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9/29/2008  11:47 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am not sure what the plan is. More salary has been added. More point guards and small forwards have been added. Another big name who doesn't fit has been added. It seems like the same old plan. When does Mike start to get his guys. Unless they are Houston, Ewing Jr., Roberson and Duhon I think you are mistaken.

Dude, they havent even played a game. They've barely had one off-season. Your expectations are unrealistic.
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9/29/2008  11:50 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I am not sure what the plan is. More salary has been added. More point guards and small forwards have been added. Another big name who doesn't fit has been added. It seems like the same old plan. When does Mike start to get his guys. Unless they are Houston, Ewing Jr., Roberson and Duhon I think you are mistaken.

They don't have any room yet to get much else. People can't have it both ways. Some want to bash the players we have as pure garbage and then wonder why we haven't been able to move those players for something good. Just how does that work exactly. If we did send Zach and a pick away, how would that improve the talent on the roster? That would only qualify as spring cleaning, not a remodel.

I think we have always had talent, almost all analysts believe that. MDA will look to find his guys from among this group and then have Walsh move out guys that don't fit. At that point it will be easier to see exactly what we really need rather than stabbing blindly.
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9/30/2008  9:01 AM
It's never been about talent with this group. Nix many of us were telling you this last year. No one needs analysts to see that. It's the committment to basketball that is the issue. Guys being out of shape, arguing with coaches, worrying about systems, playing one on one. That's our issue. It's not talent. We have a lot of talent. Enough to make the playoffs. We just don't have basketball players.
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9/30/2008  9:31 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

It's never been about talent with this group. Nix many of us were telling you this last year. No one needs analysts to see that. It's the committment to basketball that is the issue. Guys being out of shape, arguing with coaches, worrying about systems, playing one on one. That's our issue. It's not talent. We have a lot of talent. Enough to make the playoffs. We just don't have basketball players.
I brought it up to counter the idea that we somehow don't have enough for MDA to work with.

As far as the guys who aren't basketball players, I think that is an issue which is hard to really judge accurately with what we've seen from LB and Isiah the last 3 years. I won't go back to Lenny cuz that was different group IMO. When you're talking about guys like Jamal, Lee, Chan, Nate, Q, Gallo, P Jr., Roberson, Jared, Collins and Duhon I don't believe that these are guys who won't be coachable.

IMO MDA will have success in reaching these guys and getting more out of them. This is not to say that he's gonna win a ton of games with them, but that we should see a much more determined and focused group and by the end of this season I think we'll be able to see some improvement which is about all I would ask with this team right now. I'm more concerned with how they play than if they win every game or not. If they look like a real D'Antoni team in terms of sharing the ball I will consider that success, tho I feel sure that they will win more games if they're doing those things.
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9/30/2008  10:50 AM
Posted by nixluva:
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It's never been about talent with this group. Nix many of us were telling you this last year. No one needs analysts to see that. It's the committment to basketball that is the issue. Guys being out of shape, arguing with coaches, worrying about systems, playing one on one. That's our issue. It's not talent. We have a lot of talent. Enough to make the playoffs. We just don't have basketball players.
I brought it up to counter the idea that we somehow don't have enough for MDA to work with.

As far as the guys who aren't basketball players, I think that is an issue which is hard to really judge accurately with what we've seen from LB and Isiah the last 3 years. I won't go back to Lenny cuz that was different group IMO. When you're talking about guys like Jamal, Lee, Chan, Nate, Q, Gallo, P Jr., Roberson, Jared, Collins and Duhon I don't believe that these are guys who won't be coachable.

IMO MDA will have success in reaching these guys and getting more out of them. This is not to say that he's gonna win a ton of games with them, but that we should see a much more determined and focused group and by the end of this season I think we'll be able to see some improvement which is about all I would ask with this team right now. I'm more concerned with how they play than if they win every game or not. If they look like a real D'Antoni team in terms of sharing the ball I will consider that success, tho I feel sure that they will win more games if they're doing those things.

I don't disagree. I think most of the guys will be good soldiers this year, but because of the poor leadership they have experienced as Knicks there will be a lot of bad habits to break. These habits are very difficult to get rid of. I personally expect improvement. I think everyone does. The bar has been set low just like it was after LB. But the key for us is getting rid of these headcases and maybe even some of the good guys, in order to bring in some guys that can show the remaining players the proper way. It can't just be about D'Antoni. If he doesn't have veteran follow through there is nothting he can do as coach.
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9/30/2008  11:09 AM
Yeah I think this year guys will stand up. Guys like Q, Jamal, Duhon and Lee. I think as MDA said these guys will be in his "circle" and that will be a big part of the teams future success. People sleep on Duhon as a floor leader, but from everything i've seen and read he's been a team leader in college and even on the Bulls he was much better at it than Hinrich. Under a great teacher like MDA he could emerge as a good coach on the floor for us. Which is what you need from your PG.
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9/30/2008  11:23 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Yeah I think this year guys will stand up. Guys like Q, Jamal, Duhon and Lee. I think as MDA said these guys will be in his "circle" and that will be a big part of the teams future success. People sleep on Duhon as a floor leader, but from everything i've seen and read he's been a team leader in college and even on the Bulls he was much better at it than Hinrich. Under a great teacher like MDA he could emerge as a good coach on the floor for us. Which is what you need from your PG.

I'm with you. And that's why it's so important to marginalize guys like Marbs and Zach, but for some reason this is not happening. We can't afford to let it be a distraction to these young guys. The end result will be the Lee's of the world leaving in free agency, Chandler after that as they look for more stable ground. Or it means we have guys that have just developed more bad habits.

As for Duhon, he went to Duke, so f'em
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9/30/2008  11:35 AM
Fans and the media are putting too much into this witch hunt. D'Antoni doesn't give a **** and that's why he clashed with Sarver. Once he's been around a little longer and you see how he operates, you'll understand this a little better. He's going to play his guys and he's already told Dolan and Walsh as much.

Steph can stay on the roster all he wants. He can suit up. He can practice. He can talk to the media. Mike's not going to play him if Duhon looks anywhere near capable of running his offense, which he will. Nate will be the back up. Steph will be on the bench next to fat ass Curry. If Steph is in the starting lineup on opening night, it'll be because Duhon failed miserably. But given Chris' basketball IQ vs. Steph's, and Mike's comfort level with Chris after spending the summer with Coach K, I don't see that happening.

Steph doesn't need to be bought out or banished. He needs to be benched.
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9/30/2008  11:38 AM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Fans and the media are putting too much into this witch hunt. D'Antoni doesn't give a **** and that's why he clashed with Sarver. Once he's been around a little longer and you see how he operates, you'll understand this a little better. He's going to play his guys and he's already told Dolan and Walsh as much.

Steph can stay on the roster all he wants. He can suit up. He can practice. He can talk to the media. Mike's not going to play him if Duhon looks anywhere near capable of running his offense, which he will. Nate will be the back up. Steph will be on the bench next to fat ass Curry. If Steph is in the starting lineup on opening night, it'll be because Duhon failed miserably. But given Chris' basketball IQ vs. Steph's, and Mike's comfort level with Chris after spending the summer with Coach K, I don't see that happening.

Steph doesn't need to be bought out or banished. He needs to be benched.

Good post. I think you are right about everyone needing to see the way MikeD operates and when people do they are going to be happy that he's here. I really do think that MikeD and Donnie are on the same page, so that's a good sign and I do think it's going to work out quite well.

Now nysportsfan.. what can you tell us about Danilo
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9/30/2008  11:41 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Now nysportsfan.. what can you tell us about Danilo

He's fragile and probably won't be **** until next year.
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9/30/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by nysportsfan11:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Now nysportsfan.. what can you tell us about Danilo

He's fragile and probably won't be **** until next year.

Damn you.. not what I wanted to hear
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9/30/2008  11:51 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Now nysportsfan.. what can you tell us about Danilo

He's fragile and probably won't be **** until next year.

Damn you.. not what I wanted to hear

I could lie to you and tell you he's great.

I don't think he'll be a bust though. I think it's going to take him some time to really get acclimated to the NBA game, much like Nowitzki. He's also not soft like Nowitzki was when he first came into the league (even softer than he is now). Danilo will be a good player, just not this year. I think Ewing Jr. is the same way...good pick up, just not an immediate impact player. He'll be one of those players that people look back on years from now and wonder how the hell the Knicks got him for nothing.
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9/30/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nysportsfan11:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Now nysportsfan.. what can you tell us about Danilo

He's fragile and probably won't be **** until next year.

Damn you.. not what I wanted to hear

I could lie to you and tell you he's great.

I don't think he'll be a bust though. I think it's going to take him some time to really get acclimated to the NBA game, much like Nowitzki. He's also not soft like Nowitzki was when he first came into the league (even softer than he is now). Danilo will be a good player, just not this year. I think Ewing Jr. is the same way...good pick up, just not an immediate impact player. He'll be one of those players that people look back on years from now and wonder how the hell the Knicks got him for nothing.

We did not get Ewing Jr. for nothing- we traded away a first round pick

I hope we don't end up using Gallo in a similar fashion several years down the line
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9/30/2008  12:21 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:


I could lie to you and tell you he's great.

I don't think he'll be a bust though. I think it's going to take him some time to really get acclimated to the NBA game, much like Nowitzki. He's also not soft like Nowitzki was when he first came into the league (even softer than he is now). Danilo will be a good player, just not this year. I think Ewing Jr. is the same way...good pick up, just not an immediate impact player. He'll be one of those players that people look back on years from now and wonder how the hell the Knicks got him for nothing.

I appreciate you being frank, ny.

I think your Dirk comparison is interesting . As much as I haven't seen of Danilo (only that 1 preseason game and I've chosen to not watch any highlights of him from Italy), I got the sense that he was much like Dirk when he first entered the league; excellent shooter, can put the ball on the floor, but doesn't play to his height. As you said, I also found Gallo to have a bit more toughness and be a bit more willing to go into the paint and mess with the big boys (although again I'm basing this on one preseason game so who knows how much it's really worth.)

One last question for you, if you don't mind. Do you think Danilo is going to play at all this season or that he's just going to be out so long that he won't really ever get a real chance to make an impact this year?
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9/30/2008  1:26 PM
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Fans and the media are putting too much into this witch hunt. D'Antoni doesn't give a **** and that's why he clashed with Sarver. Once he's been around a little longer and you see how he operates, you'll understand this a little better. He's going to play his guys and he's already told Dolan and Walsh as much.

Steph can stay on the roster all he wants. He can suit up. He can practice. He can talk to the media. Mike's not going to play him if Duhon looks anywhere near capable of running his offense, which he will. Nate will be the back up. Steph will be on the bench next to fat ass Curry. If Steph is in the starting lineup on opening night, it'll be because Duhon failed miserably. But given Chris' basketball IQ vs. Steph's, and Mike's comfort level with Chris after spending the summer with Coach K, I don't see that happening.

Steph doesn't need to be bought out or banished. He needs to be benched.

Is benching Marbury really a viable a solution? If he doesn't get PT he's going to complain and be a distraction.
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9/30/2008  1:38 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by nysportsfan11:

Fans and the media are putting too much into this witch hunt. D'Antoni doesn't give a **** and that's why he clashed with Sarver. Once he's been around a little longer and you see how he operates, you'll understand this a little better. He's going to play his guys and he's already told Dolan and Walsh as much.

Steph can stay on the roster all he wants. He can suit up. He can practice. He can talk to the media. Mike's not going to play him if Duhon looks anywhere near capable of running his offense, which he will. Nate will be the back up. Steph will be on the bench next to fat ass Curry. If Steph is in the starting lineup on opening night, it'll be because Duhon failed miserably. But given Chris' basketball IQ vs. Steph's, and Mike's comfort level with Chris after spending the summer with Coach K, I don't see that happening.

Steph doesn't need to be bought out or banished. He needs to be benched.

Is benching Marbury really a viable a solution? If he doesn't get PT he's going to complain and be a distraction.

I have to think that is the idea, once he start to complain they can then send him home for undermining the team or conduct detrimental to the team.
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