Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Marbury's in the best shape of his career? Man, I don't know. I'd say keep him until the trade deadline if that's the case. You should be able to get something for him or you could always buy him out then.

One observer said that he can sense the hate. Take that for what it's worth, but it's clear that his teammates just aren't comfortable around him. Like Nalod said, the trust is gone.

What exactly are we getting for him by the trade deadline? Is he really going to play THAT good and is he going to yield us an Andrew Bynum? I said Bynum, b/c it's in the Knicks best interests to get a player of that calibre in order to take back all the contracts we'll be taking in a trade involving him. His salary is over 20 million! Personally, I don't think we'll be able to get Bynum, so it's not worth it to me. Especially considering that the chemistry between him and the TEAM (Not just any one player or two) is absolutely shot.

Buy him out today.

Well a useless player in Penny Hardaway got us a mid 1st round pick for taking on one extra year in Jalen Rose. I'd have to think if we took on one extra year and Marbury was playing well, we could at least get a mid 1st round pick AND a good young player.

hmmm, wasn't penny traded (along with trev ariza) for steve francis? i thought it was antonio davis, who had been starting what, that year, the season before, who was in the rose & pick deal. but those years are hazy like a bad dream... and not that it refutes your point too much anyway. i disagree though, think steph's used up his chances and don't think trading him will net us a useful package on the whole.

Look steph always shows up at camp in shape bodywise but its his screwed up head we hafta think about.If Im Walsh and Dolan I tell him to go home and sit and collect our money. What do we have to lose if he just sits home? I dont let the thought even cross my mind that i would waive him and let another team( esp miami) pick him up to come back to the Garden and bite us in the ass!! Waiving him dont make sense!!DONNIE DONT WAIVE HIM!!! Tell him to go home and collect our money, it would hurt him more to sit than let him play for another team!!! AGREED??

Im thinking the knicks should "adopt a highway", say the Bronx river parkway and Let Isiah take the east side and Marbs the west.

Bonnie, Teams want Zhit and we have to give them a 1st round pick.

I really wanted Steph to succeed here. He blew his big chance to come home and be a hero. Ego's of athletes are unreal and Steph's biggest problem was his own ego. I don't like the idea of giving up a player making 21 mil, but in this case we really need to start moving on.

The entire attitude of the team will be completely different without him. I think in time Mike will be able to completely change the identity of this team and influence the young minds on this team for the better. It's time to move on.

hatters i tell ya.

Dumping Marbury now is 100% the way to go. I wasn't sure right away but I'm convinced now. We've heard he's in the best shape of his career. He's got something to prove. He wants a new contract. ---- NONE OF THAT WORKS IN OUR FAVOR! Here's why:

He's not part of this team's future. Not anymore. Forget the fact that every team he leaves manages to get better.... If we retained his services, this would turn out to be a year about him. Getting him HIS PT, HIS touches and HIS numbers so he gets HIS last payday. And then imagine if it didn't go that way, what a stink he'd make? Please. Enough already. Along the way, he'd get us some extra wins, sure, because he's talented. But that's not what we need now. Who cares if we win 30, 35 or even 40 games?? Seriously. What's the difference?? 40 games probably isn't even enough to get us into the playoffs - the East is a lot deeper than in past years. So what's the point? More wins but not enough wins is the worst thing for this franchise at this point - for any lesser NBA franchise that's rebuilding for that matter. It's NBA purgatory. We need to rid ourselves of Marbury now and start concentrating on what's important and what will help us:

(1) We have management and a head coach in place that players want to come and play for. A huge plus.
(2) We have a handful of young players that need to be developed at this point, win or lose. Developing young talent that you'll be counting on a few years from now, when you're ready and expected to win, should be the focus now. I can deal with losing, as long as I can see our young players developing on a nightly basis. We lost but Chandler had 30/15 with 3 blocks, Gallo went for 20 and looked smooth & healthy, Gallo and Chandler CAN play effectively together, Nate hit 5 threes and ran the offense, Mardy Collins had 8 dimes and 3 steals off the bench....that type of thing. This is another year where winning is not important. The focus now should be to play and develop these young guys to the point where they're ready to help that FA star (hopefully LeBron) when he gets here in a few years. Then and only then should the Knicks expect Ws. Shit, if everything breaks right and we assemble a team like that, I'll be the first one expecting wins.
(3) Continue to focus on the draft next summer. The more wins we get w/o making the playoffs severely hinders our draft position. That's the absolute last thing we need. We have our pick in 2009 then we surrender our 2010 1st to Utah. This 2009 draft is already shaping up to be a deep one. At the top, there will be big-time talent available at almost every position. Whether it's Hasheem Thabeet, Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holiday, Ricky Rubino, Blake Griffin, James Harden or DeMar DeRozan. It's important that we're right there in a position to get one of these guys.

Come up with a style of play & develop all of our young talent, be in position to grab the best draft pick possible next summer, hopefully acquire a pick in 2010 for ourselves somehow and clear enough cap room to get the best FA available coming up. That's should be the formula. Just stick to the formula. Notice how keeping Marbury and 'winning games now' has nothing at all to do with any of that...


[Edited by - finestrg on 09-23-2008 7:28 PM]