Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Do you feel (Long island) that there was any difference in the country (or the world actually) under President Clinton's vs. Bush's leadership?

No, I believe that there is an agenda to be carried out each year and the government puts in whoever best fits a good speaker or someone who they know they can control.

So Bill would have carried out this Iraq War (and without any planning) and would have had these huge tax cuts for the rich had he been allowed to serve a third term?

Bill and Hillary are crooks! They are now and have always been crooks. Research more into them and their dirty tactics. Not good people. Liars. Watch on YouTube "The Video Hillary Clinton Doesn't Want You To See" and you'll see why they are crooks and it's backed up with video and audio evidence and facts!

You're answering a question I didn't ask. I asked nothing about whether they were crooks.

Posted by Nalod:

I was in Manhatten a few weeks ago and an Armenian cab driver wanted to talk politics. He really wanted to give me his view about Democrats, and he said he liked Clinton:

"Clintons, they a lie, they are liars, but they get things done!"

I gave him a nice tip as the moment of clarity was good.

This guy could not care less if she was a crook, at b!tch, or he a womenizer. His perception was they got things done.

Long ago I heard a quote: A great president does not have to be a good man, and a great man need not make a good president. Before Carter lost his mind, he was a good man, but an awful president. One might say after learning about Roosevelts affair with his secretary (look at Ellenor and you understand) he might be a great president and not a great man.

Maybe its time we put a lying cheating nasty man/women in the position and not care, so long as he is productive.

I like Obama. Just not sure he'll get it done. Regan was not even in the room for half his presidency and got it done. Im not saying I agree with all he did, but he was effective.

Nalod,

Clinton got things done if you aren't aware Bill Clinton can't run for President again. Hillary has achieved what exactly so your notion is empty statement at best.

Carter is a good man matter of fact he's too good of a man to be President of the United States. To this day Carter is working on Humantarian issues just this month he was in New Orleans speaking with Katrina refugees.

Reagan was effective in what exactly other then turning back the clock on government regulation/civil rights/social programs and falsley proclaiming that he brought down the Soviet Union?

A lying/cheating/nasty President are you familar with American History? Actual effectiveness of a President falls to the waste side while artificial issues remain at the forefront for selecting a president.

Posted by Nalod:

Bitty,

Bill was not running?

Reaganomics moved things forward. At a price.

He put the petal to the metal and stared down the soviet war machine more than once and found them empty. Thats what bought it down when he said it.

Im not gonna argue electing a scumbag for president, my point was more that we tend to elect whom we like or falls within our values (the jesus states in particular) rather than whom we think is most effective. Other countries don't care about whom its leader gets blown on the side, or steals a few mil here or there.

Last time I looked we have an idiot bafoon in the white house cuz he was more personable than Al Gore (Gore won, but W's "Folks speak" got him close enough to steal it).

This is an exercise of thought not to defend Reagans admin.

Yeah, he bashed down the unions which proved to be inflationary and wasteful. Sure it protected workers rights but it lost too many jobs to begin with. Yeah he b!tch slapped the air traffic controllers, sold blow to pay for things, and had George Herbert as his VP. Also he let the right wing religious zelots in the front door and they have not left.

Find a flawless presidency.

Pure democracy is an illusion for the middle class.

Posted by Nalod:

What would have landed him in prison? I forget.

I could through a list but to start off with look up the Truth Commission papers for Guatemala and El Salvador.

Posted by playa2:

And don't count on the Republicans being defeated on Nov. 7, with your vote or the fixing of the vote. Despot Bush's Rasputin, Karl Rove, may pull an October Surprise. Another 9-11, anyone?

Finally, if Despot Bush & Co. are allowed to remain in office, what makes you think they will leave on Jan. 20, 2009?

We the people have the power to do what the Declaration tells us we must do, if only we would exercise it. We don't have to resort to armed rebellion, either. We can bring the country to a halt with national strikes. A few of those and the leaders of Congress, be they Democrats or Republicans, will get the message, march into the White House and tell Bush, Cheney et al that it's over and hand them over to the US marshals to be, as former Ambassador Joe Wilson put it, "frog-marched" to the nearest jail cell to await trial for their crimes.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by BigC:

Posted by playa2:

And don't count on the Republicans being defeated on Nov. 7, with your vote or the fixing of the vote. Despot Bush's Rasputin, Karl Rove, may pull an October Surprise. Another 9-11, anyone?

Finally, if Despot Bush & Co. are allowed to remain in office, what makes you think they will leave on Jan. 20, 2009?

We the people have the power to do what the Declaration tells us we must do, if only we would exercise it. We don't have to resort to armed rebellion, either. We can bring the country to a halt with national strikes. A few of those and the leaders of Congress, be they Democrats or Republicans, will get the message, march into the White House and tell Bush, Cheney et al that it's over and hand them over to the US marshals to be, as former Ambassador Joe Wilson put it, "frog-marched" to the nearest jail cell to await trial for their crimes.

I don't think Obama will lose. Do you know the stock market goes up the next day if Obama becomes president?

Why is that or why do you say that?

Historically the stock market has done much better under Dem than Rep Presidents (and Democrats are foolish to have never mentioned this.) That said, no one knows what will happen on any *one* day.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

The better question is what flip-flopping has Ron Paul done? Here is your answer for Obama:

I don't see any flip flopping there. Flip flopping is where you take one position and then reverse it. There, he's just making compromises rather than seeing everything in black and white.

agreed. I don't know more people don't understand this.

Posted by LongIslandKnicksFan:

Posted by Silverfuel:

BTW: Please read about Barack Obama. This guy is not one of those 'born with a silver spoon in his mouth' privileged dudes. He worked his way to Columbia and Harvard Law. He did civil rights, taught constitutional law and Public Allies. He isn't a dumbass whose father has powerful friends. I dont think you are being fair about Obama. Are you just bitter that Ron Paul lost to McCain?

Silver, I do not think you understand. This has all been planned. They want people to think that they have a voice and say in a masked "democracy". Come on man, don't believe me but atleast look into what I am saying. Think about it - last twenty years have been Bush and Clinton. Clinton would bring bull**** as would Obama, McCain, Guiliani.

I find it amazing that people are not supporting Ron Paul, especially since he voted against the Patriot Act, against the war, wants the troops to come as soon as possible, get rid of the IRS, get rid of the Federeal Reserve, etc. Tell me if Obama or McCain have that type of idea. They do not.

It's going to take a long, long time for a independent party to get any kind of momentum in having a chance to ever take the White House and the issues that exist today, will not exist tomorrow, so later, they may not matter as much. Democrat -Republican parties have had the stage since it all started. There should be no surprise why someone like Ron doesn't get much notice.

But I must also say that Obama who will definately bring change, will not only do it as a black man or whoever stands by his side, but he will bring that change for the future Presidents of this country. Do you think we should abolish the Presidency? And come up with a new panel of leaders, with a speaker instead? Something that represents everyone?