I think Marucs will be one heckuva cheap pick up. He'll do well there--the kid is 22 years old and played through bad injuries on a team that didnt fit well for him. His numbers arent any different from Duhon who is making 6mm and has 4 years on him. Who did we pick? Balkman--do you think in your wildest dreams Balkman would yeiled back a one pick? If Bryan Colangelo tried to trade up for him and Chris Mullin traded a one pick for him---perhaps you are selling him a tad short--lets see how he does in GS. No one would give us a second rounder for Balkman let alone a 1st rounder--we cant even get a first rounder for Randolph.

Posted by oohah:

Marcus Williams got traded not because he sucks but because the Nets have Harris who is a solid pg. The Nets did not need to point guards to run the show. If we were to trade Balkman right now the most we would get is a second round pick.

What you're saying makes no sense. Every team needs a good backup PG. This isn't TJ Ford and Jose Calderon. Marcus Williams lost all his minutes to Eddie House, then 90 year old Darrel Armstrong. He was not going to beat out Dooling.

If the Nets thought Marcus Williams was worth a damn, they wouldn't have traded for Devin Harris, who has great potential, but hasn't even been close to a top 10 PG. Marcus Williams was supposed to take the reigns from Kidd. They gave up on Williams, and they traded for Harris.

Marcus Williams has sucked because he hasn't played well. No excuses. He had everything set for him.

The Nets just pulled a fast one and a half on the Warriors! Mr. Thorn I salute you! Way to recover from your error of picking Marcus Williams!

oohah

"If the Nets thought Williams was worth a dam the Nets wouldn't had traded for Harris"

Are you serious?

Get real. We are talking about Davin Harris. Who the hell wouldn't want him on their team? Some feel his the next Tony Parker. So of course the Nets went out and got him. The reality is Williams got traded for a first round pick. Now you tell me If any team will take on Balkman for that? You say don't care about not drafting Marcus yet you are debating on this very issue? You don't have to be a top point guard to have teams wanting a player. The Nets did not like Williams attitude and felt he would not be satisfied until he started. You keep on feeling content about the Knicks not selecting point guards.

You don't get it. If the Knicks drafted Williams the Knicks could have gotten a chance to have good point guard. If Williams did not work out he still would have had trade value. What is Balkman's trade value? At the end of the day it would have been a win win situation for the Knicks.

Posted by TMS:

hopefully Balkman will be able to recover from his ankle injury & raise his value this season under a new uptempo style that should fit his game nicely.

"If the Nets thought Williams was worth a dam the Nets wouldn't had traded for Harris"

Are you serious?

Get real. We are talking about Davin Harris. Who the hell wouldn't want him on their team? Some feel his the next Tony Parker. So of course the Nets went out and got him. The reality is Williams got traded for a first round pick. Now you tell me If any team will take on Balkman for that? You say don't care about not drafting Marcus yet you are debating on this very issue? You don't have to be a top point guard to have teams wanting a player. The Nets did not like Williams attitude and felt he would not be satisfied until he started. You keep on feeling content about the Knicks not selecting point guards.

You don't get it. If the Knicks drafted Williams the Knicks could have gotten a chance to have good point guard. If Williams did not work out he still would have had trade value. What is Balkman's trade value? At the end of the day it would have been a win win situation for the Knicks.

Posted by oohah:

"If the Nets thought Williams was worth a dam the Nets wouldn't had traded for Harris"

Are you serious?

Get real. We are talking about Davin Harris. Who the hell wouldn't want him on their team? Some feel his the next Tony Parker. So of course the Nets went out and got him. The reality is Williams got traded for a first round pick. Now you tell me If any team will take on Balkman for that? You say don't care about not drafting Marcus yet you are debating on this very issue? You don't have to be a top point guard to have teams wanting a player. The Nets did not like Williams attitude and felt he would not be satisfied until he started. You keep on feeling content about the Knicks not selecting point guards.

You don't get it. If the Knicks drafted Williams the Knicks could have gotten a chance to have good point guard. If Williams did not work out he still would have had trade value. What is Balkman's trade value? At the end of the day it would have been a win win situation for the Knicks.

You're trying to introduce all kinds of side issues here to make your point that Marcus Williams doesn't suck. But he has sucked, and if he puts up some numbers in a run and gun system (If he sees any court time which is debatable.)he still sucks.

Make a million arguments if you like, Marcus Williams has sucked. That is not really up for debate. You wanted him drafted here? He couldn't beat out Eddie House or Darrel Armstrong, we don't need him.

It seems you just want the Knicks to go out and pick any PG? I agree, we should have drafted a PG instead of Balkman, but that PG is Rajon Rondo. Marcus Williams is a burger who just got replaced by Keyon Dooling dude!! Not satisfied unless he was a starter? Where did you cook that up? Laughable. He couldn't even hold down the backup role when it was handed to him.

I don't care what Balkman has done, if he's out of the NBA next year. It is irrelevant if we are talking about Marcus Williams. Bring up Rondo instead. Up to this point Marcus Williams has been no better than Balkman, however he had so much more opportunity.

Some feel Harris is the next Tony Parker? That is the first I've heard of that. I can tell you for sure the 2007-08 season is the first season Harris was a full-time starter in the NBA.

Okay, one thing we can agree on: Marcus Williams' biggest achievement in his pro career thus far is he was still worth a first round pick after blowing like a hurricane for 2 years.

oohah

Laughable about Marcus William complaining about wanting to be a future starter I don't think so. I spoke to someone thats cool with the Nets and thats what he told me. If you're not upset about not drafting Marcus Williams instead of Balkman thats' you. You want to have the same attitude about getting Dallinari over a point guard fine. Keep on watching the Knicks pass up point guards and you see how far they go.

How many players do the Knicks have that are tradeable? I will say it again since it seems you missed the boat. Marcus Williams could have either been productive on the Knicks or if that did not work the Knicks could have traded him for a pick. What part of trading Williams for a draft pick don't you understand? So even with like you like saying, "Williams sucking" the Nets were able to pull a draft pick. Now explain how many players you think the Knicks can trade for a draft on this team besides Lee, Chandler, and maybe Jamal? Yet this scrub as you like to say was able to be traded for a draft pick.

That's a problem for me. Especially when we are sitting with players that no one wants. How does that sound to you that scrubs are being traded for draft picks and the Knicks are not able to make real trades? Or better yet a draft pick.

Think about it. Why on earth would it have hurt the Knicks to draft Williams if he would have trade value compared to the players we have now how probably can't even get traded for Matchbox cards and a Happy Meal?

We can play Tom and Jerry mouse games all the day or you can realize that the Knicks would have made a better move by getting Marcus aka "The Scrub From Hell" because at the end of the day he is still worth a draft.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-22-2008 11:38 PM]

Posted by oohah:

Laughable about Marcus William complaining about wanting to be a future starter I don't think so. I spoke to someone thats cool with the Nets and thats what he told me. If you're not upset about not drafting Marcus Williams instead of Balkman thats' you. You want to have the same attitude about getting Dallinari over a point guard fine. Keep on watching the Knicks pass up point guards and you see how far they go.

How many players do the Knicks have that are tradeable? I will say it again since it seems you missed the boat. Marcus Williams could have either been productive on the Knicks or if that did not work the Knicks could have traded him for a pick. What part of trading Williams for a draft pick don't you understand? So even with like you like saying, "Williams sucking" the Nets were able to pull a draft pick. Now explain how many players you think the Knicks can trade for a draft on this team besides Lee, Chandler, and maybe Jamal? Yet this scrub as you like to say was able to be traded for a draft pick.

That's a problem for me. Especially when we are sitting with players that no one wants. How does that sound to you that scrubs are being traded for draft picks and the Knicks are not able to make real trades? Or better yet a draft pick.

Think about it. Why on earth would it have hurt the Knicks to draft Williams if he would have trade value compared to the players we have now how probably can't even get traded for Matchbox cards and a Happy Meal?

We can play Tom and Jerry mouse games all the day or you can realize that the Knicks would have made a better move by getting Marcus aka "The Scrub From Hell" because at the end of the day he is still worth a draft.

So we agree then. The best thing about Marcus Williams' career so far is that he was traded for a first round pick. Rod Thorn, smooth operator!

I find it strange that what you're concerned with in regard to Marcus Williams is that could have netted us a first round pick. (Which is pure speculation, we don't know what would have happened here except he probably would have sucked even worse.)

I wonder, if he had showed up in New York and sucked as bad as he did with the Nets, would people still be pining for him?

You see, what I care about is whether a player can help the Knicks. Selfish shoot first PGs who shoot terrible percentages and turn the ball over every possession and get beat every time on defense -- we got that already.

I'll let you worry about drafting players that we can trade in for future draft choices. My concern is on-floor results of the player picked. Balkman: not very good. Marcus Williams: not very good.

I know someone who is cool with the Nets too and he said that they said Williams sucked balls and the Nets wanted to trade him while somebody still thought he was a decent player. That sounds a lot more plausible than a player who cannot even hold a backup spot demanding to start, don't you think?

oohah

LOL... good posting oohah... I agree, Marcus williams was just flat out bad... there is no other way to put it. I keep hearing people talk about the knicks passing up PG's... well tell me other than rondo, who in the hell did we pass up, that was worth taking.. People complain about the knicks having too many of the same type players. Undersized , shoot first combo guards.. and we pass them up, they complain about not taking them... LOL.. go figure..