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Bonn1997
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9/19/2008  7:11 PM
Posted by oohah:
Who are we taking on for two years that

A) Makes the same $$$ as Marbury
B) Won't compain about not playing

Or are you saying we might have to trade Marbury for several players? In that case

C) Who are we cutting to make room for this package of players?
D) Dolan may not want to pay the added Lux tax anyway on that extra year.

I'm not speculating on a trade idea yet because I don't have one. However, reading your breakdown above it seems like you might think it is impossible to trade Marbury. I don't buy that at all. If Kwame Brown can be moved for Gasol, anything is possible, and I know for sure that big expiring contracts are very valuable.

If Marbury has anything left in his tank he'll be tradeable to a team looking to cut salary or acquire a PG to make a run at something. We may not get a great player for him, but who knows? Maybe we'll get a pick for him.

I am not for dumping assets in a rush. I am for looking for smart ways to use our assets. There ain't no chemistry to be ruined yet. I think the smart thing to do is bide our time and look for the right situation to move Marbury or Randolph.

oohah
Better reply than I could have come up with! I'm not gonna sit around and look up all possible combinations of salaries that add up to 85% of Marbury's. That's silly. The Kwame trade is a great example, though.
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9/23/2008  2:13 PM
So does that make Duhon the official starter? That should be interesting

Duhon
Crawford
Richardson
Randolph
Curry

Can a pass first point guard really fix this?
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9/23/2008  3:03 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

So does that make Duhon the official starter? That should be interesting

Duhon
Crawford
Richardson
Randolph
Curry

Can a pass first point guard really fix this?

Looks like a 19 win team.
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9/23/2008  3:28 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

So does that make Duhon the official starter? That should be interesting

Duhon
Crawford
Richardson
DLee
ZBO

Can a pass first point guard really fix this?

i think a pass first point guard, splitting the ZBO/Curry tandem and putting DLee and ZBO together and also having a real coach will help things. anyone expecting to make the playoffs this year should be slapped.
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9/23/2008  4:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:
Who are we taking on for two years that

A) Makes the same $$$ as Marbury
B) Won't compain about not playing

Or are you saying we might have to trade Marbury for several players? In that case

C) Who are we cutting to make room for this package of players?
D) Dolan may not want to pay the added Lux tax anyway on that extra year.

I'm not speculating on a trade idea yet because I don't have one. However, reading your breakdown above it seems like you might think it is impossible to trade Marbury. I don't buy that at all. If Kwame Brown can be moved for Gasol, anything is possible, and I know for sure that big expiring contracts are very valuable.

If Marbury has anything left in his tank he'll be tradeable to a team looking to cut salary or acquire a PG to make a run at something. We may not get a great player for him, but who knows? Maybe we'll get a pick for him.

I am not for dumping assets in a rush. I am for looking for smart ways to use our assets. There ain't no chemistry to be ruined yet. I think the smart thing to do is bide our time and look for the right situation to move Marbury or Randolph.

oohah
Better reply than I could have come up with! I'm not gonna sit around and look up all possible combinations of salaries that add up to 85% of Marbury's. That's silly. The Kwame trade is a great example, though.

the Kwame trade is a horrible example... the Lakers threw in 2 1st rounders & a pretty good young PG prospect to get that deal done... u really see us getting a player of Pau's calibre using Marbury's expiring w/o having to throw in other assets in the process?
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9/23/2008  4:57 PM
the Kwame trade is a horrible example... the Lakers threw in 2 1st rounders & a pretty good young PG prospect to get that deal done... u really see us getting a player of Pau's calibre using Marbury's expiring w/o having to throw in other assets in the process?

You're mean!

Anyway, the point is not that they are exactly the same, the point is that Brown was a player that nobody thought could be the centerpeice of a good deal (Actually a great deal for the lakers.) The first rounders are so late in the first round that they have greatly diminished value, and nobody knows what Crittenton really is yet.

Who knows, maybe we trade one of our albatross boys and sweeten it up with a good role player or two, and bang! Lebron James is in New York.

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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9/23/2008  5:08 PM
i'm sure we could get a pretty good player w/a maxed out longterm contract if we threw in even one 1st round pick along w/Wilson Chandler & Marbs' expiring right now... but the question is whether or not that would even be a smart move to make? what would a player like Pau do for us right now? we're in a rebuilding situation... we need to be focused on clearing cap space & building up our young players, which is exactly what MEM was focusing on when they made that trade to begin with.
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9/23/2008  5:47 PM
You're overanalyzing it. The point is expiring contracts are valuable assets that can be used to address team needs. You direct them toward whatever the team needs, which would obviously be different for the Lakers and the Knicks.
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9/23/2008  6:28 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You're overanalyzing it. The point is expiring contracts are valuable assets that can be used to address team needs. You direct them toward whatever the team needs, which would obviously be different for the Lakers and the Knicks.

no, i'm not overanalyzing... the point i'm making is that expirings are not necessarily all that valuable of an asset... it all depends on the player & on the dollar amount that's owed on the contract that year... u have to find a willing party that wants to unload a player worth having for any expiring to be valuable, & even then not many teams out there would want any part of Stephon Marbury's selfish antics unless they were either getting him at a drastic discount, or unloading some horrible contracts on us to begin with.

how valuable of an asset were Jalen Rose & Steve Francis for us? guys like Malik Rose may have some value as expirings, but it's rare to see players w/lots of baggage get traded for anything worth talking about straight up unless u're also throwing in other assets into the deal... if we're gonna be doing that we'd be much better off dumping Zach's contract instead & clearing up cap space.
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9/23/2008  8:01 PM
You guys are nuts absolutely nuts.

You want to buy a player out who's in the last year of his contract to basically gain more ping pong balls. He is in the best shape of his "knick career" and coming off the worst year of his nba career. Your simply not gaining anything other then making a few players on your squad ( who more then likely wont be here pass 2010) happy. Most people think we don't have a pray at winning more the 35 games with steph, and yet we will be much better with him gone.

You basically want to trade Zach, a top 10 pf (stick to your guns walsh) for a couple of non producing players because he's numbers don't indicate his worth. I think there was a quote that bury said regarding a max out player. Zach didn't get that contract because some one said "i think he can play pretty good". No one can't say Zach can't play or won't succeed in Mike D's system because we haven't seen him play. That would make you just as ignorant as the person who max him out base on a one good season and a lot of potential.

What do you have to lose by keeping steph. I mean really think about it. Most of you thinks 70% team stinks so why make them happier. There all of a sudden going to play .500 ball, Yeah right..
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9/23/2008  8:09 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

You guys are nuts absolutely nuts.

You want to buy a player out who's in the last year of his contract to basically gain more ping pong balls. He is in the best shape of his "knick career" and coming off the worst year of his nba career. Your simply not gaining anything other then making a few players on your squad ( who more then likely wont be here pass 2010) happy. Most people think we don't have a pray at winning more the 35 games with steph, and yet we will be much better with him gone.

You basically want to trade Zach, a top 10 pf (stick to your guns walsh) for a couple of non producing players because he's numbers don't indicate his worth. I think there was a quote that bury said regarding a max out player. Zach didn't get that contract because some one said "i think he can play pretty good". No one can't say Zach can't play or won't succeed in Mike D's system because we haven't seen him play. That would make you just as ignorant as the person who max him out base on a one good season and a lot of potential.

What do you have to lose by keeping steph. I mean really think about it. Most of you thinks 70% team stinks so why make them happier. There all of a sudden going to play .500 ball, Yeah right..

well put.

oohah

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9/23/2008  9:28 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

You guys are nuts absolutely nuts.

You want to buy a player out who's in the last year of his contract to basically gain more ping pong balls. He is in the best shape of his "knick career" and coming off the worst year of his nba career. Your simply not gaining anything other then making a few players on your squad ( who more then likely wont be here pass 2010) happy. Most people think we don't have a pray at winning more the 35 games with steph, and yet we will be much better with him gone.

You basically want to trade Zach, a top 10 pf (stick to your guns walsh) for a couple of non producing players because he's numbers don't indicate his worth. I think there was a quote that bury said regarding a max out player. Zach didn't get that contract because some one said "i think he can play pretty good". No one can't say Zach can't play or won't succeed in Mike D's system because we haven't seen him play. That would make you just as ignorant as the person who max him out base on a one good season and a lot of potential.

What do you have to lose by keeping steph. I mean really think about it. Most of you thinks 70% team stinks so why make them happier. There all of a sudden going to play .500 ball, Yeah right..


Good post.

I personally think its a mistake to let Marbs go.
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9/23/2008  9:42 PM
Not many expiring contracts attached to undesirable players are also attached to players with mental issues.

The Knicks won't be any better without Steph than they would have been with this healthy, motivated, in shape version (he looks like he's slimmed down even lower than 200) but it's easier to pay 1 guy to go away than it is to get rid of the 7-9 that can't stand him.

[Edited by - nysportsfan11 on 09-23-2008 9:46 PM]
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9/24/2008  9:07 AM
With this much talent somebody has got to make this work, there should be all types of motivation, from every which way. I don't think in the history of the league have the same 8 players fail 4 straight season with 4 different coaches. Thats when the whole fkg team should be brought out
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9/24/2008  9:18 AM
I am definitely torn on this whole situation, yesterday I was happy reading he would be waived but if he can FINALLY get his head on straight and help us win some games this year i'm all for it. At least he has been working out all summer and getting in shape unlike eddy fat **** curry
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9/24/2008  10:48 AM
Besides? How are we gonna make room for Ewing Jr, Houston, and for that matter, Robertson.
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9/24/2008  11:23 AM
Allanfan, we don't have to make room for those guys. If they can't win a roster spot, let them go.
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9/24/2008  4:44 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

You guys are nuts absolutely nuts.

You want to buy a player out who's in the last year of his contract to basically gain more ping pong balls. He is in the best shape of his "knick career" and coming off the worst year of his nba career. Your simply not gaining anything other then making a few players on your squad ( who more then likely wont be here pass 2010) happy. Most people think we don't have a pray at winning more the 35 games with steph, and yet we will be much better with him gone.

You basically want to trade Zach, a top 10 pf (stick to your guns walsh) for a couple of non producing players because he's numbers don't indicate his worth. I think there was a quote that bury said regarding a max out player. Zach didn't get that contract because some one said "i think he can play pretty good". No one can't say Zach can't play or won't succeed in Mike D's system because we haven't seen him play. That would make you just as ignorant as the person who max him out base on a one good season and a lot of potential.

What do you have to lose by keeping steph. I mean really think about it. Most of you thinks 70% team stinks so why make them happier. There all of a sudden going to play .500 ball, Yeah right..

yeah, because having guys like Marbs & Zach on this team have done so much good for our franchise... please... kick those guys to the curb & let's move on for Christ's sake... when will some of u guys learn?
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9/24/2008  6:47 PM
I never said resign them, I'm saying don't be dumb about the process in getting rid of them.
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9/24/2008  8:51 PM
buying Marbs out is dumb in what way? u think we'll be able to trade that guy for anything worth having? i don't... the only trade out there for Marbs is to take on more garbage contracts we don't want... just cut the damn chord already & move on... his era is symbolic of everything that went wrong w/this franchise... he needs to be far away from here this season.
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