Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by BRIGGS:

--->I don't usually propose trades, just react to legitimately possible ones, and actually, the Memphis trade rumor has been discussed before in this forum

Im sorry I guessed you missed the actual title of the thread. It had to do with a *Cleveland* writer on the Cavs trying to acquire a big from the Knicks.

I think I just wrote that poorly- sorry if it was misunderstood- not even sure what I was getting at when I look at it now, actually. You do have a somewhat ah... colorful way of reacting to things based on you original reaction to my post, though.

On the trades. Basically I was trying to say that if you compared the trades, the Memphis one might be better, even if it's far from perfect. The Wallace/Snow/#1 for Crawford/Zach mentioned by someone else is also not happening, and the Cavs might not even be willing to depart with a #1 anyway.(From the Knicks side a Cav #1 would almost be like a two, because you would be helping the Cavs out so much.) Also, people shouldn't even think that the Cavs would offer Hickson for any of the guys we have to offer. Won't happen in a million years, my friend. He will be a cornerstone player for them- a classic rebounding PF with a midrange shot.

Add to this the fact that Walsh would simply not do the Wallace/Snow for Zach at this point- it would really seem that we were tanking this year if you got rid of Zach for what amounts to a 25+ #1 pick. How do you think the Knicks' players will react if they think management is throwing in the towel for this year. I also think that Walsh is aware that he is under a lot of scrutiny from fans, the media, etc., and I don't think the guy wants to lose face by continuing the type of mismanagement that went on during the Isiah years. He also doesn't want the other players on the Knicks thinking that this is a lost season already. How are we going to attract free agents if they see the Knicks as the joke they have been in recent years?

- he has even said that in his public statements. Balkman had very little value. Randolph, Lee, Curry (assuming he is in shape), and Crawford have value, and they are all 28 yrs old or less. If the Cavs are looking for a big man, that means they want something, and that means the something they want has value to them. Why not get as much as you can- not just expiring contracts and shot players like Wallace and Snow.

I would prefer the Memphis trade, even if Jaric's contract expires in 2010-11. Don't know what Memphis sees in Zach, if they really do want him, but I can live with what we get back in that trade. Just don't think of Milicic as the #2 pick in the draft- or any of the great players Detroit passed on to take him- think of him as a 15-20MPG backup center.


[Edited by - Paladin55 on 08-18-2008 3:05 PM]

Posted by BigSm00th:

jarvis hayes is not a backup PG.

Posted by Markji:

If this goes down it should be either:
Zach and Mardy for Wally and JJ Hickson + 1st round 2009
...........or
Zach and Mardy for Ben W and Boobie and 1st round 2009.
on Edit - I think Cleveland would try to do a sign and trade with Delonte West and offe him instead of Daniel Gibson.

In dealing with the Cavs, we have to remember that they want to win NOW.

Ben Wallace's contract is $14.5 million this year and $14 million in 2009/10. Ben is 34 years old in Sept and played 26 min/game for Cleveland. 7.4 rebounds/game. 1.4 assists/gam lifetime. The Cav's would love to "dump" his contract for a younger PF who rebounds and scores.
Also Wally Sz is 31 years old and played 22 min/game for Cleveland last year. 8.2Pts/game. At $13 million for next year, that's expensive. The Cav's would also like to dump his salary.

Zach played 32.5 min/game - scored 17.6ppg and 10.3rebounds. Also 2 assists/game last year and lifetime. He just turned 27.

Basically, we are in a good position for trading. We don't have to dump Zach. He is a far superior player at this point in time to either Ben or Wally. Cleveland needs Zach more than we need to dump Zach. To get him they will have to add some pieces. More than their #1 pick for 2009 which will be a very late pick.


[Edited by - markji on 08-18-2008 6:47 PM]

Posted by Finestrg:


Make Ferry sweat this out a little and keep your poker face. Any deal with the Cavs would have to net us either Daniel Gibson, JJ Hickson or their first rounder in the '09 draft. Absolutely essential to get at least one of these three assets back in return and I got news for ya, I don't even think that's asking for much here. Otherwise this whole thing shouldn't even get off the ground. Walsh knows this, and I think he'll wind up doing a decent job here with any trade involving Zach.

Posted by nyk4ever:

I saw this myself Fine.

The idea that this paper is tossing out there has been proposed a bunch of times on this forum (shutup eVil, TMS ) I think it'd be a great deal for both teams. If there is one player that is going to keep Zach Randolph in check, it's going to be LeBron James, so I think Zach would be a huge asset for them since he'd be in a winning situation and BronBron would keep him in check.

Fine, I like both of the trades you proposed and would do either one, I'd like to add one that I think would help the Cavs a ton, could be a pipe dream, but oh well I am allowed.

Crawford/Zach for Ben/Wally/1st rounder

Either way, I think we can get something done with the Cavs and I think it's going to include Zach.