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7/16/2008  9:21 PM
I have an idea. Limit him to one drive per game, and matador defence. If he exceeds his limits, then bench him the next game to let him recuperate.

Wait, looks like we've been doing that with our other players
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7/17/2008  8:00 AM
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Summer league is pointless. If he is hurt and he is your future there is no need to play him. The media is turning Summer League into this all important, essential being, when in reality it really isnt' that important.


The toughness factor bip wasn't brought up in you're disecting of "the gall" and his weaknesses.

Euro's aren't know to be physical players in the NBA , so will "the gall" be potentially injury prone once he laces them up against NBA STUDS?

One drive to the basket and percaussionary measures are needed. WOW

None of us have any idea the extent of the injury or the risk or further injury. Because of this lack of knowledge I choose not to pass judgement on his toughness or lack thereof. You choose otherwise based on no information.

If management decides that he can risk further injury and holds him out then I give them the benefit of the doubt. That's just what I do. I prefer not to have my 1st round pick suffer an injury that nags him year long just so you and I can watch him in a league that has been meaningless for decades.


So basically Pat Riley in miami was taking a risk with Beasley when he allowed him to play in the next SL game after taking the same MIR that "the gall" took and the heat discovered beasley has a crack in his sternum.

Bip a sports forum is comprised of fact and opinion, I see no wrong in assuming a 19 year old is injury prone going up against grown men in the NBA who are larger than Euro players in girth and weight.
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7/17/2008  8:08 AM
playa thats your opinion... and some opinions are weaker than others.
grown men in the NBA who are larger than Euro players in girth and weight
is not true however, unless your talking about Tractor Traylor who nobody has more girth than.

Its in the name of caution. I dont know if its right or wrong. Riley chose to play Beasley. Knicks chose to sit Gal. In case you were not watching he finished the game quite well. He wasnt injured or hurt. Knicks didnt want him to 'play though' a strain in the summer league. Plain and simple. But dont let fact or logic stray you from your agenda
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7/17/2008  8:23 AM
Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.
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7/17/2008  10:37 AM
Posted by playa2:

Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

You do understand the Knicks haven't won in years. Besides maybe Chandler they haven't had a proven successful draft pick since Charlie Ward. How dumb do you have to be as an organization to risk a nagging back injury to your lottery pick just so he can play in a meaningless summer league. I don't understand why you think that's worth it, but like you said, we all have opinions.

As for comparing Beasley's sternum to Danilo's back. Why don't we also bring Leftwich's broken leg in college into the conversation. Or Allan Houston's injured knee. Or Derrick Rose's injured knee. Or Isiah Thomas' sprained ankle dominance in the finals against the Lakers. Why is it that some guys played through their injuries and some couldn't? I don't know the answer to any of that. All I know is that each situation is different and comparing one to another doesn't make sense in a non agenda driven world.

As far as I know Nilo is the biggest pansy in the world. As far as I know he is the toughest guy on the planet. Most likely he lies somewhere in between. I do know that as I've matured, I've learned that there is no badge of honor or medal for manship won, by jumping to conclusions.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-07-2008 10:38 AM]
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7/17/2008  10:39 AM
For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?
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7/17/2008  10:41 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?
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7/17/2008  10:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?

Obviously he's a sissy.
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7/17/2008  11:10 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?

Only white players sit out with injuries DJ, so yeah, Balkman would sit out.
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7/17/2008  1:15 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
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Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

You do understand the Knicks haven't won in years. Besides maybe Chandler they haven't had a proven successful draft pick since Charlie Ward. How dumb do you have to be as an organization to risk a nagging back injury to your lottery pick just so he can play in a meaningless summer league. I don't understand why you think that's worth it, but like you said, we all have opinions.

As for comparing Beasley's sternum to Danilo's back. Why don't we also bring Leftwich's broken leg in college into the conversation. Or Allan Houston's injured knee. Or Derrick Rose's injured knee. Or Isiah Thomas' sprained ankle dominance in the finals against the Lakers. Why is it that some guys played through their injuries and some couldn't? I don't know the answer to any of that. All I know is that each situation is different and comparing one to another doesn't make sense in a non agenda driven world.

As far as I know Nilo is the biggest pansy in the world. As far as I know he is the toughest guy on the planet. Most likely he lies somewhere in between. I do know that as I've matured, I've learned that there is no badge of honor or medal for manship won, by jumping to conclusions.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-07-2008 10:38 AM]

Hey bip, I was talking to fishmike.

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7/17/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?

You need to go there? Jumping that high coming down on someones foot twisting you're ankle would take down the worlds strongest man, has nothing to do with toughness.LOL

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7/17/2008  2:08 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?

You nesed to go there? Jumping that high coming down on someones foot twisting you're ankle would take down the worlds strongest man, has nothing to do with toughness.LOL

Isiah once scored 25 points in a quarter against the Lakers on a sprained ankle. If he's tough enough, why can't Balk do it?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040616
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7/17/2008  2:09 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:
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Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

You do understand the Knicks haven't won in years. Besides maybe Chandler they haven't had a proven successful draft pick since Charlie Ward. How dumb do you have to be as an organization to risk a nagging back injury to your lottery pick just so he can play in a meaningless summer league. I don't understand why you think that's worth it, but like you said, we all have opinions.

As for comparing Beasley's sternum to Danilo's back. Why don't we also bring Leftwich's broken leg in college into the conversation. Or Allan Houston's injured knee. Or Derrick Rose's injured knee. Or Isiah Thomas' sprained ankle dominance in the finals against the Lakers. Why is it that some guys played through their injuries and some couldn't? I don't know the answer to any of that. All I know is that each situation is different and comparing one to another doesn't make sense in a non agenda driven world.

As far as I know Nilo is the biggest pansy in the world. As far as I know he is the toughest guy on the planet. Most likely he lies somewhere in between. I do know that as I've matured, I've learned that there is no badge of honor or medal for manship won, by jumping to conclusions.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-07-2008 10:38 AM]

Hey bip, I was talking to fishmike.

And I was talking to you.
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7/17/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by Bippity10:


Isiah once scored 25 points in a quarter against the Lakers on a sprained ankle. If he's tough enough, why can't Balk do it?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040616

Yeah but Isiah isn't a white Italian dude.
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Posted by playa2:

Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

Yes he has, he has had a couple of injuries forcing him to miss a few games in Europe with injuries.

I wouldn't say he is injury prone, but I don't think he is iron man either. The concern of him missing some games with injuries is legitimate. Way more legitimate then the other nonsense that you have looked to create to put him down.

He also is only 19 though and has been playing against grown men in Europe even if they aren't "as" physical as the NBA they are still grown men and more physical then NCAA competition. As he gets older and adds weight I think he will be alright. One yr of NBA lifting and training is going to do wonders for him with his frame.
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7/17/2008  8:39 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:

Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

You do understand the Knicks haven't won in years. Besides maybe Chandler they haven't had a proven successful draft pick since Charlie Ward. How dumb do you have to be as an organization to risk a nagging back injury to your lottery pick just so he can play in a meaningless summer league. I don't understand why you think that's worth it, but like you said, we all have opinions.

As for comparing Beasley's sternum to Danilo's back. Why don't we also bring Leftwich's broken leg in college into the conversation. Or Allan Houston's injured knee. Or Derrick Rose's injured knee. Or Isiah Thomas' sprained ankle dominance in the finals against the Lakers. Why is it that some guys played through their injuries and some couldn't? I don't know the answer to any of that. All I know is that each situation is different and comparing one to another doesn't make sense in a non agenda driven world.

As far as I know Nilo is the biggest pansy in the world. As far as I know he is the toughest guy on the planet. Most likely he lies somewhere in between. I do know that as I've matured, I've learned that there is no badge of honor or medal for manship won, by jumping to conclusions.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-07-2008 10:38 AM]

Hey bip, I was talking to fishmike.

And I was talking to you.

you tawkin' t'me?
you tawkin' t'me??

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7/17/2008  9:44 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bippity10:

For the record, if Wilson Chandler comes down with a back injury and the Knicks sat him I would hold the exact same opinion? Would you?

what about balkman?

You nesed to go there? Jumping that high coming down on someones foot twisting you're ankle would take down the worlds strongest man, has nothing to do with toughness.LOL

Isiah once scored 25 points in a quarter against the Lakers on a sprained ankle. If he's tough enough, why can't Balk do it?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040616

Because Balkman wasn't born on the southside of Chicago, running in gangs trying to get a rep.

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7/18/2008  5:43 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by playa2:

Fishmike , that's you're opinion also and i respect that.

Even though he finished the SL game in stride being an ex-jock, don't you understand the next morning aches and pains that anyone can recieve that comes from and aggressive blow.

Maybe the kid's body is fragile, maybe not.

I still want the 411 to see if he has had any lingering injuries while playing in Europe.

You do understand the Knicks haven't won in years. Besides maybe Chandler they haven't had a proven successful draft pick since Charlie Ward. How dumb do you have to be as an organization to risk a nagging back injury to your lottery pick just so he can play in a meaningless summer league. I don't understand why you think that's worth it, but like you said, we all have opinions.

As for comparing Beasley's sternum to Danilo's back. Why don't we also bring Leftwich's broken leg in college into the conversation. Or Allan Houston's injured knee. Or Derrick Rose's injured knee. Or Isiah Thomas' sprained ankle dominance in the finals against the Lakers. Why is it that some guys played through their injuries and some couldn't? I don't know the answer to any of that. All I know is that each situation is different and comparing one to another doesn't make sense in a non agenda driven world.

As far as I know Nilo is the biggest pansy in the world. As far as I know he is the toughest guy on the planet. Most likely he lies somewhere in between. I do know that as I've matured, I've learned that there is no badge of honor or medal for manship won, by jumping to conclusions.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 17-07-2008 10:38 AM]


Bip my opinion is sometime more important than others.

I knew it was to good to be true!

Mark Berman: definitely was impressed with Gallinari's ball movement, court awareness, his handle and his shot. But I am worried about durability and defense. I heard from one European scout today who told me he's not surprised Gallinari's done after just one game with a back injury. Said he got hurt a lot in Italy.


Ok now what ?
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7/18/2008  9:10 AM
I think there is a big difference between the two arguments. One argument is, can the guy stay healthy? This is a legitimate concern for many players. The same is asked about Greg Oden. If your six pick is injury proned then you haev a problem. If he is injury proned because his body is not ready for the pounding then your concern is lessened because he is a project. Only time will tell on this issue. As much as I try I can't be irrational and flip out at the first negative sign. I will simply wait and see.

The second argument is, Is the guy tough? Should he be playing through the injury? The answer to question number one is, we don't know. The answer to question number 2 is absolutely not. With all the bad luck and bad decisions we've made as an organization for 7 years to risk your lottery picks health at this point would be insane.

So in summary, we agree on question 1. Disagree on questions 2 and 3.

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7/18/2008  10:28 AM
Alan Hahn on the Euro scout comment:
As for Starberman and the Italian scout saying Gallo was always getting hurt....not quite how I heard it. What I was told is Danilo isn't soft, but maybe too bull-headed. Kid takes a beating and keeps on coming (as we saw when he kept going at the rim against the Cavs and redwood-thick Tractor Traylor). Problem is, that can result in being worn down. Let's remember he's 19, not 25. Not yet a man in either the physical or mental POV.
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