Posted by Vmart:

This would be a good move by the Yankees. I have no anamosity towards Bonds. He is a hell of a player and would be welcomed. Once he puts on the pin stripes he is our guy and I really don't care to much for the steroid thing and all.

baseball has really fallen to the lowest lows. Ruined forever.

Nothing new?! A whole lotta major league home run records got shattered within 8 years of each other, after standing for decade after decade. I don't mind if someone breaks them, but not that way and it's not fair to the original players, teams that set them.

IT'S CHEATING AND IT'S CHEAPENED THE GAME! It's cheapened all of sports. Have you no morals??? These players today suck!!! Cheating their way into the record books. Not all of them, but we know who they are.

All of these players, athletes today look like damn body builders. There was cheating through the years, yes of course, but never on this level before. The cheating before looks like a rock in the bucket compared to what's been going on in today's sports world. All' cheating should be punished, past, present and future.

[Edited by - 4949 on 07-20-2008 7:18 PM]

Posted by 4949:

Nothing new?! A whole lotta major league home run records got shattered within 8 years of each other, after standing for decade after decade. I don't mind if someone breaks them, but not that way and it's not fair to the original players, teams that set them.

And the players who probably had those records prior to the steriod era were on other PED drugs during their time. Mike Schmidt took 'greenies' before every game. Willie Mays had a liquid form of 'greenies' that he always took.

Posted by 4949:

IT'S CHEATING AND IT'S CHEAPENED THE GAME! It's cheapened all of sports. Have you no morals??? These players today suck!!! Cheating their way into the record books. Not all of them, but we know who they are.

Like i said, there are many out there i am sure you root for(or have set records) that you will never know took anything. And if you are going to after the players for taking hgh or steriods, you have to go after players that took drugs no matter the time era.

Posted by 4949:

There was cheating through the years, yes of course, but never on this level before.

Any and every drug was being used out there throughout baseballs histroy.

Posted by jaydh:
I don't, but i find it ironic that a team whos recent success which is mostly attributed to it can be against adding someone because of it.

which recent success are you talking about? the 1st round eliminations from the playoffs the past few years? what team in baseball is guilt free when it comes to harboring juiced up players over the past few years?

And let's be clear here. It's so interesting that this home run phenomina started right after the last baseball strike. People were so sick of it, bud and company had to let something happen to get them back. It's all bull**** and I don't believe in bull like that.

It's cheating 'BIG TIME' and no one cares. That mean there's no integrity out there. People will do anything to get ahead, even if it means cheating.

Where do you EVER hear of me being prejudiced against bonds??? He broke two major MLB records. The most charished of them all! That's why he's it.

I have made it very, very clear that Giambi was a **** head for doing the same thing. I hate the MF for what he did and when I found out about Pettitte using it, even though he said he used it just a few times and came forward about it, I lost all respect for him. Make no mistake of my intentions here on how I feel about this. I made those feelings very, very clear. If you'd like, I can go pull those old posts up again. I may or may not be able to find them, but I did in fact speak out against even are own Yankees for using that ****.

So I'm not prejudiced! And no one can accuse me of ever being prejudiced around here. At what point is a fan allowed to express something in the name of integrity?

When I mentioned about cheating in the past, I was referring to pitchers known for doctoring the ball. A little vaseline, a little spit, some scratch marks on the ball, to make it do weird movements when thrown at a high volocity. A corked bat or too much pine tar on the bat handle. And then you have your dirty players, who tried to hurt people. Those are the kinds of cheats I was talking about overall. I never had respect for anyone who ever tried to cheat the sport.

But this stuff? HGH and everything else they put into their bodies to try to get the advantage? That's a whole new ball game today my friend. It's almost invisible. But you know something else that really bugs me about this whole thing? The ****'n fans! First people said it was a lie. The fan said there was no steroids in baseball and guess what. We find out there was. Now the fans says 'if everyone's doing it, then is it still cheating'? Yes, it is!

Many here and every other place said it wasn't true, that you needed proof. Well now we know better. But do people speak out about yet? Hell no! Now we got people saying it's been going on for decades! Bull****! Their now saying they don't care. Well I been following the game of baseball for 33 years and I will tell you that I have never seen anything like this before 1993. Not only do some players cheat, still today and not just this sport, but the fan doesn't care. That means a great deal to me. There is no integrity in baseball anymore. It's lost to a whole new generation. A generation who will never know what the game was really all about.

What I said above. That's integrity!

I don't care if the Yankees win anymore. I only follow it (if even that) because I still find guys like Jeter, Joba and Mo interesting. But if I ever hear they touched the stuff, then I'll have their heads to. There is never' any possible excuse for using anything ever. And every fan should speak out against it.

And let's get one more thing straight. Babe Ruth was the greatest home run hitter percentage wise. It took Hank Aaron just about 3,000 more at bats just to tie his all-time record. And it took bonds about 800 more at bats just to tie it also. That's an awful lot of at bats Ruth is missing! And Roger Maris passed Ruth's record in 61'. With an additional 8 games. They used to play 154 games a season. And lets not forget also. Ruth was a pitcher the first six years of his career. He didn't get significant amounts of at bats until his last two as a pitcher.

And best of all HE ENDED UP A YANKEE! Where's your pride at??? He's the reason Yankee Stadium was built.

It would be a disgrace putting this bonds guy in Yankee pinstripes in the last year of Yankee Stadium.

getting off the Bonds topic for a second to another headcase... i don't see the Red Sox exercising their club option to keep Manny after this season... i think they're pretty much done w/his Manny being Manny act & may just opt to spend that $20 mil to shore up other areas at this point.

so w/that in mind, would u guys be interested in signing him to play RF next year & hope that a more regimented system w/rules in NY would curb some of his idiotic tendencies, or would u just steer clear of that type of nuisance & just stick w/Nady or Abreu? say what u want about him (& he is a huge knucklehead), he puts up tremendous #'s every year & is 1 of the best big game clutch hitters in the game... put his righty bat in the lineup to protect ARod & it's over... fuggetabodit.

he'll probably end up w/the Mets tho, but i'm sure these questions will start to pop up in the offseason anyway so wanted to gauge how u guys felt about it.

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Insider article on Manny's situation in BOS:

Red Sox seen enough of Manny's act?

Saturday, July 26, 2008 | Feedback | Print Entry

Manny Ramirez has punched his ticket out of Boston, writes Dan Shaughnessy, and the Red Sox plan to do something about it soon. Steve Buckley wonders if today is the day the Red Sox will bounce Ramirez out to the pavement. Boston's relationship with Ramirez may have reached a tipping point, writes Sean McAdam.

What could they do?

They could attempt to suspend him, indefinitely.

And within 24 seconds, the union would file a grievance, and the suspension would be set aside until it could be heard by an arbitrator, and Manny would be reinstated. So a suspension -- well, that might feel good for the Red Sox and win some public-relations points, but it would have zero lasting impact.

They could attempt to fine him.

Keep in mind that Ramirez's going rate per inning, based on a $20 million salary, is about $13,717. So fining him $5,000 isn't exactly going to send a message.

They could trade him. (But keep in mind that Manny would have to approve any deal because of his 10-5 rights.)

This is something that the Red Sox officials will probably seriously consider, as they have many times over the last five years. The trade deadline is five days away, and Boston has time to make a move. The Red Sox almost certainly would not deal him to an AL team, because that could impact their playoff hopes. If they swapped him to the Angels, they would instantly make the Los Angeles of Anaheim the favorites to win the World Series. If they dealt him to the Rays, they might get to watch Ramirez knock them out of the playoff race first-hand. So a trade with an AL team will never happen.

But there are plenty of options, in theory, for a deal with an NL team. Because of Ramirez's penchant for inconsistent behavior and his salary -- he's still owed about $7 million for the rest of this season -- they couldn't expect huge return in prospects, but nevertheless, they could conceivably make a deal with the Mets, who are looking for a right-handed hitting outfielder.

And you know Ramirez would love to be reunited with Pedro Martinez, who would have a chance to keep his old pal from Red Sox days focused and in the lineup.

They could make a deal with the Phillies, whose manager, Charlie Manuel, knows Ramirez well from their days together with the Cleveland Indians. The Phillies could offer someone like a Jayson Werth or a Shane Victorino and a prospect or two.

They could make a deal with the Diamondbacks, who are desperately in need of a middle-of-the-order anchor.

They could make a deal with the Dodgers, who are overloaded with outfielders, but have a manager in Joe Torre who is accustomed to dealing with star players with diva issues. The offer from L.A. would start with third baseman Andy LaRoche, conceivably.

They could discuss a deal with the Cardinals, who would have a fearsome 3-4-5 of Albert Pujols, Ramirez and Troy Glaus. (But keep in mind that the priority of St. Louis right now is upgrading their beleaguered bullpen.)

They could discuss a deal with the gritty, gutty Marlins, who don't usually take on guys with high price tags but do have prospects to offer, as well as someone like Josh Willingham.

So there would be possible offers out there for Ramirez, and it makes sense for the Red Sox to explore all of those and make calls in the next 48 hours.

But the most important conversation that the Red Sox will have will be between the front office/and-or Terry Francona/and-or the leaders of the clubhouse -- guys like David Ortiz and Mike Lowell. And either Francona or GM Theo Epstein should ask the players: How do you guys feel about this situation? Are you fed up with Manny? Are you tired of dealing with him? Do you feel like the team is diminished by the uncertainty of whether Manny wants to play, and whether he'll be there for you in a big series -- like a series against the Yankees, in late July.

The reason why this is important is because ultimately, it's the other Red Sox players who have the best chance of keeping Ramirez focused the rest of the way -- not Francona, not Epstein, not John Henry or Tom Werner or Larry Lucchino. If the clubhouse leaders believe they can get inside Manny's head and get him back onto the field, then the best track for the Red Sox is to keep Ramirez. But if the other players believe that his pending contract situation is going to be a constant distraction, and there's a strong chance that Ramirez will bail on the team in the way that he did a few years ago, then it's time for the Red Sox to trade him.

The guess here is that the Red Sox will swallow their frustration one last time, and they will go forward, as they have so many times before, left to hope that Ramirez ultimately decides to get back on the field and performs in the way he usually does.

And when the season is over, his locker will be cleared out about 24 seconds after the final out is registered.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-26-2008 7:12 PM]