NY Post, then the outcome of MCDyess coming back strong this yr is positive.
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8/31/2003  4:56 PM
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Posted by knicksbb10:

Anyway, back to the original topic above!

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/2699.htm

If any of you follow or believe in the NY Post, then the outcome of MCDyess coming back strong this yr is positive.
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The question isn't if he is coming back its when he is coming back. The fans and anyone for that matter don't have a clue as to when he will be back. Will he be there for the start of the season 10 games in or 5o games into the season. We need to know when. His next check up is on Oct. 21st. that should indicate as to when he is going to come back or if he needs more time to heal.
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Posted by Vmart:

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Posted by knicksbb10:

Anyway, back to the original topic above!

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/2699.htm

If any of you follow or believe in the NY Post, then the outcome of MCDyess coming back strong this yr is positive.
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The question isn't if he is coming back its when he is coming back. The fans and anyone for that matter don't have a clue as to when he will be back. Will he be there for the start of the season 10 games in or 5o games into the season. We need to know when. His next check up is on Oct. 21st. that should indicate as to when he is going to come back or if he needs more time to heal.

Find we understand that, Vmart!! The fact that there was some sought of communication between H20, McDyess and his agent is leading knick fans to be optimistic. For the past 4 mos, Knicks mgmt or anyone else would not comment on McDyess's rehab. They were kept tight-lipped. So to finally hear something at least is encouraging. Hey, i rather hear McDyess is doing well in his rehab then "Oh No, looks like we have a serious setback on McDyess's prognosis. I'm sure you feel the same way, my man! Whatever i just used an example, i take back(knock on wood) cause i don't want to jinx it but hopefully you get my point!!
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8/31/2003  10:11 PM
All Jokes aside, if anybody saw last season in preseasonif Dice didn't get hurt dude was trimming guys left and right. So if he kness holds out how could you doubt NY wouldn't be contemding in the EAST.Dice was wrecking things when his knee held up.
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9/2/2003  3:33 PM
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Hardcore, please don't put me in the same sentence or conversation with that dude(Playa 2)
Hey, you made the playa-esque comments, yo. I would never call LayDown "brilliant". Ever. Now feel free to hang yourself and attempt to deny that.

Whatever you two had going on in the past is none of my business. Now, i never indicated that you were a hyppcrite but if the shoes fits..
...then wear it. I showed my reasoning for my stances. You, on the other hand, are still stuck on the whole "oh you are still going to the games" mess that you claimed you finally understood (again) after Pike said it. (Hey Pike, what did I tell you? )

In a previous statement, Pike commented "However, at least in Hardcore's case... he'll have the opportunity to exercise his first ammendment rights this season. Give 'em hell, HARDCORE!!" Cool with that but a stupid move if you think it's gonna make a difference. Mgmt is still gonna get the best out of you as long as you dished all that $$$$$ into their big pockets.. That's their main objective.
Son, you really are on the brink of playing yourself. Wasn't it YOU who said "hey, we can upgrade now and get good seats so in years to come when the Knicks are contenders again, we will have good seats"?? Don't even think I am gonna let you talk outta both sides of your mouth while trying to act like something is wrong with me and my stances.

You think Laydown or Dolan cares what you say about them??
What they think doesn't matter to me. It is obvious that they are incompetent.

You think you wearing a Fire Laydown tee-shirt is gonna make a difference???
Why didn't you say that crap when you you were jumping on the t-shirt bandwagon? All you did was expose yourself right there. Thanks for making it so damn easy.

Don't think so!! If you think you're gonna make a difference @ the game by verbally bashing Knicks Mgmt, you should remember 2 things a) They got your season ticket holder $$$$$, LOL!! 2) You say more with silence than you ever do with words
Enough with the silliness, son. I already dealt with that part. If you want to sit there in MSG with a pacifier in your mouth, then be my guest. It is your choice. I will voice my opinion regardless of what you or anyone else thinks or cares. I don't give one iota of a damn what anyone thinks- if I see something to be wrong, then I make it known. Plus, if you believed in that same "say more with silence than you ever do with words" crap that you are spitting now, then there would have been nothing said by you for me to respond to in the first place, now would it? Give that one some thought. Please.

I guess you and Done Chaney will be holding hands together wearing tee-shirts reading DEAD MEN WALKING!!!
That one was straight corny. Nuff said.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 09/03/2003 06:00:53]
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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9/2/2003  3:52 PM
Now that things have been dispatched on the wild side, on to my original topic... and that NY Post article...

Hey Vmart, I really don't put much stock into what comes out in the Post, given their track record. The same stuff came out last year prior to preseason. IMHO I believe that the NYK PR office needs some good news to spread due to so many having already written the season off this year. Think about it- what has been the Knicks news lately? Dyess may come back, Houston talking big about Dyess but HE himself may not be ready for training camp (at least). If Dyess comes back, then he'll be there @ MSG with a Knicks uni on when the season starts. Given what you have heard thus far vs. how things seem to be sounding this offseason, do you think Dyess will come back and produce like he did before the injury?

Playa, same question (sice you mentioned how Dyess played prior to the last injury). Also, do you believe LayDown will (or can) realistically get a pass from all those who can't stand him (including me) if Dyess comes back? Does that really erase all the crap he's done to screw this team up over the years?
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9/2/2003  5:33 PM
Hardcore , that's my point you looking for a fight even if the knicks play beyound your expectations as iron mike says I call that "ludacrious".
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9/3/2003  12:37 AM
Posted by playa2:

Hardcore , that's my point you looking for a fight even if the knicks play beyound your expectations as iron mike says I call that "ludacrious".

How am I looking for a fight when I asked you a simple question?

...and since when have the Knicks played beyond my expectations? What the hell are you saying? You probably don't even know your damn self...
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9/3/2003  6:38 AM
You say we will get the #1 pick overall next yr in draft. You think the knicks will have the worst team because Mewell is gone? You might nedd a urine test man. NY will be in playoffs this yr .
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9/3/2003  8:43 AM
BOth of you are out of bounds.....

I like the quiet nature of the team right now, no need to hype to early, and by keeping it simple they expectations are low.

Hard core internet fans want more and want it now, but in running the team as a business, its too early to start any hype. I don't think Laydog is as widely hated as he is in some circles. Not revered mind you, but not hated.

If the team is smart, its hype should focus on excitement of a young team. Its entertainment the NBA, and lots of people love to watch a good game. IN fact, the average fan could care less about our internet ramblings. So if you cannot for the life of you figure out why fans put up with stuff, they really see this as entertainment and business expense.

That being said, this team will be better this year than last, but not buy much. The hype will say we will compete and be great, but they have to say that.

Last year the team was one in decay, and this year its one of rebuilding. We are still 2-3 years away from being real serious. But it can be fun too. This year we give the young'ins playing time, suck and get our center. Year after we still don't make playoffs, but start to gel with rookie center late in year. We get a nice lotto pick again, this time our small forward. Year after we in to playoffs, draft SG to replace Allan. At that point, KVH is gone, Spoon, Eyes,etc. We thank Chaney for grooming the team and bring in Brendon malone to fire it up for a 5 year run.

Support the youth movement and enjoy the next 10 years!

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9/3/2003  1:22 PM
Neydal I must admit you have the right stuff that haterz hate to hate. THE TRUTH!
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9/4/2003  5:44 AM
Neydal, I agree with you as far as the rooks getting some burn this year, and the point about rebuilding. However, we fail to see eye-to-eye on the "quiet nature" of the team. IMO we need skill and fire, and a "quiet" team leaves our situation painfully lopsided to say the least. What is so wrong with a team that is exciting, hardcore, has heart and plays like they refuse to back down? That is what NY is all about, and our team should reflect that.

When it comes to our ramblings, yes, it is entertainment. It is also a a good place to voice opinions among fans who care. Whether you call that type of fan "average" is your choice. Real fans speak their minds without care or worry about what others think or say. We get a chance to compare opinions and ideas.

Lastly, I really don't see us doing better than last year. While I am with you on getting the draft picks (and the Brendan Malone as head coach is not bad either), I sincerely hope that the season will do some good by forcing the changes that need to be made. I am glad to see that you have a realistic vision regarding that aspect (Unlike some around here like playa(self) who by believing that we'll make the playoffs only shows us just how detrimental a lobotomy can really be ).
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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9/4/2003  7:34 AM
Well it seems that Dyess may play this season from the sound of this article... At least they are gonna let him sit out the preseason this time around. He's gonna have to put up solid numbers for it to end up being worthwhile. It's finger-crossing time...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/114521p-103325c.html

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9/4/2003  9:45 AM
I agree, I want the nastiest charactor team to dominate and strut all the way to the hanging of a banner!

Winning creates that, talent creates winning, so if it all comes together, that why I say its evolutionary, not somthing you can just install. When Van Gundy bolted, or when the teams general abanded them, they really struggled. Naturally. Last year they lost dice and Spree betrayed them (my opinion)but they came back to play very well for balance of season. They have character.

I hate when teams strut around like they just accomplished somthing incredible and act arrogant and stupid. Remember the Giants in the playoffs last year against the 49ers? IT is also terrible PR when ever a player gets in trouble off the coure, but even worse if the team sucks. At least we have solid citizens and good guys on the team NOW. Those good guys will not around, or have much importance in 2-3 years when hopefully the youth movement really takes hold, thus I can tolerate this roster to be nice, but when the kids start to play, start to win, and become the leaders, and as a unit develope their own personality. If they are winners, it will just evolve.

As a side line note, I think Spree despite one trip to the finals in that short season where Camby was unstoppable, is not a winner. Spree has a history of playing on turbulant teams and whether or not its his fault, he adds to it. Not on the court mind you, but when we talk about character, he lacks it. That is why I think he is soft! Rasheed,artest and SPree are menatlly soft because they cannot maintain consistant temper or discipline to be a solid person. Pro athletes really need a total life to keep performing mentally and phisically. It takes a lot of preparation to play a 48 min game. Being in court, getting sued, suing everybody, getting arrested excessive defensive interviews, excessive travel, posse troubles, smoking dope, girl trouble, ex girl trouble, 10 kids with 6 mothers, money problems ,etc, are all stressful and sap energy that hurt careers

KVH has made it to the finals and has hit clutch shots. He also disappears during stretches. I think it has to do with not being able to create his own shot. Ok, what is done is done, and bottom line of that trade is not the past performance for either player or there apparent softness, but whom has more potential going forward for the knicks. Spree is undersized and in decline. KVH while never was the player spree was, and is over paid, and is not the defensive stopper spree used to be (defensive ability also in decline), does bring size, youth, offensive rebounding, outside shooting, etc to the team. And KVH might be a nice piece on a great team as a role player in 2-3 years. Also, Management hates Spree, and spree hates authority. In a new city and team, he should do better. Contract year should make him behave. I expect him to do very well this year and hear lots of whining from knick fans. But that performance would not happen here as he is on a great team now, and we are not one at this time.
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9/4/2003  11:32 AM
Good Pt, Nedyal1! i've been trying to tell people the same thing but these so-called knickfans failed to realize it. All they want to do is bitch and assumed the knicks won't make the playoffs this year. At least now, the organization has a head start with the good news regarding Dyess. Hopefully that could lead to bigger and better things.
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9/4/2003  11:39 AM
Well, if somehow Dice is Ready to play 75 games this year at 17/9 then NY is going to be decent this season.
KT
Dice
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H20
Ward
with Lampe, Sweets, Spoon, Anderson and Fwill off the bench!

Trade Eisley for garbage, OH and Knight too! Let the Kids get them time off the bench.

Also Dice if he can stay healthy all year gives NY a problem. Do they resign or not?

This is great News and NOw we can actually look forward to this year. A healthy DICE opens it up on the outside for H20 and KVH. KT can do the dirty work and all Ward and FWILL have to do is dish. Fwill could be a key since he is the only PG has that can drive and dish!

Lampe can get time at C and SF off the bench. Let Sweets back up PF. Spoon can play PF/SF.

Anderson is Houston's backup now...no more SF for him.
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Neydal, it's good to see that you agree with the idea about the type of character that will bring us a title. However, our opinions differ when it comes to players like Spree. IMO we need more players with that kind of fire and skill on the court. What you said about Artest and Sheed was said abut Spree prior to his arrival in NY.

When the team became determined to make idiot management decisions, it looked like Spree didn't have as much fight in him. He spoke up (which those who were anti-Spree often called "rebellion against authority") when no one else on the team had the balls to do it (not even the "captain" Allan Houston). What he said about us needing a big man two years ago was true. What he said about LayDown was true and was being said by many (not "so-called (LMAO)" but REAL) fans. LayDown (and those fence riding fickle-type "fans") didn't like him because he wasn't a yes man, wasn't a shell of a man with no balls to speak his mind even when it didn't fall within the company line. What is really soft is when players can't do that (examples: Houston, KVH, etc.). Back when the Knicks were a feared and respected team (which sounds like SO long ago), players could speak their minds and not be chastised for it. Their thoughts and opinions mattered to management. The only thing Dolan and his lapdog LayDown hear is themselves, while blind to the hideous sight of their own failures. It's all basic understanding, so I'm confident that you can feel where I am coming from. Some "fans" around here don't have a tight enough grip on the basics to comprehend that though... I respect you because you aren't fickle.

When Spree excels in Minny, it won't be about "whining" or "bitching". It's about not wanting our team to become so entrenched in Softee-ism that we become as blind as NYK management. This team has to gel, and with that said, I still do not believe we'll make it anywhere near the playoffs this year. Like we discussed and agreed on earlier, a bad season this year can still be somewhat fruitful (with high draft picks and team-wide changes).

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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9/5/2003  8:24 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

[quote]Posted by knicksbb10:

Hey, you made the playa-esque comments, yo. I would never call LayDown "brilliant". Ever. Now feel free to hang yourself and attempt to deny that.
TIME TO RESPOND!!!
I can see you mistaken me from Playa-self. I never called Laydown "brilliant", He did.. When you're looking for that specific thread and can't find it, you'll be the one hanging yourself.

I showed my reasoning for my stances. You, on the other hand, are still stuck on the whole "oh you are still going to the games" mess that you claimed you finally understood (again) after Pike said it. (Hey Pike, what did I tell you? )

That is right! i do ask you several times "Are you going to the games" My thing is how are you able to go to the games and @ the same time bash Mgmt with every negative thing you can think of while you still giving them most of your $$$ as a season ticket holder??

Son, you really are on the brink of playing yourself. Wasn't it YOU who said "hey, we can upgrade now and get good seats so in years to come when the Knicks are contenders again, we will have good seats"?? Don't even think I am gonna let you talk outta both sides of your mouth while trying to act like something is wrong with me and my stances.
There's nothing that indicates i'm talking both sides of my mouth. I did say we can upgrade but the stuff you say about the team and mgmt, C'mon Bro!!! You sound like SOFTCORE-ENEMY-OF-THE-KNICKS!! ya need to chill with the derogatory comments you constantly say about the team. Whose talking both sides of their mouth now??

Why didn't you say that crap when you you were jumping on the t-shirt bandwagon? All you did was expose yourself right there. Thanks for making it so damn easy.
Show me where i said that!! If you can't then put ya head back in ya A$$.

I guess you and Done Chaney will be holding hands together wearing tee-shirts reading DEAD MEN WALKING!!!
That one was straight corny. Nuff said.

It wasn't corny! Basically it was hilarious but i can picture it now, When the knicks compete this yr and battling for the Eastern Conference, You will be taking pictures alongside Chaney,Layden,Mills and Dolan smiling. Oh don't forget your boy Playaself, he'll be right next to you. Both of you always arguing like husband and wife.

[Edited by - knicksbb10 on 09/05/2003 20:26:48]

[Edited by - knicksbb10 on 09/05/2003 20:29:08]
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9/8/2003  12:26 PM
Now see, you obviously won't learn until someone pulls down those skid-stained panties and exposes your fickle *** to the world.
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by knicksbb10:

Hey, you made the playa-esque comments, yo. I would never call LayDown "brilliant". Ever. Now feel free to hang yourself and attempt to deny that.
TIME TO RESPOND!!!
I can see you mistaken me from Playa-self. I never called Laydown "brilliant", He did.. When you're looking for that specific thread and can't find it, you'll be the one hanging yourself.

PAGE ONE of this same thread, Einstein. Who's hangin' now? Just looking stupid and stiff, swinging in the wind. I wouldn't be surprised if Playa(self) said it too, since the two of you agree on so many topics.
I showed my reasoning for my stances. You, on the other hand, are still stuck on the whole "oh you are still going to the games" mess that you claimed you finally understood (again) after Pike said it. (Hey Pike, what did I tell you? )

That is right! i do ask you several times "Are you going to the games" My thing is how are you able to go to the games and @ the same time bash Mgmt with every negative thing you can think of while you still giving them most of your $$$ as a season ticket holder??

After I answered the question, you "brilliantly" ask it again. What's your issue, amnesia or dyslexia? Pull the Dunce hat from over your eyes and READ.

Son, you really are on the brink of playing yourself. Wasn't it YOU who said "hey, we can upgrade now and get good seats so in years to come when the Knicks are contenders again, we will have good seats"?? Don't even think I am gonna let you talk outta both sides of your mouth while trying to act like something is wrong with me and my stances.
There's nothing that indicates i'm talking both sides of my mouth. I did say we can upgrade but the stuff you say about the team and mgmt, C'mon Bro!!! You sound like SOFTCORE-ENEMY-OF-THE-KNICKS!! ya need to chill with the derogatory comments you constantly say about the team. Whose talking both sides of their mouth now??

Your incompetent memory proves that you're talking out of both sides of your mouth as well as the side of your neck. Why the hell do I need to chill? Your tender ears can't take it, Nancy? If you'd suck up the damned truth like you do LayDown's jock, you'd be much better off. I stay consistent in all my posts. As impossible as that may be for you to imagine doing yourself, try it. All you'd gain is respect from respectable posters in this forum.
Why didn't you say that crap when you you were jumping on the t-shirt bandwagon? All you did was expose yourself right there. Thanks for making it so damn easy.
Show me where i said that!! If you can't then put ya head back in ya A$$.

You said that you were gonna wear the T-Shirt to me directly. Judging by your track record that you are making clear to the whole forum by now, it's again all too easy to see how prone you are to flip-flop on anything you say or type. If you "all of a sudden" didn't say it, then why didn't you bring it up almost two weeks ago when I first pulled ya card about it? I heard of backpedaling, but you moonwalk better than Michael Jackson. Next time, read the thread for yourself and jog that malfunctioning memory of yours before running ya mouth. It'd save you the pain and embarassment of being exposed by cats who don't let that stuff slide.
It wasn't corny! Basically it was hilarious but i can picture it now, When the knicks compete this yr and battling for the Eastern Conference, You will be taking pictures alongside Chaney,Layden,Mills and Dolan smiling. Oh don't forget your boy Playaself, he'll be right next to you. Both of you always arguing like husband and wife.
[Edited by - knicksbb10 on 09/05/2003 20:29:08]

Again, you prove my point about how hopelessly corny you really are. Plus, anyone who reads these threads with any regularity already knows that you and Playa(self) agree on some of the most nonsensical opinions on this forum. I (and many others)shut Playa the Clown down on the reg up in here just like I am doing to you right now. It's what being HARDCORE really is all about. If you wasn't up on that yet, get a late pass. Take notes. Then pull up ya skirt and be on ya way.

You brought this on yourself, bruh. When it comes to ruckus, don't start none, won't be none.
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9/8/2003  12:51 PM
BTW, here's that quote just so your neck stays cracked in the noose. I wanted to make sure it remained intact just in case you try to wipe the egg from your face by editing or deleting the post. After all, inconsistency can never be trusted. LMAO CTFU
Posted by knicksbb10:

You'll be surprise this season for the knicks. Hopefully, the trade and picks turns out to be brilliant. No one knows until mid-season and when we're able to spot the knicks in the rankings. For now, all this trash bashing on layden is based on different opinions.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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