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Finestrg
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9/8/2008  6:00 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!! Man, forget it. No way am I giving Memphis a first rounder AND a 20/10 PF still in his mid-20s (exactly what THEY need and want) AND pay some of his salary to boot. Sorry deal's off as far as I'm concerned. If that's the case, they've got some nerve. They should be giving us a 1st rounder for Christ Sakes.... I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!!

If this is the case, screw Memphis, let them go the full season with string bean Hakim Warrick playing the 4 for them and see how that works out. Stay the course, come back with Eddy and Zach (D'Antoni will figure it out - probably have to only play one on the court at a time), sit tight and let Zach build his value back up, and go out and get shot-blocker Justin Williams right now for the league minimum before someone scoops him up.


[Edited by - finestrg on 09-08-2008 6:02 PM]
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9/8/2008  7:13 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.
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9/8/2008  7:49 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

[Edited by - sebstar on 09-09-2008 03:42 AM]
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Finestrg
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9/8/2008  8:04 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, as the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

Exactly.
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9/8/2008  8:12 PM
Posted by TMS:

what happened to all the guys on this forum who claimed we could easily get back a 1st round pick & an expiring for Zach if we waited?

We've waited what, 3 months?
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Finestrg
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9/8/2008  8:22 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, as the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

Exactly.

And weren't some GMs thinking about filing a grievance with the league against the deal because it was so one-sided? Could be wrong, not sure, but I thought I remember something like this. Regardless, there were a lot of Western Conference GMs for playoff teams that were mighty pissed off over the trade - that I do remember.
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9/8/2008  8:24 PM
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, as the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

Exactly.

That may be why they are being tougher with us- they are compensating for what many of their fan base might have considered a poor trade (Gasol)by squeezing us. They might simply be trying to save face with their fans.

Hopefully, for our sake, they go along with the "original" trade concept, which did not, it would seem, include a #1 on our part.
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9/8/2008  8:30 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, as the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

gimme a break... if the Knicks were to have given up 2 future picks, a "midlevel prospect" like say, Wilson Chandler & an expiring for him you'd have people like BRIGGS & many others going ape**** that we gave up way too much...how do u figure the money is negligible when you're talking about gaining max cap space to sign an impact FA? if we were gaining cap space like that it would make a huge deal for many Knick fans... but because it was MEM that made the deal they gave up nothing... the hypocrisy on these forums never ceases to amaze me.

face it guys, Zach Randolph carries almost zero value around the NBA... for anyone to delude themselves that we can get valuable pieces for him in any trade before his contract becomes an expiring is reaching at some very small straws at this point.

[Edited by - TMS on 09-08-2008 5:33 PM]
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9/8/2008  9:55 PM
If the Knicks trade a 1st round pick to get rid of Randolph why not do the Clipper deal if it was a straight up salary dump. I still don't believe that was the trade but I think Donnie set his own price with that save face move. I mean are we saying that Darko is now worth a 1st round pick. No way he can make the same move now if he couldn't make it before. I hope he is not going to try to sale fans that Darko is worth a first round pick.
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9/9/2008  8:32 AM
I think the Clip tried to rob us as Memphis is trying to rob us, like everyone is going to try to rob us because our players have no value. They know we are desperate to get rid of our riff raff and will try to get whatever they can. We have no bargaining power right now and that is why we can't be in a hurry to dump these guys. Unless you want to straight cut the person we are operating in a period of weakness. Isiah was "great" in these situations, maybe we should ask for him back.
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9/9/2008  9:16 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Finestrg:
I swear, this team gives away Pau Gasol to the Lakers FOR NOTHING then turns around and trys to hold us hostage?!?!?! FU!!!!

they got 2 1st round picks, a promising young prospect in Crittendon & expiring contracts for Pau Gasol.

The picks are garbage, Critterdon is a mid-level prospect, and the money is negligible. Mind you this was for a really good player in his prime that resulted in, what was looked upon at the time, as the final piece of the Laker puzzle. Its confusing that now they are acting so tough for Darko of all players.

gimme a break... if the Knicks were to have given up 2 future picks, a "midlevel prospect" like say, Wilson Chandler & an expiring for him you'd have people like BRIGGS & many others going ape**** that we gave up way too much...how do u figure the money is negligible when you're talking about gaining max cap space to sign an impact FA? if we were gaining cap space like that it would make a huge deal for many Knick fans... but because it was MEM that made the deal they gave up nothing... the hypocrisy on these forums never ceases to amaze me.

face it guys, Zach Randolph carries almost zero value around the NBA... for anyone to delude themselves that we can get valuable pieces for him in any trade before his contract becomes an expiring is reaching at some very small straws at this point.

[Edited by - TMS on 09-08-2008 5:33 PM]

1) LA already had a superstar, and needed his sidekick. We would be putting all our eggs in
on basket like we did with Eddy.
2) There's a huge difference between the Knicks' 2 picks and LAs' 2 picks. If the Knicks
got Gasol, they would likely still not be any better than Memphis was with him, which is a
lottery team. As I said before, LA already had Kobe, so adding Gasol made a huge difference
and catapulted them into the playoffs. So we would have been trading away 2 top 10 picks,
and LA traded 2 picks in the late 20's.
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9/9/2008  9:19 AM
Posted by Paladin55:


That may be why they are being tougher with us- they are compensating for what many of their fan base might have considered a poor trade (Gasol)by squeezing us. They might simply be trying to save face with their fans.

Hopefully, for our sake, they go along with the "original" trade concept, which did not, it would seem, include a #1 on our part.


Well our management owes the same consideration to Knicks fans.
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9/9/2008  1:26 PM
It's not that our players don't have value. It's got more to do with our desperation to make change. If we were a winning team and trying to move the same players, teams would deal with us more fairly, which means that the players real value would be evident. That's why I like Walsh taking his time. He's showing that he's not as desperate as teams think we are.

I still don't believe that we MUST make a deal right now. If we wait things may change for some team out there and then they will be more desperate to get a player to help them win. We've got time on our side in terms of preparing for 2010. The chances are that even if we keep Zach, Mike will find a way to make him work better than we saw last year. This isn't the optimal situation, cuz we all would prefer to get a deal done now, but if we have to, waiting isn't the end of the world.
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Posted by nixluva:

It's not that our players don't have value. It's got more to do with our desperation to make change. If we were a winning team and trying to move the same players, teams would deal with us more fairly, which means that the players real value would be evident. That's why I like Walsh taking his time. He's showing that he's not as desperate as teams think we are.

I still don't believe that we MUST make a deal right now. If we wait things may change for some team out there and then they will be more desperate to get a player to help them win. We've got time on our side in terms of preparing for 2010. The chances are that even if we keep Zach, Mike will find a way to make him work better than we saw last year. This isn't the optimal situation, cuz we all would prefer to get a deal done now, but if we have to, waiting isn't the end of the world.

I am not interested in on the "arko twins". I think we should hold on to Zach, feature him like crazy so he averages 25/12, then try to trade him to somebody desperate later in the season.

I would prefer to move Curry before Randolph though.

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9/9/2008  1:44 PM
Posted by nixluva:

It's not that our players don't have value. It's got more to do with our desperation to make change. If we were a winning team and trying to move the same players, teams would deal with us more fairly, which means that the players real value would be evident. That's why I like Walsh taking his time. He's showing that he's not as desperate as teams think we are.

I still don't believe that we MUST make a deal right now. If we wait things may change for some team out there and then they will be more desperate to get a player to help them win. We've got time on our side in terms of preparing for 2010. The chances are that even if we keep Zach, Mike will find a way to make him work better than we saw last year. This isn't the optimal situation, cuz we all would prefer to get a deal done now, but if we have to, waiting isn't the end of the world.


So in summary, at this moment, for us, they have no value
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9/9/2008  1:51 PM
Alan hahn from newsday I guess posts on realgm.com.......he reports that Javaris is on the table now. The deal is in place and already signed off on the Memphis side.....looks like Donnie is protecting our intrests.....says donnie isn't high on javaris, and possibly would rather have warrick or lowry.

Its gonna be darko and marko and something for zach and a top "something" protected pick.

I can dig it......just do it already....just as long as 2009 pick is safe.
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9/9/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Alan hahn from newsday I guess posts on realgm.com.......he reports that Javaris is on the table now. The deal is in place and already signed off on the Memphis side.....looks like Donnie is protecting our intrests.....says donnie isn't high on javaris, and possibly would rather have warrick or lowry.

Its gonna be darko and marko and something for zach and a top "something" protected pick.

I can dig it......just do it already....just as long as 2009 pick is safe.

That's what Isiah did and all his trades sucked. I'm not the most patient person either but Walsh is doing it the right way. Plus I'm not giving them an unprotected 1st for Crittenton. That's crap. They better put in Walker instead of Jaric if they want that.
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9/9/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by nixluva:

It's not that our players don't have value. It's got more to do with our desperation to make change. If we were a winning team and trying to move the same players, teams would deal with us more fairly, which means that the players real value would be evident. That's why I like Walsh taking his time. He's showing that he's not as desperate as teams think we are.

I still don't believe that we MUST make a deal right now. If we wait things may change for some team out there and then they will be more desperate to get a player to help them win. We've got time on our side in terms of preparing for 2010. The chances are that even if we keep Zach, Mike will find a way to make him work better than we saw last year. This isn't the optimal situation, cuz we all would prefer to get a deal done now, but if we have to, waiting isn't the end of the world.

I am not interested in on the "arko twins". I think we should hold on to Zach, feature him like crazy so he averages 25/12, then try to trade him to somebody desperate later in the season.

I would prefer to move Curry before Randolph though.

oohah

Maybe then he'll have the same value he had when we acquired him for Frye and Francis! (Featuring him on offense won't improve his rebounds to 12/game, BTW.)
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9/9/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by nixluva:

It's not that our players don't have value. It's got more to do with our desperation to make change. If we were a winning team and trying to move the same players, teams would deal with us more fairly, which means that the players real value would be evident. That's why I like Walsh taking his time. He's showing that he's not as desperate as teams think we are.

I still don't believe that we MUST make a deal right now. If we wait things may change for some team out there and then they will be more desperate to get a player to help them win. We've got time on our side in terms of preparing for 2010. The chances are that even if we keep Zach, Mike will find a way to make him work better than we saw last year. This isn't the optimal situation, cuz we all would prefer to get a deal done now, but if we have to, waiting isn't the end of the world.


So in summary, at this moment, for us, they have no value

ROFL!
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9/9/2008  2:26 PM
People don't understand that you have to give to get. And when you're giving something really horrible to the other team, you're have to throw in A LOT of sweetner to make it feasible.
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