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4949
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7/17/2008  9:03 PM
Posted by purple012870:

zach is also fat & slow....and will block 1 less shot a year than EC (which puts him at 0)

zach is worth less than EC? oh boy.........
I'll never trust this' team again.
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4949
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7/17/2008  9:04 PM
Posted by purple012870:

zach is also fat & slow....and will block 1 less shot a year than EC (which puts him at 0)

zach is worth less than EC? oh boy.........
I'll never trust this' team again.
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7/18/2008  8:09 AM
I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.
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7/18/2008  8:14 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.
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7/18/2008  11:25 AM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.

And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..
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7/18/2008  11:35 AM
And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

Really hmmmm Portland, Orlando, Clev, Mil, Toronto, should all be winning NBA titles in short order.
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7/18/2008  11:47 AM
Posted by bitty41:
And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

Really hmmmm Portland, Orlando, Clev, Mil, Toronto, should all be winning NBA titles in short order.

Yes you are correct Bitty.
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7/18/2008  12:02 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

Really hmmmm Portland, Orlando, Clev, Mil, Toronto, should all be winning NBA titles in short order.

Yes you are correct Bitty.

All except Mil. Milwaukee will never ever win a title. Book that.
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7/18/2008  12:38 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

Really hmmmm Portland, Orlando, Clev, Mil, Toronto, should all be winning NBA titles in short order.

Yes you are correct Bitty.

All except Mil. Milwaukee will never ever win a title. Book that.


Panos walking on the edge but what how can Clev win since Lebron is leaving in 2010 for NY?
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7/18/2008  1:08 PM
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

Really hmmmm Portland, Orlando, Clev, Mil, Toronto, should all be winning NBA titles in short order.

Yes you are correct Bitty.

All except Mil. Milwaukee will never ever win a title. Book that.


Panos walking on the edge but what how can Clev win since Lebron is leaving in 2010 for NY?

Right, I forgot. Along with DHoward and CP3. Slipped my mind, how silly.
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7/18/2008  2:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.

And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..
Det? Bos?

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7/18/2008  6:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.

And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..
Det? Bos?

That one draft pick (Al Jefferson) got them Kevin Garnett. The #5 pick got them Ray Allen. Plus they already had a damn good player who was a high draft pick in Paul Pierce.

Detroit, you are right. They are and always will be the exception to the rule though.
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7/18/2008  7:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.

And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..
Det? Bos?

That one draft pick (Al Jefferson) got them Kevin Garnett. The #5 pick got them Ray Allen. Plus they already had a damn good player who was a high draft pick in Paul Pierce.

Detroit, you are right. They are and always will be the exception to the rule though.

Detroit is somewhat an exception but they did need their own lottery drafted players in order to get Rip, Big Ben, and Rasheed.
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7/18/2008  10:06 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by fishmike:

I know a lot of guys want to tank for another pick next year. I cant disagree with that logic. I mean first and foremost we need talent. But after 7(?) years of the same bull this franchise is in desperate need of a culture change. Winning some games and demonstrating that there is indeed a plan and a style of play that actually translates into wins would go a long way on a lot of levels.

Winning more then any draft pick or cap space is going to be the difference maker in ultimately changing the culture.

And the only way you win is by getting that draft pick..

agreed... i don't think you can win w/this team as currently constructed... u need to build up the core w/good young talent before u can start to win games over the longterm.
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Easily our best center last year...

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