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Cosmic
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7/29/2008  8:40 AM
Posted by TMS:



sure ur not.

What now... can't react to moves my favorite team makes unless it's emphatic applause?

Well, trust me, nobody will be clapping over anything Drunkhon or Chuckerson does on the court this season.... and spending nearly 50M dollars over two years on an eventual 2nd round 2010 pick isn't going to be poured over in GM School as a model of financial responisibility.
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7/29/2008  8:44 AM
Funny how the Bulls stunk when Duhon left the starting lineup. He was replaced by a superior player in every facet yet the Bulls lost more games.

Anyway it may take two years just to purge this roster... and Duhon didnt cost them anything and he's movable.
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7/29/2008  9:06 AM
Posted by fishmike:

Funny how the Bulls stunk when Duhon left the starting lineup. He was replaced by a superior player in every facet yet the Bulls lost more games.

Anyway it may take two years just to purge this roster... and Duhon didnt cost them anything and he's movable.

I don't think the problem was Duhon leaving the lineup but that the Bulls always seemed to have better overall success as a team with Gordon off the bench regardless of who you plugged in his place.
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7/29/2008  9:41 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by TMS:



sure ur not.

What now... can't react to moves my favorite team makes unless it's emphatic applause?

Well, trust me, nobody will be clapping over anything Drunkhon or Chuckerson does on the court this season.... and spending nearly 50M dollars over two years on an eventual 2nd round 2010 pick isn't going to be poured over in GM School as a model of financial responisibility.

react all u want, doesn't make much of a difference to me... just saying ur making a big deal of these moves so not sure why ur saying ur not.
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7/29/2008  10:07 AM
Trading Balkman sure does look dumb on the surface. He's one of the only players who defends and hustles, can outlet, push the ball and he's gotta be the fastest player outside of Nate. Maybe MikeD isn't a great coach if he couldn't find a way to make him fit the system.

I'm hearing Carmello rumors, but I can't figure out how that could be true. I'm just praying that the Balkman trade is part of something bigger.
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7/29/2008  10:33 AM
Everyone loves starphuching GM monster trades that can give the buzz of hope.....

What walsh did was turn Balky, who really does not have the skill set D'antoni wants for 3 non financial assets. We can trade Green and Walsh and let someone else waive them or keep them. They are trade fodder if we need to move 1.3 mil of salary. Balky is a playing asset who might fit in somewhere.

Duhan is an Isley type of player who won't hurt us either financially or on the court. He is solid. Nothing more, nothing less. Pair him with Nate, Craw, or Roberson and he fits. Perimeter defense. Roberson will play 15min a game.

I think JJFats gets released, and JJSkinny is actually going to have a good season with us if he sticks.

The only reason I want ZDumb gone is he does not add value to Eddy, who can be very effective in the right system. Not Isiahs dumb system. Larry had the Kid on the right track.

Balky is Isiahs way of trying to get a Rodman Type player who fits a role on a system he is trying to fulfil. This is MikeyD's team now, so waive Buh, Bye. I like the kid but he is a space cadet and did well on an awful team. With a team of shooters, Balky is never gonna have his number called, but he will help Denver off the bench doing what Balky does best.
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7/29/2008  10:35 AM
balkman vs. gallinari coming soon to a nuggets/knicks game near you...
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7/29/2008  10:47 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Everyone loves starphuching GM monster trades that can give the buzz of hope.....

What walsh did was turn Balky, who really does not have the skill set D'antoni wants for 3 non financial assets. We can trade Green and Walsh and let someone else waive them or keep them. They are trade fodder if we need to move 1.3 mil of salary. Balky is a playing asset who might fit in somewhere.

Duhan is an Isley type of player who won't hurt us either financially or on the court. He is solid. Nothing more, nothing less. Pair him with Nate, Craw, or Roberson and he fits. Perimeter defense. Roberson will play 15min a game.

I think JJFats gets released, and JJSkinny is actually going to have a good season with us if he sticks.

The only reason I want ZDumb gone is he does not add value to Eddy, who can be very effective in the right system. Not Isiahs dumb system. Larry had the Kid on the right track.

Balky is Isiahs way of trying to get a Rodman Type player who fits a role on a system he is trying to fulfil. This is MikeyD's team now, so waive Buh, Bye. I like the kid but he is a space cadet and did well on an awful team. With a team of shooters, Balky is never gonna have his number called, but he will help Denver off the bench doing what Balky does best.

You mean we went through four years of Isiah just so we could get back to having an "Eisley type of player"?

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7/29/2008  10:54 AM
Posted by TMS:

i'd take Duhon on my team even if we weren't rebuilding... i think he's a nice bench player to have... he plays unselfishly & has pretty good fundamentals... i don't see how Walsh made a bad move in signing him to a 2 year deal even if he may have overpaid by a mil or so... who the hell cares? it doesn't effect our cap situation whatsoever... i woulda understood if we'd thrown the full MLE at the guy over 4 or 5 years, but that didn't happen here.

Agreed. This Duhon signing is so minor I don't understand what the uproar is. We signed a back-up PG to a short contract with as you said "no effect on the salary cap" and the fans are complaining like we just signed Kwame for 10 years 800 million. The fans just want a big name. If they dont' see a big name attached something must be wrong. A few months in to the process I can't for the life of me beleive that fans actually think that signing Duhon and trading Balkman are signature moves. We have a loong way to go.

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7/29/2008  10:56 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
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I can guarantee that if you look at the moves in a vaccuum during the first few months of Dantoni and Walsh's tenure they won't make sense. If they still aren't making sense a year from now than complain. But right now, it doesn't make sense. Let the two guys at least try to implement a plan before we kill them.

What if it comes out in the paper that Balkman was disliked by his teammates. Would it make sense then. Maybe Dantoni doesn't see a fit for him on his team and demand was low. Would that make sense. Maybe they are positioning the roster for a future trade. Would that also make sense. Again, a year from now, complain. But after 7 years of nonsense if you are expecting big deals this early in the game then you are probably stuck in the Isiah Thomas/Layden mentality. This will be a looooooong PROCESS for us.

I'm not looking to kill them over it but they just seem like unneeded moves that accomplish little to nothing so far.

I hear you man, that's why I'm not going to get all bent out of shape over a few minor roster moves. They are inconsequential and SEEM unneeded. So I'm going to assume that Walsh and Dantoni aren't idiots and have a reason for the moves. Just because I don't know what it is, doesn't mean there isn't a plan. Again a year from now if we are still rudderless I can understand some questioning. But 3 months into a plan that just replaced 7 years of incompetence and fans are biotching is beyond me. I'm starting to think that we are as bad as everyone says we are.


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7/29/2008  11:01 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
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This Duhon hysteria is borderline crazy. Duhon is the kind of guy you sign to a short term contract when you are REBUILDING. We as fans refuse to think we are. He plays hard on the court and helps us change our culture. Plus, most likely he is a back-up at best two years from now.

I'm pretty sure these guys looked at the pool of PG's and said there is noone that can take us to the next generation of Knicks without overspending. Let's try a stopgap. End of story.

Again, what's wrong with letting Mardy, Nate, Crawford hold down the fort until 2010? Why add Duhon and Roberson? They both stink and they don't change the culture here. Completely unneeded moves that's why there's hysteria over it.

Anyone that would rather watch Duhon/Roberson run the point instead of players we already know and a number of us like in Nate, Collins, Crawford.......comes from a place I just don't understand.

Every coach wants his own players. I think we learned that when Larry Brown was here.

As far as the point is concerned why do you assume that Duhon and Roberson are being handed the keys to the PG position? Simply because they were signed? Not one player on this roster is the PG of the future for us. When we are competing not one of the five will be the starter. So why not make them compete for the job? How does it hurt us to see the five battle and try to improve their games. Why not give ourselves more flexibility trade wise since none of them have distinguished themselves? If someone is interested in one of the five we can actually trade one without losing more than a back-up at the PG position? You can't look at these moves in a vaccuum and as if they are designed to help us compete for something big. It is going to take a while for us to be good and someone will be manning that position that will make you forget about all five of them if we play our cards right. When you rebuild, this is what happens.
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7/29/2008  11:01 AM
i always thought duhon would start at center...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 07-29-2008 11:02 AM]
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7/29/2008  12:42 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:

i'd take Duhon on my team even if we weren't rebuilding... i think he's a nice bench player to have... he plays unselfishly & has pretty good fundamentals... i don't see how Walsh made a bad move in signing him to a 2 year deal even if he may have overpaid by a mil or so... who the hell cares? it doesn't effect our cap situation whatsoever... i woulda understood if we'd thrown the full MLE at the guy over 4 or 5 years, but that didn't happen here.

Agreed. This Duhon signing is so minor I don't understand what the uproar is. We signed a back-up PG to a short contract with as you said "no effect on the salary cap" and the fans are complaining like we just signed Kwame for 10 years 800 million. The fans just want a big name. If they dont' see a big name attached something must be wrong. A few months in to the process I can't for the life of me beleive that fans actually think that signing Duhon and trading Balkman are signature moves. We have a loong way to go.

Maybe you can't rebuild in New York

i wouldn't have cared even if we'd signed Kwame to that same contract the Pistons did... at least he can block a few shots & play a few minutes on the court for you, unlike Turd.

the Balkman move i'm not so crazy about cuz i don't see the point of it unless like u said it leads to other moves, we'll see what happens i guess... Duhon at least fills a need... i don't get the uproar over it.
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7/29/2008  12:48 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:

i'd take Duhon on my team even if we weren't rebuilding... i think he's a nice bench player to have... he plays unselfishly & has pretty good fundamentals... i don't see how Walsh made a bad move in signing him to a 2 year deal even if he may have overpaid by a mil or so... who the hell cares? it doesn't effect our cap situation whatsoever... i woulda understood if we'd thrown the full MLE at the guy over 4 or 5 years, but that didn't happen here.

Agreed. This Duhon signing is so minor I don't understand what the uproar is. We signed a back-up PG to a short contract with as you said "no effect on the salary cap" and the fans are complaining like we just signed Kwame for 10 years 800 million. The fans just want a big name. If they dont' see a big name attached something must be wrong. A few months in to the process I can't for the life of me beleive that fans actually think that signing Duhon and trading Balkman are signature moves. We have a loong way to go.

Maybe you can't rebuild in New York

i wouldn't have cared even if we'd signed Kwame to that same contract the Pistons did... at least he can block a few shots & play a few minutes on the court for you, unlike Turd.

the Balkman move i'm not so crazy about cuz i don't see the point of it unless like u said it leads to other moves, we'll see what happens i guess... Duhon at least fills a need... i don't get the uproar over it.

Moving Balk creates more minutes at the 3 for Chandler, Gallo (Q, JJSkinny).
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7/29/2008  1:06 PM
Posted by martin:

Moving Balk creates more minutes at the 3 for Chandler, Gallo (Q, JJSkinny).

more minutes for fishlips is not a good thing.
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7/29/2008  1:12 PM
what future moves does the Balkman trade enable us to make down the line?

A 2010 second rounder?

I bet teams are lining up to call Donnie to try to get that asset from us.
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7/29/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by franco12:

what future moves does the Balkman trade enable us to make down the line?

A 2010 second rounder?

I bet teams are lining up to call Donnie to try to get that asset from us.

What would Balk do on this team with Q, JJSkinny, Chandler, Gallo? Nada.
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7/29/2008  1:17 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

what future moves does the Balkman trade enable us to make down the line?

A 2010 second rounder?

I bet teams are lining up to call Donnie to try to get that asset from us.

What would Balk do on this team with Q, JJSkinny, Chandler, Gallo? Nada.

all it says is that they've seen enough of balkman to make a decision. they didn't like him as a player so they moved him. they didn't give him a chance w/ a full training camp - but it's quite possible, he didn't deserve a chance. whatever the case, it's not a big deal. shouldn't have been drafted in the first place. same with mardy.
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7/29/2008  1:19 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

what future moves does the Balkman trade enable us to make down the line?

A 2010 second rounder?

I bet teams are lining up to call Donnie to try to get that asset from us.

What would Balk do on this team with Q, JJSkinny, Chandler, Gallo? Nada.

Give us a legit lock down perimeter defender off the bench?

And this notion that Chandler has emerged - I am all for giving him minutes, but still - its not like there are a ton of good or even decent perimeter defenders on this team.

And we don't even know if Gallo is going to be able to play - he barely made it through a half of summer league play.

I'm not trying to over react or anything- I hope he works out well.

I just know that Balkman was our best defender on Yao & LeBron- that's versatility. And unlike JJSkinny, he rarely disappeared on the court and could have an impact in spot duty for 10 mins here and there.
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7/29/2008  1:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by martin:
Posted by franco12:

what future moves does the Balkman trade enable us to make down the line?

A 2010 second rounder?

I bet teams are lining up to call Donnie to try to get that asset from us.

What would Balk do on this team with Q, JJSkinny, Chandler, Gallo? Nada.

all it says is that they've seen enough of balkman to make a decision. they didn't like him as a player so they moved him. they didn't give him a chance w/ a full training camp - but it's quite possible, he didn't deserve a chance. whatever the case, it's not a big deal. shouldn't have been drafted in the first place. same with mardy.

20/20 hindsight would say we shoulda drafted Rajon Rondo & Paul Millsap, as should every other team that picked after us.
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