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7/18/2008  1:39 PM
Zach will be 24-10 in the D'Antoni System. He is the least of the Knicks problems, its Curry I'm worried about. He is a giant pansy. Look for him to come to camp massively out of shape.
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7/18/2008  1:40 PM
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I don't think Walsh would have hired D'Antoni if his attitude is just to clear out cap space and tank seasons until after the summer of 2010. They both are looking to make some immediate impact NOT NBA titles but at least a respectable improvement.

knicks fans better hope that 2010 summer is a good one.

If you are still winning 23 games in 2009 you aren't going to have a good summer in 2010 unless you hit the jackpot in the lottery.

and then give the pick to the utah jazz...knicks don't have their 2010 pick.

Which makes our point even stronger. We need to get cap space by 2010 but we can't be a horrible team at that time.
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7/18/2008  1:40 PM
will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.
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7/18/2008  1:41 PM
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Posted by bitty41:

I don't think Walsh would have hired D'Antoni if his attitude is just to clear out cap space and tank seasons until after the summer of 2010. They both are looking to make some immediate impact NOT NBA titles but at least a respectable improvement.

knicks fans better hope that 2010 summer is a good one.

If you are still winning 23 games in 2009 you aren't going to have a good summer in 2010 unless you hit the jackpot in the lottery.

and then give the pick to the utah jazz...knicks don't have their 2010 pick.

Which makes our point even stronger. We need to get cap space by 2010 but we can't be a horrible team at that time.

i think the knicks also traded the rights to all the cap space to the jazz as part of that marbury deal. dang, isiah really got took on that one...
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7/18/2008  2:19 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.
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7/18/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

Toine walker was playing with 2 MVP candidates, and was not the 2nd option on the team.
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7/18/2008  2:37 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

Toine walker was playing with 2 MVP candidates, and was not the 2nd option on the team.
who were they? I remember him be either option 1 or 1A on Boston teams that went to the ECFs. They won a lot of games. in 2001 they won 49 games and lost to the Nets 4-2 in the ECF. Next year they won 43 games, beat the Oneil/Artest/Harrington Pacers 4-2 then lost to the Nets in round 2. 2003 they traded him and you know what? Didnt make the playoffs and went 36-46. Next year they trade for him and go 14-9 (.560) with him. Before that they were 31-29 (.516).
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7/18/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by purple012870:

1. Gallinari won't be a bust because he seems to be an outstanding prospect, not just b/c he'll get a lot of looks.

2. Zach - unless he changes his me first, me 2nd & screw whoever is 3rd attitude....Zach is way down the list of options as far as I'm concerned. And the Knick chances do not hinge on him.

I am trying to figure out where you get your opinions from, because they seem contradictory. You call the minutes at C "Curry's minutes" as though Curry is somehow a better player than Randolph, which is not indicated by the stats in any sense of the word. Randolph's 2 APG in 07/08 is no eyeopener, but Curry's 0.6 APG is far worse? So me first, second and third? At least Randolph rebounds and hits the outside shot. Curry is a waste of space and his 54% FG percentage will be wasted in the motion offense. The team needs players at every position that can (i) hit the open 18 foot jump shot and (ii) rebound. Curry does neither. Randolph does both. Randolph just costs 18M in 2010. Curry needs to go, not Randolph.

The plan should be to drop Curry and Jeffries, both of whom are wastes of space. The effect on 2010 should be comparable.
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7/18/2008  2:41 PM
^^ It was Pierce, Walker and a bunch of goons. Walker was went 22/9/5 on winning teams those years. He was a hell of a player despite a dreadfull FG% and no defense.
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7/18/2008  2:47 PM
Posted by fishmike:

^^ It was Pierce, Walker and a bunch of goons. Walker was went 22/9/5 on winning teams those years. He was a hell of a player despite a dreadfull FG% and no defense.

Spree led us to less wins per season and he was a god here.
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7/18/2008  2:52 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

Toine walker was playing with 2 MVP candidates, and was not the 2nd option on the team.
who were they? I remember him be either option 1 or 1A on Boston teams that went to the ECFs. They won a lot of games. in 2001 they won 49 games and lost to the Nets 4-2 in the ECF. Next year they won 43 games, beat the Oneil/Artest/Harrington Pacers 4-2 then lost to the Nets in round 2. 2003 they traded him and you know what? Didnt make the playoffs and went 36-46. Next year they trade for him and go 14-9 (.560) with him. Before that they were 31-29 (.516).

Dwayne Wade and Shaq.
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7/18/2008  3:05 PM
Posted by Panos:

Dwayne Wade and Shaq.
well.. thats the title year. He was a role player and who cares. My point is most people think of Walker as a stat guy or just not very good. My only point is there was a guy that shoots like Crawford, plays D like Curry and still lead a team deep into the playoffs because he was in a position to do what he did best.

Nothing impressive about Walker's title. 49 wins and the ECF is pretty impressive considering it was him, Pierce and a pretty weak supporting cast

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7/18/2008  3:08 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

that hurts...but it's a good thing i'm a karate man...i hurt on the inside...
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7/18/2008  3:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

that hurts...but it's a good thing i'm a karate man...i hurt on the inside...






[Edited by - panos on 07-18-2008 3:16 PM]
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7/18/2008  3:15 PM
Zach should be able to do well under Mike if he's kept. I just wonder how this will all work out with both Zach and Curry. Zach will do what he does and in this system that should be pretty good. He just has to make the small adjustment to not hold the ball as long, which I don't think Mike will have a problem getting him to do.

While I don't think Zach is the best guy for this teams needs for the future, it's not the end of the world if we have to play him next yr.
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7/18/2008  7:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by bitty41:

I don't think Walsh would have hired D'Antoni if his attitude is just to clear out cap space and tank seasons until after the summer of 2010. They both are looking to make some immediate impact NOT NBA titles but at least a respectable improvement.

knicks fans better hope that 2010 summer is a good one.

If you are still winning 23 games in 2009 you aren't going to have a good summer in 2010 unless you hit the jackpot in the lottery.

23 wins? That's about what Phoenix had when they hit the jackpot in the lottery
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7/18/2008  10:10 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

Antoine Walker was a role player on that MIA Heat team... different situation... i think Zach could win a championship too if he went to the Lakers & played a supplementary role to Kobe, Gasol & Bynum & was a good soldier about it... i have my doubts if he'd be willing to do that tho, at least not now... maybe when he's older & further along in his career when he's finally figured out that teams don't win w/him hogging the ball on every possession.
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7/18/2008  10:41 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by djsunyc:

will zach randolph help you win games? that's the question d'alsh have to ask themselves and then proceed with a game plan after they have their answer.

imho, any player can help any team win games if put in the right situation (toine is a perfect example of this). so if they want to kep zach, then that's fine and dandy, but then they need to get rid of curry and will need to severly upgrade the other 2 frontcourt positions defensively, if that matters to them. seeing how they drafted my cousin vincenzo, i'm not sure that z-bo is part of the long range plans here b/c if you play them together, you are looking at the worst defensive frontcourt combo in the league, and quite possibly in pro basketball history.

Usually I think your a turd with the things you say but you are absolutely correct on this account. If Antoine Walker can win an NBA title then ANYBODY CAN given the right situations of course. Not to say Zach or anyone on the Knicks for that matter will win a title but any player in the right situation could win a ring.

The Knicks should be cruising the markets for Kurt Thomas type players. Just a bruiser who can play 15 to 20 mins a night.

Antoine Walker was a role player on that MIA Heat team... different situation... i think Zach could win a championship too if he went to the Lakers & played a supplementary role to Kobe, Gasol & Bynum & was a good soldier about it... i have my doubts if he'd be willing to do that tho, at least not now... maybe when he's older & further along in his career when he's finally figured out that teams don't win w/him hogging the ball on every possession.
If he's joining Gasol and Bynum, he'd have to be a 6th man. I can't picture him doing that any time soon.
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7/18/2008  11:43 PM
Brandon Roy also missed many games along with Randolph and I think Outlaw as well. I know there core was pretty beat up with injuries that yr.

Randolph was still asked to be traded by Brandon Roy though so that says a lot. Sky is the limit for Randolph if he came into this season looking to be unselfish and play within the system. The odds are against it but I guess this is what we are paying D'Antoni all that money for.
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