funny but i have a feeling none of my African American friends would appreciate me painting my face black or using the N word anytime soon... these idiots just keep making fools of themselves w/this crap & trying to defend their reasoning behind it... it's a joke.

I find it really really REALLY unfortunate your reactions about that "picture" from Spanish team. Everyone can feel offended for what they want, so, as TMS is asian, I suppose his feelings about this are more relevant, though I strongly disagree with his view about what in my eyes (and many more eyes) is an amicable gesture with sole meaning of trying to be friendly with the asian people. A parody or offensive thing would have been, for example, getting some people wearing a mask with asian features trying to eat rice with sticks (with no success) and a gong behind them making noise. Way more than 50% is against bull-fighting in Spain, yet you and every other country that paints a Spanish citizen has that image in main... I agree that Spain has some issues with racism which I hate, BUT IMO USA and even less England are not in a position to claim anything about it.
What I find more disturbing about this whole thing is that the ones who have "acussed" Spain are the American and English media, not the Asian media, who are the ones supposed to do so. I could say a couple of things that I have in mind explainning this fact, but I love this forum and respect everyone here, and I dont want anyone to take it too much seriously, so I wont. Im not anti-American nor I have ever been. But on a minor note, I would like to stress that IMO what some of your players did in Japan 2 years ago was way more unfortunate than what the Spanish basketball team did.



Doing this in a country where the Americans threw 2 atomic bombs was probably one of the most annoying things to do IMO, and Im not the only one who felt this way, yet noone said anything against it.


From a basketball point of view, I hope we see a great match today, really. I hope its the a little show before the finals that we both will play next week. I dont like the fact that most of your baskets are fastbreaks, because that wont be that easy against us, we have a great coach, so I would be surprised if he lets you do it so often as you have been doing. For the rest I am impressed with your defense, which leads to those fast breaks. If you had another skilled big man I think there is no way you could lose.

About Spain, we are not very fluid on offense lately, defense is what has won games for us. Ricky Rubio (18 years old), Rudy and Pau have been the ones leading us. Watch out for Ricky defensive skills, he steals a lot of balls and puts lots of pressure on the rivals PG. rudy is turning over the ball a lot with stupid passes but he is in better shape than Navarro as SG, and Garbajosa is finished... this guy should be in the paralympics! he cant move nor shoot nor anything. Marc has been disapointing too, but agains your kind of weak frontcourt he may have a good game.

I hope to see a good game!

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 09:52 AM]

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 10:02 AM]

Back to the subject. I'm pretty sure that the reaction of the Chinese in China is different than the reaction of Asian Americans because they come from different cultures. I don't think Asian Americans or anyone else should apologize for being offended by this. And I don't think anyone has the right to ask them not to be.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I find it really really REALLY unfortunate your reactions about that "picture" from Spanish team. Everyone can feel offended for what they want, so, as TMS is asian, I suppose his feelings about this are more relevant, though I strongly disagree with his view about what in my eyes (and many more eyes) is an amicable gesture with sole meaning of trying to be friendly with the asian people. A parody or offensive thing would have been, for example, getting some people wearing a mask with asian features trying to eat rice with sticks (with no success) and a gong behind them making noise. Way more than 50% is against bull-fighting in Spain, yet you and every other country that paints a Spanish citizen has that image in main... I agree that Spain has some issues with racism which I hate, BUT IMO USA and even less England are not in a position to claim anything about it.
What I find more disturbing about this whole thing is that the ones who have "acussed" Spain are the American and English media, not the Asian media, who are the ones supposed to do so. I could say a couple of things that I have in mind explainning this fact, but I love this forum and respect everyone here, and I dont want anyone to take it too much seriously, so I wont. Im not anti-American nor I have ever been. But on a minor note, I would like to stress that IMO what some of your players did in Japan 2 years ago was way more unfortunate than what the Spanish basketball team did.



Doing this in a country where the Americans threw 2 atomic bombs was probably one of the most annoying things to do IMO, and Im not the only one who felt this way, yet noone said anything against it.


From a basketball point of view, I hope we see a great match today, really. I hope its the a little show before the finals that we both will play next week. I dont like the fact that most of your baskets are fastbreaks, because that wont be that easy against us, we have a great coach, so I would be surprised if he lets you do it so often as you have been doing. For the rest I am impressed with your defense, which leads to those fast breaks. If you had another skilled big man I think there is no way you could lose.

About Spain, we are not very fluid on offense lately, defense is what has won games for us. Ricky Rubio (18 years old), Rudy and Pau have been the ones leading us. Watch out for Ricky defensive skills, he steals a lot of balls and puts lots of pressure on the rivals PG. rudy is turning over the ball a lot with stupid passes but he is in better shape than Navarro as SG, and Garbajosa is finished... this guy should be in the paralympics! he cant move nor shoot nor anything. Marc has been disapointing too, but agains your kind of weak frontcourt he may have a good game.

I hope to see a good game!

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 09:52 AM]

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 10:02 AM]

So if an American is offended by something he needs to keep his trap shut unless the Chinese are offended by it too. In our culture many find this offensive and this is perfectly fine. It's our culture and we should hold no apologies for it, just like you have not held any apologies for the actions of the Spanish players. It's all opinion and everyone should have a chance to express it.

There are millions of things that Americans do on a daily basis that we do not find offensive or wrong. For instance there is this thought in many European countries that Americans are loud and obnoxious. This may be a very valid opinion that I do not disparage. But us Americans are not offended by our own "loudness and brutish nature". So by your logic Europeans should not comment on it.

I personally find what the Spanish team did offensive. I don't care if the Chinese do, or if TMS does, I find it offensive. I have no problem saying this.

I dont understand where are you going? You think the Spanish team supposedly offended the asian people with that picture, and the fact is that barely anyone from Asia is complaining about it. What does it have to do with the perception that supposedly some pople have from Americans and us not being able to express it?¿?¿? Of course you can say that you find it offensive, even if you are not right, you can say whatever you want!
Who said you have to apologize for anything?¿? I just meant that to me you are making a big deal out of nothing and just trying to make something amicable look bad, but thats your opinion, Ive got nothing to argue with that, but it is more than strange (to say the least) that, like I said before, is just the american and English media the ones complaining about it... I also have my own right to think about it as a kind of strategy to criticize the Spanish team and get "something" out of it.

And really, I apologize if I said something wrong, which I think I did not. I would appreciate if you could tell me what is what you find that offensive in that picture?? Just curious. Im almost known as "anti-patriotic" in my country for criticizing everything we do politically or whatever and I cant find anything out of place in the picture, nor a single racism nor mocking related thing.

Good luck for the game

WAde looks amazing. Miami is going to matter again this year....

if the US plays defense this way, they will get gold for sure..

Posted by tkf:

WAde looks amazing. Miami is going to matter again this year....

if the US plays defense this way, they will get gold for sure..

That's what I'm saying. Wade looks like the truth. Everyone talking about how it's gonna be the Lebron sweepstakes is seriously undervaluing Wade. He's becoming my favorite NBA player right now. I'd LOVE him on the Knicks.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by DarkKnicks:

I find it really really REALLY unfortunate your reactions about that "picture" from Spanish team. Everyone can feel offended for what they want, so, as TMS is asian, I suppose his feelings about this are more relevant, though I strongly disagree with his view about what in my eyes (and many more eyes) is an amicable gesture with sole meaning of trying to be friendly with the asian people. A parody or offensive thing would have been, for example, getting some people wearing a mask with asian features trying to eat rice with sticks (with no success) and a gong behind them making noise. Way more than 50% is against bull-fighting in Spain, yet you and every other country that paints a Spanish citizen has that image in main... I agree that Spain has some issues with racism which I hate, BUT IMO USA and even less England are not in a position to claim anything about it.
What I find more disturbing about this whole thing is that the ones who have "acussed" Spain are the American and English media, not the Asian media, who are the ones supposed to do so. I could say a couple of things that I have in mind explainning this fact, but I love this forum and respect everyone here, and I dont want anyone to take it too much seriously, so I wont. Im not anti-American nor I have ever been. But on a minor note, I would like to stress that IMO what some of your players did in Japan 2 years ago was way more unfortunate than what the Spanish basketball team did.



Doing this in a country where the Americans threw 2 atomic bombs was probably one of the most annoying things to do IMO, and Im not the only one who felt this way, yet noone said anything against it.


From a basketball point of view, I hope we see a great match today, really. I hope its the a little show before the finals that we both will play next week. I dont like the fact that most of your baskets are fastbreaks, because that wont be that easy against us, we have a great coach, so I would be surprised if he lets you do it so often as you have been doing. For the rest I am impressed with your defense, which leads to those fast breaks. If you had another skilled big man I think there is no way you could lose.

About Spain, we are not very fluid on offense lately, defense is what has won games for us. Ricky Rubio (18 years old), Rudy and Pau have been the ones leading us. Watch out for Ricky defensive skills, he steals a lot of balls and puts lots of pressure on the rivals PG. rudy is turning over the ball a lot with stupid passes but he is in better shape than Navarro as SG, and Garbajosa is finished... this guy should be in the paralympics! he cant move nor shoot nor anything. Marc has been disapointing too, but agains your kind of weak frontcourt he may have a good game.

I hope to see a good game!

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 09:52 AM]

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 16-08-2008 10:02 AM]

So if an American is offended by something he needs to keep his trap shut unless the Chinese are offended by it too. In our culture many find this offensive and this is perfectly fine. It's our culture and we should hold no apologies for it, just like you have not held any apologies for the actions of the Spanish players. It's all opinion and everyone should have a chance to express it.

There are millions of things that Americans do on a daily basis that we do not find offensive or wrong. For instance there is this thought in many European countries that Americans are loud and obnoxious. This may be a very valid opinion that I do not disparage. But us Americans are not offended by our own "loudness and brutish nature". So by your logic Europeans should not comment on it.

I personally find what the Spanish team did offensive. I don't care if the Chinese do, or if TMS does, I find it offensive. I have no problem saying this.

I dont understand where are you going? You think the Spanish team supposedly offended the asian people with that picture, and the fact is that barely anyone from Asia is complaining about it. What does it have to do with the perception that supposedly some pople have from Americans and us not being able to express it?¿?¿? Of course you can say that you find it offensive, even if you are not right, you can say whatever you want!
Who said you have to apologize for anything?¿? I just meant that to me you are making a big deal out of nothing and just trying to make something amicable look bad, but thats your opinion, Ive got nothing to argue with that, but it is more than strange (to say the least) that, like I said before, is just the american and English media the ones complaining about it... I also have my own right to think about it as a kind of strategy to criticize the Spanish team and get "something" out of it.

And really, I apologize if I said something wrong, which I think I did not. I would appreciate if you could tell me what is what you find that offensive in that picture?? Just curious. Im almost known as "anti-patriotic" in my country for criticizing everything we do politically or whatever and I cant find anything out of place in the picture, nor a single racism nor mocking related thing.

Good luck for the game

My mother in law is Asian American and is extremely offended by the picture. There are many in the states that feel the same way. This is why the American papers are reporting on it. Because in our country to some this is offensive. Personally I don't care what the Spanish team does anymore than I care what some team in Minnesota does. But I understand why the US papers have responded to it. Because here, we wouldn't do that. In Spain they obviously would.

Posted by DarkKnicks:

Fine Bippity, I suppose it was obious that in the end this would end as "We are better than you -> We would not do it, you would", so I leave it at that because I hate that kind of debates.



[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 17-08-2008 1:10 PM]

It sounded that way but that was not my intention at all, so relax dark Knight

As for the game, we kicked your asse on behalf of Asian people everywhere