Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by tkf:


great point.. I love when people throw age into it as a deciding factor... I mean it is not like josh howard is 34. The guy at 28 still has his best years ahead of him.. I loved when people used to say, "lebron is only 19" as if he is going to be 3x better by time he is 26...LOL.. some players peak early, I do see some growth in deng, but maybe his upside is josh howard.. and that is not a bad thing at all!

TKF, I never said age was a deciding factor, to me it's an added bonus. How can Deng's upside be Josh Howard when he already puts up Josh Howard numbers at 5 years less of age?

Besides, Martin made a good point earlier. Anytime we can get an asset like Deng, it's a good thing. We can always trade Deng (or keep him) in 2010, but it would be nice to have a option that can traded to the rest of the league, instead of the rut we're in.

And another thing, Howard is NOT much cheaper than Deng. Howard is going to make 10 mill this year and 11 mill next year. Deng is going to get around the same exact money.

I understand your point. Maybe I should have been more clear.. I really wasn't directing that towards you per say....

Posted by Cosmic:

I agree, deng just got greedy.. as you said, josh howard is a better player and making a lot less, the same with ron artest... These inflated salaries are going to hurt the league.. How are you going to put out a good product when you pay guys like deng 12 mil a year? how?

The League is a joke with their cap/lux tax thresholds. However, that shouldn't stop us from pursuing a good player.

As to the league: In my opinion the allowance on contract sizes far outweighs to overall roster allowance in terms of the cap.

How do you fix that? The cap should be raised a LARGE amount since you can never tell these guys "oops, thats it, max contracts are 5M per year now!".

A team has 15 players?

Fine.

3 Max Contracts (any great team has 3 max guys)
9 MLE Contracts
3 Min Contracts.

No, I'm not talking matching up player to player (9 guys all making MLE), I'm talking in total.

Whatever the total of 3 max, 9 mle, and 3 min comes to? That should be the cap. That way teams aren't bent over by the cap.

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To those still looking at 2010, LeBron, etc. Hey, those are pipe dreams, you don't pass on a good player to HOPE you land a great one 2 years later. Just ask the Orlando Magic and John Gabriel. That clown disposed of player after player looking to land Tim Duncan in 2000. Then proceeded to pass on deal after deal to maintain his hope that in 2003 Duncan would finally come. Duncan never did and the Magic were a big pile of garbage all those years as a DIRECT RESULT of the "get cap space, get lebron" type idea. You can't operate like that.

That is fine cosmic. I can go with that.. MY idea is to shorted the length of these contracts. I understand teams want to lock up good players, but now they are trying to lock them up at lesser amount and the players are not having it.. Lets say, I want amare.. and he wants 15 mil a year.. well 15 mil a year for amare may be fine, but why should I be locked in for 7 years? Shorten the deals, make less years guaranteed and give the team and player options to extend the deal based on a variety of factors.. just a thought...

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Cosmic:

I agree, deng just got greedy.. as you said, josh howard is a better player and making a lot less, the same with ron artest... These inflated salaries are going to hurt the league.. How are you going to put out a good product when you pay guys like deng 12 mil a year? how?

The League is a joke with their cap/lux tax thresholds. However, that shouldn't stop us from pursuing a good player.

As to the league: In my opinion the allowance on contract sizes far outweighs to overall roster allowance in terms of the cap.

How do you fix that? The cap should be raised a LARGE amount since you can never tell these guys "oops, thats it, max contracts are 5M per year now!".

A team has 15 players?

Fine.

3 Max Contracts (any great team has 3 max guys)
9 MLE Contracts
3 Min Contracts.

No, I'm not talking matching up player to player (9 guys all making MLE), I'm talking in total.

Whatever the total of 3 max, 9 mle, and 3 min comes to? That should be the cap. That way teams aren't bent over by the cap.

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Separate:

To those still looking at 2010, LeBron, etc. Hey, those are pipe dreams, you don't pass on a good player to HOPE you land a great one 2 years later. Just ask the Orlando Magic and John Gabriel. That clown disposed of player after player looking to land Tim Duncan in 2000. Then proceeded to pass on deal after deal to maintain his hope that in 2003 Duncan would finally come. Duncan never did and the Magic were a big pile of garbage all those years as a DIRECT RESULT of the "get cap space, get lebron" type idea. You can't operate like that.

That is fine cosmic. I can go with that.. MY idea is to shorted the length of these contracts. I understand teams want to lock up good players, but now they are trying to lock them up at lesser amount and the players are not having it.. Lets say, I want amare.. and he wants 15 mil a year.. well 15 mil a year for amare may be fine, but why should I be locked in for 7 years? Shorten the deals, make less years guaranteed and give the team and player options to extend the deal based on a variety of factors.. just a thought...

Yeah, and they kinda did shorten them, but they fell short of doing the right thing.

No more 7 year deals, just 6...and just 5 for the offer sheets correct? Or is that still 7/6 (lol i cant remember been so busy)

What it should be is 5 year max, 4 year offer sheet (just to keep the incentive to stay with a team intact)
All extensions should be 3 years.

As to guaranteed? Well, full strike if they try to change that. There certainly should be a certain goal that must be met to keep a contract guaranteed. Look at Jerome James for instance.

I think personally you drop down to the 5 year max, 4 year max offer sheet, 3 year max extensions on current contracts --- and then what... 2 years guaranteed? Maybe 3 fully guaranteed then others NOT guaranteed unless you meet a set criteria each season leading up to the non-guaranteed year(s)?

It sure would help a lot. It would prevent teams from getting screwed. That combined with a relaxtion on this whole bird rights crap, raising the cap to what I suggest, and you'd see a whole new revitalization of the league because teams would again have FLEXIBILITY. Be it on the sending or receiving end.

Posted by fishmike:

Deng is realy good but he's not Shawn Marion.. what Chi offered his was fair

Posted by sebstar:

I'm sorry, I just cant fathom bringing in another x-Bull. Amazing.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by sebstar:

I'm sorry, I just cant fathom bringing in another x-Bull. Amazing.

Yeah, that too. What is it with that anyway?

Posted by TMS:

i think Chandler can give us 14 & 7 type #'s this year easy... not that far off from Deng's totals from last year, & he's 2 years younger & not going to command no $12 mil per salary.

if u can get Deng in a trade package that includes Curry, Zach or Jamal, well then it's obvious you do it, but that will never ever happen... to get our hands on Deng ur looking at giving up every 1 of our desirable young pieces, Gallo, D Lee & likely Chandler to boot, & then paying him an exorbitant salary to add to an already fugged up cap situation... just can't justify doing that unless ur getting ur hands on a franchise calibre talent, which Deng is not IMHO.

Posted by Anji:

I don't know how they would get Deng, they are hoping contract talks turn nasty for that reason the most.

Hopefully Zach and Chandler would get it done, best bet would probably be to get a player they would want in a three way with Lee, Chandler and Filler..... even if it is a long shot.