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oohah
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If Patrick Ewing Jr. was 7 feet tall, how good would he be?
Better than the real Patrick Ewing
About as good as the real Patrick Ewing
Worse than the real Patrick Ewing
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9/3/2008  5:38 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

cookdcokehop: I believe that you want this post to fade into Bolivan, not oblivion......Man some people need to study their Tyson speak more closely.

As for this thread: Worst thread in the history of the world. We are all dumber for having read it . don't worry Ooh Ahh you are still loved.

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9/3/2008  8:51 PM
There's a reason why 7'0 guys are not usually athletic. Its hard to be N8 robinson when you're built like Shaq. Thats a no-brainer.

Your argument is that you can take a shprt guy, slap on some height and he would be the same player, only better. Doesn't work like that. There are 1000s of 7 footers in the world and most of them aren't 1/10th as athletic as PE was in his day. 1000s of 7 footers and maybe .01% of them make the NBA let alone reach greatness.

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/4/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I'm so dumb that I post Stephon jokes on the Patrick Ewing thread.
awesome... totally awesome. I was with you man

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oohah
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9/5/2008  7:33 AM
My god fellows. And you say I take things too seriously. Have some fun. Or if you don't like it, then don't.

Jesus Christ.

Okay, now let me answer each of you individually.:
Oohah, if Shaq were 6'8", he'd be Larry Johnson (As a Knick) at best.

Dude, LJ was incredibly skilled. He was also 6'5" when measured at the draft. LJ had a ton more moves and shots than Ewing. Much better shooter as a young player too, much better shooter as an old player too as he became a 3 point specialist as an older player. But it is no comparison really because of center of gravity. 7 footers (almost) never can make moves like that.

So he wouldn't be anywhere near what LJ was. Let me think about it and I'll get back to you.
Don't take it personally but this is dumb! You are saying that a 6'2" player is more athletic than a 7'0". wow!

Yes, I am actually saying that shorter players in the NBA tend to be way more athletic than taller players in the NBA. Wow! You don't see that? Wow! Okay, then here is an exercise for you: find me 5 7 footers as athletic as Stephon Marbury. Then find me 5 guys 6'5" or less who are unathletic as Brad Miller.

And staaaaaaart now!
Then you are saying if you could take that 6'2" player, grow him 10" and keep his athleticism he will be better than the 7'0" player. Wow again.

Actually yes! I am saying exactly that!! If you don't believe this I am not sure if we are discussing the same sport! I will repeat it in my own words: If you take the average smaller player in the NBA and grow him, change nothing about him except his height, you will have a star player. this is because shorter players have to be much more athletic to get to the rim around the giants of the NBA, as well as have superior skills to make those shots.

On the other hand, nearly every team in the NBA has a 6'10" or taller player who can't dribble, pass, rebound, or make a shot from further than 1 foot from the basket.

And this is a "Wow" to you? You really think that the taller players in the NBA exhibit the same skill player as the shorter players? Have the same athleticism on the average?

I'll pick this up in a separate post.

oohah


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9/5/2008  7:45 AM
I started watching the Knicks in 1998 so maybe I don't know everything about Ewing, but I do watch NBA Classics and he is in the TOP 50 GREATEST PLAYERS ALL TIME!!!

Nobody loves Ewing more than me. Nobody. I watched him for his entire career. As a college player he was quite raw and relatively unskilled compared to the Ewing you saw. He was strong, tenacious and athletic.

Being a 50 greatest player may be due to being incredibly skilled, or it may be due to being incredibly physically talented (Or both.). Shall we use Shaq as an example instead? Dwight Howard? These guys are bodies first and foremost, not incredibly skilled players.
His son averaged 6 points per game for his college career. The trade was done out of respect for Ewing more than anything else. My 3 yr old niece can tell you that even if Patrick Ewing Jr. was 8 feet tall he will be nothing more than a Steven Hunteresque player. So the question is...is Steven Hunter better than Patrick Ewing???
His son averaged 6 points per game for his college career. The trade was done out of respect for Ewing more than anything else. My 3 yr old niece can tell you that even if Patrick Ewing Jr. was 8 feet tall he will be nothing more than a Steven Hunteresque player. So the question is...is Steven Hunter better than Patrick Ewing??? Or maybe if he was 6'5 he would be better than Crawford. Just don't respond so this thread can fade into oblivion and we can move on in this boring offseason. And I must be a terrible drug dealer if I am on my computer posting here or in class all day...


Steven Hunter, a raw player who can't make a layup? I don't think that is a good comparison for PE Junior, but okay. Steven Hunter only played 2 years of college where he averaged 9.9 points per game all on dunks. He was picked 15 despite his lack of skill. So I guess if PE J.R. had Steven Hunter Height he would have declared for the pros 2 years ago and been a first round pick. Do you see what I am saying?

This discussion was entirely a hypothetical in which we contemplate the impossible. You never said: "If I was 7 feet tall..."?

oohah

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9/5/2008  7:58 AM
There's a reason why 7'0 guys are not usually athletic. Its hard to be N8 robinson when you're built like Shaq. Thats a no-brainer.

Okay, I agree with you on that....
Your argument is that you can take a shprt guy, slap on some height and he would be the same player, only better.

Actually it isn't. It's very much like a Shaq Vs. Wilt Discussion. It's impossible and we're comparing apples to oranges. We already know that.

It's like as if I posed the question: If we dropped Jordan into the 60's would he have averaged 70 points per game?

And your answer is: "Doesn't work like that. There is no such thing as a time machine."

Doesn't work like that. There are 1000s of 7 footers in the world and most of them aren't 1/10th as athletic as PE was in his day. 1000s of 7 footers and maybe .01% of them make the NBA let alone reach greatness.

Exactly right!

But I am not comparing PE to every other 7 footer in the world, I am comparing him to his son who I would say has superior athletic ability to his father, handles the ball better and shoots better than Daddy Ewing at the same age. And if we could keep him just as he is, and grow his ass 4 inches to be like his pops, he would probably be pretty damn good.

I guess your counterpoint would be that realistically, P.E. Jr. Would probably be somewhat less athletic if he was 7 foot as opposed to 6'8" and not only that, would probably have developed a different game because 6'8" players tend to play different from 7 footers?

No kidding.

By the way, if we cut 4 inches off of P.E. Jr. he probably would be a pretty good power forward in the Maac.

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9/5/2008  8:48 AM
Your argument is that you can take a shprt guy, slap on some height and he would be the same player, only better. Doesn't work like that.

By the way, sometimes it does "work like that". Scottie Pippen as a Senior in High-schoool was 5'11" and 145 pounds. 4 years later he was 6'8". And he retained his athletic ability and skillset...and then he became a top 50 player ever.

http://www.mouthshut.com/review/Scottie_Pippen-35898-1.html

Dennis Rodman was 5'11" when he graduated high-school and he didn't even play basketball! He grew nine inches after school:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dennis_rodman/bio.html

So I guess we can speculate on what if [insert player here] grew 4-8 inches? And while it is a freakish longshot, it ahs happened before.

So what do you guys think, if P.E. Jr. grew 4 inches and retained his current level of athletic ability and skill (I don't think skill would diminish at all really.) just like what happened with top 50 player Scottie Pippen, would he be worse, as good, or better than his pop?

And what if Nate Robinson grew a foot by training camp? Would he be better than LeBron?

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2008 08:48 AM]
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9/5/2008  9:01 AM
This thread won't die. Guns and knives didn't work, time to find a priest
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9/5/2008  9:22 AM
Your argument is that you can take a shprt guy, slap on some height and he would be the same player, only better. Doesn't work like that.

Here's another one for you: 6' 5" David Robinson goes to the Naval Academy and is a freshman of little consequence for Navy. He grows 8 inches and becomes a top 50 player!

SO far we have 2 top 50 players for whom it "worked like that". Add to that one of the best rebounder and defensive players in teh history of the game in Dennis Rodman.

I am guessing that we can find quite a few similar stories if we look through NBA history. David Lee comes to mind.

I guess I am just crazy. Not quite as crazy as reality though...

oohah

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9/5/2008  10:03 AM
Charles Barkely:
http://archive.salon.com/people/bc/2000/05/30/barkley/print.html

"Barkley was not an athletic prodigy. He was, by all accounts, a shy, fat kid. Yet he always harbored a brash ambition. In 10th grade, pudgy and merely 5-foot-10, he failed to make his high school varsity squad. Still, he insisted to anyone who would listen that he was going to play in the NBA. He shot baskets every night, sometimes all night (if he could escape his grandma's strict, watchful eye) and cultivated his leaping skills by repeatedly jumping back and forth over a 4-foot chain-link fence.

A 6-inch growth spurt his senior year led to a scholarship at Auburn University, where he became known as "Boy Gorge" and "the Round Mound of Rebound." At 6-4 and close to 300 pounds, he'd rumble the length of the floor, dribbling behind his back, while taller, more sculpted opponents ran for cover."

Never happens, right?

Okay, now we have 3 top 50 players and one of the best rebounders and defensive players ever, who probably never would have made the NBA except that they enjoyed remarkable groqwth spurts, yet managed to retain their athletic ability and skillset that they developed at shorter heights.

By the way, Barkley, Pippen, and Robinson were all remarkable because they demonstrated abilities which are normally exhibited in shorter players in respect to their ball-handling abilities, agility, and shooting.

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2008 10:05 AM]
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9/5/2008  10:14 AM
How about a medicine doctor? Our priest doesn't appear to be working
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9/5/2008  10:28 AM
hey Oohah,

when I wrote my last post, I was actually agreeing with your points. I wrote "wow" because the points were so obvious that you think your revelations are earth-shattering. I was being sarcastic. This whole topic is ridiculous. THE WHOLE WORLD AGREES IF YOU TAKE NATE ADD 12"s TO HIM AND KEEP HIS ATHLETICISM THE SAME HE WILL BE A SUPERSTAR. . That is basketball, height is good. Enough of arguing this stupid point.
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Posted by BigRedDog:

hey Oohah,

when I wrote my last post, I was actually agreeing with your points. I wrote "wow" because the points were so obvious that you think your revelations are earth-shattering. I was being sarcastic. This whole topic is ridiculous. THE WHOLE WORLD AGREES IF YOU TAKE NATE ADD 12"s TO HIM AND KEEP HIS ATHLETICISM THE SAME HE WILL BE A SUPERSTAR. . That is basketball, height is good. Enough of arguing this stupid point.

Okay, I missed your sarcasm. At what point was I acting like my points were earth shattering? I thought they were quite obvious to anyone but it seems it isn't.

I was never arguing that height was good or bad even. Actually I wasn't arguing. I just posted a poll.

Back to the original question, if we slapped 4 inches on Baby Ewing without changing anything else, how would he compare to his Daddy?

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[Edited by - oohah on 05-09-2008 10:37 AM]
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9/5/2008  10:40 AM
Johnny "Red" Kerr, one of the great Chicago Bulls is a 6'0" soccer player, then grows nine inches as a senior:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Johnny_Kerr_-_Playing_Career/id/5192220
Although Johnny Kerr’s first passion was soccer, an eight-inch growth spurt during his senior year at Tilden Technical High School compelled him to turn his attention to basketball. The 6' 9" center soon led his school’s basketball team to the 1950 Chicago Public League

Big red Dog, the point I am making here to posters above is that sometimes, guys enjoy great growth spurt and retain the agility and skills they developed at shorter heights to become far better than average professional players.

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9/5/2008  10:44 AM
Clyde Drexler had a crazy growth spurt too...

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9/5/2008  10:46 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

How about a medicine doctor? Our priest doesn't appear to be working
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9/5/2008  11:05 AM
So DJ are you saying that I just need to stop posting and then this thread will slowly die? If that's what you are saying, you know I can't do it. I'm not satisfied unless I kill it, and this Oooh ahh character is a fighter, which motivates me more. Plus I have to get to 10K posts before basketballjones.
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9/5/2008  11:09 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

So DJ are you saying that I just need to stop posting and then this thread will slowly die? If that's what you are saying, you know I can't do it. I'm not satisfied unless I kill it, and this Oooh ahh character is a fighter, which motivates me more. Plus I have to get to 10K posts before basketballjones.

this is too much info in one post. you should break it up into 3 or 4 smaller posts.
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9/5/2008  11:11 AM
Mugsy Bogues became a star after he sprouted from 4'10" to 5'3" in one year...

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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

So DJ are you saying that I just need to stop posting and then this thread will slowly die? If that's what you are saying, you know I can't do it. I'm not satisfied unless I kill it, and this Oooh ahh character is a fighter, which motivates me more. Plus I have to get to 10K posts before basketballjones.

this is too much info in one post. you should break it up into 3 or 4 smaller posts.

LOL
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