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oohah
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9/29/2008  11:40 AM
That's because you were conveniently ignoring his posts...


That is not it buddy. But if you want to know, I'll tell you why...but you have to ask nicely.

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9/29/2008  11:58 AM
Posted by King1:

If that is the culture how does Steph has a clean slate?

Everyone is getting a clean slate to prove they want and deserve to be here. Would it be better to give steph a clean slate or hold the past few years against him? steph is a goner most likely, the clean slate thing is fair, but also a level of diplomacy from the front office..
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9/29/2008  12:31 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by King1:

If that is the culture how does Steph has a clean slate?

Everyone is getting a clean slate to prove they want and deserve to be here. Would it be better to give steph a clean slate or hold the past few years against him? steph is a goner most likely, the clean slate thing is fair, but also a level of diplomacy from the front office..

Clean state includes not only him playing good but in first place him doing what coach want him to do for the good of the team.
If Steph can rewrite himself to this - welcom back to NY. But with weak mind as he has who can believe in this miracle.
Giving him clean state means let him burn the last bridges himself.


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9/29/2008  12:37 PM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by King1:

If that is the culture how does Steph has a clean slate?

Everyone is getting a clean slate to prove they want and deserve to be here. Would it be better to give steph a clean slate or hold the past few years against him? steph is a goner most likely, the clean slate thing is fair, but also a level of diplomacy from the front office..

Clean state includes not only him playing good but in first place him doing what coach want him to do for the good of the team.
If Steph can rewrite himself to this - welcom back to NY. But with weak mind as he has who can believe in this miracle.
Giving him clean state means let him burn the last bridges himself.

exactly....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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9/29/2008  12:43 PM
Playing good cop in this? OK.

Still we really need to get back to the time when our Knicks were in the papers - it was about BASKETBALL.
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9/29/2008  1:54 PM
This has been an interesting look at how the fanbase feels about MDA and the players on this team. I think that some of us don't really understand what MDA is saying he's going to do. The man is telling you that NO ONE is going to be able to just float by as they have in the past and see playing time. He's not going to play guys even guys like Steph, Curry and Zach if they're not in shape and don't do the things he's calling for.

He's going to run a system that actually fits our better players and for the most part those guys have already bought in. So we're not talking about Zach, Curry or anyone else that doesn't want to get in shape or pass the ball. If they change and do these things they'll play. It's not just about wins and losses this year. We always want to win, but changing the culture here is more important. Now we have a qualified Coach and GM who are lock step in synch and they have a plan. We haven't had all of those things in years.
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9/29/2008  1:55 PM
Posted by K22:

Playing good cop in this? OK.

Still we really need to get back to the time when our Knicks were in the papers - it was about BASKETBALL.


I'm with you on that. I cannot wait. I'm sick of the nonsense. But with Curry out of shape, marbs being here, JJ being here, and the rest of the crew that won't happen until they are gone or we start winning. The papers smell blood this preseason and will be all over the sideshow. At this point I don't think there is much we can do about it.
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9/29/2008  2:12 PM
JJ is in camp?
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9/29/2008  2:48 PM
Posted by K22:

Playing good cop in this? OK.

Still we really need to get back to the time when our Knicks were in the papers - it was about BASKETBALL.

Umm... you must have missed those stories about strip clubs, paternity suits, rape allegations and oh yeah Knick City dancers.
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9/29/2008  3:14 PM
seeing is believing.
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9/29/2008  5:57 PM
I wouldn't expect a new coach to say anything different. That being said I think it is important to remember that he is going to be under intense scrutiny. He has an extremely loyal but frustrated fan base and the media coverage will be much more intense than in Phoenix. Remember also that one of the reasons he left Phoenix was that he was being criticized in the media. He also is taking over a team that has been the most dysfunctional in sports and has some extreme headcases who are chronically non compliant. This is after coaching Steve Nash. It will be a process and he may not be the guy to do this.
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9/29/2008  10:39 PM
Posted by King1:

MDA style of coaching is based on treating people like adults. How many fathers out there treat their 5 year old like an adult? This is what he is dealing with children in adult bodies. If he holds these guys accountable in practice and games then it will work. If he plays Curry, or had Marbury on the team or let Zach walk down the floor then it will be the same crap as the prior years. We drafted Brien Taylor I mean Gallo over guards that could help us right now. Our plan is pray that in 2010 someone wants to play for the Knicks, if that doesnt happen plan B is what?

I see no way that MDA will allow Zach to walk down the floor. If Curry isn't able to get up and down, then he won't play!!! If Steph can't do what he's asked then he won't play.

We have Jamal, Lee, Chan, Nate, Duhon, Q, Gallo, P Jr. and others besides the Zach, Curry & Steph triumvirate. We aren't locked into using these guys if they hold this team back from moving forward with MDA's system. It's not the best situation and we all would've preferred to have moved at least one of those guys, but since that didn't happen, we have to deal with it. I think MDA has the power to be free to sit a guy that isn't giving him what he wants.

I've never heard Walsh say that he was only relying on 2010, but failing to plan for it would be criminal. I expect that MDA and Walsh will look to do small things along the way, but the development of our own young talent will be at the forefront of their efforts.
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9/29/2008  11:45 PM
I hope he can handle the media. I hope he can handle the criticism. I hope he can handle the crazy dysfunctional roster that has not changed since he was hired significantly. I hope he can handle the crazy, tyrannical owner's son.
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9/29/2008  11:56 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I hope he can handle the media. I hope he can handle the criticism. I hope he can handle the crazy dysfunctional roster that has not changed since he was hired significantly. I hope he can handle the crazy, tyrannical owner's son.

If i'm MDA I could care less what the media said. He's got years to get this thing right and I would do the right thing with this roster and just ignore the press and all the outside crap. All that matters is the development of my players. It takes time to get a team to fully absorb a system and to change their attitude from that of losers to winners. I think he's the perfect guy for the job of building confidence and accountability.
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9/30/2008  12:52 AM
after running our franchise into the ground i think Isiah also deserves a clean slate... as a matter of fact i think President Bush should also be granted a clean slate... 4 more years! everyone show your support!
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9/30/2008  7:25 PM
Mike D left Phoenix because he felt he was being unfairly criticized, was asked to coach defense and Steve Kerr wanted a coach who put more of an emphasis on defense. He will be criticized and scrutinized constantly in NY.
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9/30/2008  7:55 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I hope he can handle the media. I hope he can handle the criticism. I hope he can handle the crazy dysfunctional roster that has not changed since he was hired significantly. I hope he can handle the crazy, tyrannical owner's son.

I hope he can handle the "quick-to-turn-on-you" crowd too. I think that's just as important.
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Posted by CrushAlot:

Mike D left Phoenix because he felt he was being unfairly criticized, was asked to coach defense and Steve Kerr wanted a coach who put more of an emphasis on defense. He will be criticized and scrutinized constantly in NY.

That's why is hiring doesn't make any sense. Walsh stood up and said that his goal was to bring competitive basketball to NYC, putting an emphasis on defense. He said it was a tough city that demanded results. Then he turns around and hires a guy who felt harrassed by Phoenix media. I'm like those guys out there in Phoenix the hiring is an odd fit. According to D'Antoni, he turned down the job in Chicago because of not being comfortable with Reinsdorf but somehow he feels ok about Dolan. The guy has already made backhanded comments about the NY media and Knick fanbase. In many ways this organization took steps back this offseason.
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9/30/2008  8:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by CrushAlot:

Mike D left Phoenix because he felt he was being unfairly criticized, was asked to coach defense and Steve Kerr wanted a coach who put more of an emphasis on defense. He will be criticized and scrutinized constantly in NY.

That's why is hiring doesn't make any sense. Walsh stood up and said that his goal was to bring competitive basketball to NYC, putting an emphasis on defense. He said it was a tough city that demanded results. Then he turns around and hires a guy who felt harrassed by Phoenix media. I'm like those guys out there in Phoenix the hiring is an odd fit. According to D'Antoni, he turned down the job in Chicago because of not being comfortable with Reinsdorf but somehow he feels ok about Dolan. The guy has already made backhanded comments about the NY media and Knick fanbase. In many ways this organization took steps back this offseason.

I was reading comments by Walsh and was glad to see that Walsh used the same logic i've been using for a long time now, that it's not how few points you allow, but the point differential. For years MDA's teams have had one of the highest point diff's in the league. You can't do that simply by scoring a lot. If you compare the other top scoring teams in the league like Denver and GS, you'd see that their point diff's weren't as good. That's cuz they weren't good defensive teams.

Also this notion that you can't win with a mostly offensive team is crap. The Magic LA Lakers were not the best defensive team, but they were good. The won more with offense than defense. The joe Montana 49'ers won mostly with a superior offense and really good D. There are many examples of this. This team will likely be headed in the same direction.

I'm growing tired of all the shots some people are taking against the guy before he's even coached one game.
Let's see what he can do with this team. All this stuff others have brought up about his record without Nash is just silly. Why not just bash all coaches based on when they didn't have their best players? I only care about where this team will be at the end of this year and the years after that. If this guy can improve this team and get it to the point where it can compete for a title one day, that's all we can ask. Winning a title is always the goal, but you can never promise that it will happen.
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