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Markji
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9/27/2008  9:33 AM
Posted by Hank:

McCain's experience 20+ years of public speaking showed tonight. He didn't stutter as much as Barack, his answers were more focus, and he did better a job anticipating and countering attacks. Kind of disappinted that Barack didn't do better a job explaining why he doesn't support the war in Iraq and why Americans shouldn't either. Obama tried to focus on too many reasons, when one or two detailed reasons would be more than enough.

My response was based on the second half of the debate. I didn't get to see/hear them talk about the financial issues, only tuned in after they started talking about Russia fighting Georgia.

[Edited by - hank on 09-26-2008 11:12 PM]
I agree with you on Obama's performance. I thought Obama would have spoken better. Stuttered way to much and kept tryng to defend himself against McCain's accusations. McCain spoke surprisingly well compared to his campaign speeches.

Obama did do better with laying out the facts and his reasoning. For this I give Obama a plus over McCain.

McCain had a good sound bite when he said "Senator Obama doesn't understand"..... But then he repeated that 7 times and he sounded way too rehearsed and petty. Must have been a rehearsed Karl Rove sound bite.

One thing I was waiting for Obama to say (I missed 5 or 10 min so he may have brought it up??) was when McCain kept referring to his own extensive experience in Foreign Affairs. Obama just touched on Biden's experience. But he should have gently followed through with McCain's VP choice having no experience in foreign affairs. If McCain thinks experience is so important, then if something happens to Obama, the country is in good hands with Biden. If something happens to McCain, his VP candidate has zero experience. (And Martin's video clip above really tells the story on Sara Palin).

I call the first debate even. Obama a little better on reasoning and facts. McCain a little better on presentation.

For financial buyout plan - see my reply on the AIG buyout thread. If you wonder why I am so anti-Bush and Republican administration, I stated some additional financial factual reasons not usually brought out in the articles.

Looking forward to the VP debate.
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9/27/2008  9:57 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

imho, i'm looking at two weak candidates that do not give me any confidence in fixing this country. i am not inspired by either guy. and i see alot of empty promises from both sides. i think there's a high chance that the winner of this election will last only one term...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-27-2008 12:54 AM]

A presidential candidate with empty promises?? What a shocker!!
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9/27/2008  10:12 AM
Posted by martin:



dig this shiot

I saw that live. I laughed and cried at the same time. Amazing that she has ascended this high. But that's the way our overall govt has operated. I can guarantee you across the land there are governors and senators that would have answers just as pathetic. and some of them have probably been in power for years. It's sad, but we no longer make our politicians earn the right.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 27-09-2008 10:13 AM]
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9/27/2008  11:19 AM
Re the Palin clip above: what's wrong with the answer she gave, from the point of view of Republican politics? The question was why bail out the institutions rather than the individual home owners. The response was basically trickle-down economics: bail out the institutions, they'll help create jobs and save the economy, which ultimately helps everyone.

Now, you can reject this theory as bull**** (mainly because it is), but honestly, what other answer would you expect a free-marketeer Republican to give?
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9/27/2008  11:49 AM
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9/27/2008  1:02 PM
Posted by izybx:

Putting aside whether or not the candidates were right or wrong on the issues, I think that when it came to foriegn policy Mac showed his superior knowledge. Obama could only fall back on the fact that he opposed the Iraq war. When it comes down to who is the superior candidate in dealing with foreign policy in the world that we currently live in, Mccain demonstrated to me that he is the better candidate. Granted, Im as biased toward my candidate as the majority of this board is toward Barry Obama, but its just my two cents.

I think McCain showed that he knows Bush's foreign policy strategy and intends to follow it. Obama plans to use our state department more than our military.
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9/27/2008  1:09 PM
Posted by martin:



dig this shiot

I LOVE SARAH PALIN. Hopefully, she will do this well next week and deliver the killing blow to McCain's campaign. They should hold the VP debate today. I hate that she has another week to crame.
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9/27/2008  4:22 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by martin:



dig this shiot

I LOVE SARAH PALIN. Hopefully, she will do this well next week and deliver the killing blow to McCain's campaign. They should hold the VP debate today. I hate that she has another week to crame.
I wish we had weekly VP debates!
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9/28/2008  7:41 AM
Posted by markvmc:

Re the Palin clip above: what's wrong with the answer she gave, from the point of view of Republican politics? The question was why bail out the institutions rather than the individual home owners. The response was basically trickle-down economics: bail out the institutions, they'll help create jobs and save the economy, which ultimately helps everyone.

Now, you can reject this theory as bull**** (mainly because it is), but honestly, what other answer would you expect a free-marketeer Republican to give?

Maybe, it is easy to misread the bailout's purpose. Essentially, it is a balance sheet matter. The investment companies assets and equity is at or near zero on their treasury shares and investment shares in other related companies. Basically having no value on paper at this moment. So their liquid ratio is at a all time low which would put them in serious jeporady to secure short or long term loans leaving them with no real working capital to operate. The bailout is an injection of funds to get them that working capital. It won't create jobs. If anything the bailout may prevent the loss of significant terminations, though I suspect that will happen since the workforce is an expense like anything else. I don't have a clue why she went off on a tangent about healthcare for taxpayers. I think she got her questions confused or something. To be fair to her, people in the media don't seem to be aware either. Chris Matthews got on Obama about not addressing the employment rate as it reflects to the bailout. They don't have anything to do with one another. There is no job creation from the bailout, just boosting of a company's balance sheet at the taxpayers' expense.
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9/28/2008  10:08 AM
Posted by martin:

^ "that's pathetic" hahhhhhhahahahahaha

its a insult to katie and the voting american public.

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9/28/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by martin:

^ "that's pathetic" hahhhhhhahahahahaha

its a insult to katie and the voting american public.

And there were people on this board a few days ago who were extolling how "smaaht" she was. The partisan support just makes the nation poorer as a whole.

As for the debate all I heard McCain say on the most important issue was his measly 18B savings from cutting earmarks would cure world hunger. The guy looked conceited, condescending and stupid. When Obama pointed out he had voted with Bush to remove regulations etc and needed to take responsibility for the economic crisis, his answer was he had voted against bush on whole bunch on non related **** that had nothing to do with the economy.

His so called foreign policy experience means throwing out names of leaders of ex-soviet states, while he probably still doesnt know the difference between Shiah and Sunni. Because in the republican handbook they are all labelled as Islamic Terrorists. Yes, he will be phenomenal when dealing with Iraq, that much is obvious.

How anyone with any degree of rational thought can convince themselves to vote for this pompous prick is beyond my comprehension. The guy represents a party that now wants to fund the bailout with private insurance!!! Someone needs to tell these mofos, that's what got us here. The bastards on Wall street "sold" these insurnace contracts to people who couldnt cover the downside. Now the effing republicans want to propose this as the solution! Go look up Credit Default Swaps on Google if you dont believe me.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1723152,00.html



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9/28/2008  1:17 PM
round 1: if not tied, i had obama narrowly ahead. but mccain did position himself for the jewish vote, the veteran, and the serving military.

round 2 should have different results.
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9/28/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by loweyecue:
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by martin:

^ "that's pathetic" hahhhhhhahahahahaha

its a insult to katie and the voting american public.

And there were people on this board a few days ago who were extolling how "smaaht" she was. The partisan support just makes the nation poorer as a whole.

As for the debate all I heard McCain say on the most important issue was his measly 18B savings from cutting earmarks would cure world hunger. The guy looked conceited, condescending and stupid. When Obama pointed out he had voted with Bush to remove regulations etc and needed to take responsibility for the economic crisis, his answer was he had voted against bush on whole bunch on non related **** that had nothing to do with the economy.

His so called foreign policy experience means throwing out names of leaders of ex-soviet states, while he probably still doesnt know the difference between Shiah and Sunni. Because in the republican handbook they are all labelled as Islamic Terrorists. Yes, he will be phenomenal when dealing with Iraq, that much is obvious.

How anyone with any degree of rational thought can convince themselves to vote for this pompous prick is beyond my comprehension. The guy represents a party that now wants to fund the bailout with private insurance!!! Someone needs to tell these mofos, that's what got us here. The bastards on Wall street "sold" these insurnace contracts to people who couldnt cover the downside. Now the effing republicans want to propose this as the solution! Go look up Credit Default Swaps on Google if you dont believe me.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1723152,00.html

As part of their package, the small republican house holdouts also proposed a tax cut on corporations, and further deregulation, I kid you not...Amazing...Look it up...
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9/28/2008  2:33 PM
Palin is Dan Quayle with a vagina.
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9/28/2008  5:58 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Palin is Dan Quayle with a vagina.
lol

I don't know. Quayle might have one up on her.......


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9/28/2008  7:55 PM
LOL. I remember that Nixon quote. Quayle was one of a kind but got blown away by W. Palin in mind blows them both away because it obvious that she isn't even familiar with the topics. Quayle and Bush were at least aware of the topic but are dumb as spit. I don't get that from Palin. I wouldn't call her dumb but just average. She has been coasting on looks for so long. Five colleges in 6 years should have been the first red flag for McCain vetting committee.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 09-28-2008 7:56 PM]
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9/28/2008  8:03 PM
BTW, did anyone else notice this during the debate. I originally thought he mouthed bull**** at Obama but my girlfriend told me right away what he said and she got it right.



[Edited by - pharzeone on 09-28-2008 11:29 PM]
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9/28/2008  9:36 PM
I think he said horse**** but yeah, I had missed that too. Good find.
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9/29/2008  8:27 AM
I had lost some respect for Mccain after he became the GOP puppet post-nomination. After debate 1, I lost all respect for him. I dont know how many of you noticed, but look at the whole video again posted on youtube under the channel CSPAN. Mccain did not address Obama even once. Always, Senator Obama believes or he believes to the PBS host, and in addition DID NOT EVEN LOOK AT Obama once during the debate.

If you cannot look me in the eye and say what you have to say, I have no respect for you.
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9/29/2008  9:28 PM
educate yourselves as to WHO is RESPONSIBLE for the financial mess we are in.


Learn about Alinsky,ACORN, Raines, and Jim Johnson. Then tell me about "change".

learn who got big $$ from Freddie and Fannie.

Learn when this all started (1977).

Learn who really benefited from this scandal. The same ones who are claiming they can fix it!

Then ask yourself what is going on here.

It's all a scam.

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