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7/11/2008  11:02 PM
MJ will be forgotten once this kid unleashes his talents in the NBA. HOF!


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7/11/2008  11:55 PM
Posted by playa2:

Hey we blew it, I checked walsh draft record and he usually drafts a front court player that high in the draft. Picking "THE GALL" has to be a D'Antoni choice.
Don't you think that Waltoni looked at the guards available and made what they thought was a pick that would give them the best value and fit for the team? We need so much but at the same time we really do need to add bigs that can play in this system.

It seems to me that you just aren't giving this pick any respect. I can understand not being in love with the pick, but there's almost zero evidence that this pick was a mistake at this point. We won't know for sure for a while, but certainly there aren't any ominous signs that this kid won't be a good player in this league. From every report we've seen this kid is legit. Why not give Walsh the respect for being a good GM and making a solid decision with our draft pick?
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7/12/2008  12:03 AM
The concerns about this pick have been expressed way too often. Isiah scouted him and recommended him,, D'Antoni didn't want him; Isiah may have wanted him. Whatever you say, Bayless, Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez all will most likely have better careers. DeAndre Jordan will probably have a better career. The only thing I am sure of is that it appears Isiah Thomas is still playing a role in the decision making of the front office and I think he is messing up.
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7/12/2008  12:44 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

The concerns about this pick have been expressed way too often. Isiah scouted him and recommended him,, D'Antoni didn't want him; Isiah may have wanted him. Whatever you say, Bayless, Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez all will most likely have better careers. DeAndre Jordan will probably have a better career. The only thing I am sure of is that it appears Isiah Thomas is still playing a role in the decision making of the front office and I think he is messing up.

This will go down as a very very good draft very deep very talented--best draft head to toe in mutli-years.
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7/12/2008  1:50 AM
Posted by TMS:

nyk4ever is douchebag driven.

Easy chief, you've already had one thread stickied about you, you trying to get a second?
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7/12/2008  2:50 AM
Posted by CrushAlot:

The concerns about this pick have been expressed way too often. Isiah scouted him and recommended him,, D'Antoni didn't want him; Isiah may have wanted him. Whatever you say, Bayless, Gordon, Randolph, and Lopez all will most likely have better careers. DeAndre Jordan will probably have a better career. The only thing I am sure of is that it appears Isiah Thomas is still playing a role in the decision making of the front office and I think he is messing up.


At this point in time nobody can know who will most likely have a better career than anyone else, and you could find a lot of faults for any player mentioned above, and for anyone in the entire draft, for that matter. With the ages of the kids coming into the league, it will also take more than a year or two to see how good people really are. Some people are already calling the Rose pick a mistake based on a couple of summer league games! That is ridiculous.

You would be foolish to think that Isiah was the person behind the Knicks' pick- Gallinari had been scouted by people associated with the Knicks for over 3 years, and was a well known European talent. A little research would have told you that, And don't be fooled into thinking that DAntoni did not want him, either. Gallinari is perfect for his system. The only players I think they wanted more than him were Rose and Mayo- I think they would have traded down if they had been in the 3 spot, for instance, and Rose and Mayo were gone, and Beasley remained. I also believe that on draft day they gave the ESPN reporter who reported that "The Knicks have found their point guard," misleading information because they wanted Seattle to think that if they traded down with the Clippers, who had Gallinari in for a look and may have wanted him (Gallinari had his family come over to the U.S. after that final practice in LA.), they (Seattle) were not going to get Westbrook at 7. (My theory, but nobody has given me an explanation about why the Knicks told that reporter that they had "found their point guard, despite Walsh's practice of not giving hints at who he would take.")

If you are a Knicks' fan you just have to assume (hope and pray), at this point anyway, that Walsh and DAntoni chose the best player possible for the future. There will be a lot of time in the future to criticize the Gallinari pick if he turns out to be a chicken and not a rooster.

[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-12-2008 02:51 AM]
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7/12/2008  5:58 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

nyk4ever is douchebag driven.

Easy chief, you've already had one thread stickied about you, you trying to get a second?

silence douchebag.
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7/12/2008  10:51 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TMS:

nyk4ever is douchebag driven.

Easy chief, you've already had one thread stickied about you, you trying to get a second?

silence douchebag.

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7/12/2008  10:57 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by BigSm00th:

briggs to be fair, last year for the warriors in his first summer league game marco bellineli dropped 37 and went on to score less than 100 for the whole year. its just summer league.


I know it's just summer league but that doesnt take away from his sure-fire talent--he's a 6-10 multi skilled super athletic two way player who is still growing and is 18 years old. 99.9% of 18 year olds couldnt put up 30-8-2-2 on their high school teams.

Anthony Randolph is not super athletic. He's behind Kevin Love and about average for nba draftees. He is a pretty good ball handler for a big guy, but he also turns the ball over a lot. He doesn't have a great shot. But he will block some shots. His rebounding is good for a 3, but not much for a 4.

He is very young and may develop his skills. But I wouldn't get too excited from this game.

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7/12/2008  12:08 PM
Holy mackeral Briggs. We get it. You wanted Randolph. We all understand this. Now 3 years from now you can bring up the "I told you so's" all you want. If you are correct I will acknowledge your "I told you so's" and give you all the props in the world. But after one summer league game............
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7/12/2008  2:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Holy mackeral Briggs. We get it. You wanted Randolph. We all understand this. Now 3 years from now you can bring up the "I told you so's" all you want. If you are correct I will acknowledge your "I told you so's" and give you all the props in the world. But after one summer league game............

Who cares about told you so---I only care about the Knicks making good decisions. I think it's valid to question a team that wants to run why they didnt take a very long athletic super agile 6-10 and growing hyprid F who can score defend rebound pass block shots and really get up and down. I think it's valid to question the mentality of the same people who have been making the personell decisions who also ran the team into the ground. There is no do-over.
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7/12/2008  2:01 PM
Why did Randolph go 14th if he was projected to go as high as 5?

Something turned teams off to him right? Not just the Knicks.
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7/12/2008  2:11 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

Why did Randolph go 14th if he was projected to go as high as 5?

Something turned teams off to him right? Not just the Knicks.

Why did Brook Lopez go 10 when he was a top 3 player? Who knows it happens every year--I think this year teams were defintely focused on individual players more than the so-called BPA--and the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Randolph fits on GS and fits on NY--we chose the player with a better outside shot but that is only one facet of the game. Randolph will be superior and project better with his agility and athletic ability IMHO. I don't base it on one summer league game--I base it on what I project him to be from a long evaluation.

Look at all of the highly paid Knick scouts management etc.. millions a year--they had a full 5-6 months on that Channing Frye draft and I saw Bynum a few times and knew he was a superior talent--it really wasnt brain science with Bynum--but how did that draft pick of Frye turn out? The Knicks have madea couple of decent later round picks and really that is all they have done in 7-8 years with nealry a billion spent in salaries.
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7/12/2008  2:52 PM
I got to give credit to BRIGGS, he's been all over this draft like a hawk.
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7/12/2008  4:01 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

I got to give credit to BRIGGS, he's been all over this draft like a hawk.

But hes supporting the wrong player. AR cant shoot, and he weighs about 150 lbs. Hes not super athletic, as people here have previously posted. This guy was not talented enought to be a top lottery pick. He is what he was. A mid 1st round pick.
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7/12/2008  4:18 PM
Just about every predraft report I read was negative in regard to AR. The reports were full of shock at how bad he was looking. Now this could've just been one of those things that happen in workouts, but it scared a lot of teams. Gallinari is the kind of player that should thrive in a Euro styled system like D'Antoni's. He's also smart, tough, highly skilled and still growing. These things make for a great prospect and the kind of player we should be looking to draft from now on.
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7/12/2008  4:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Just about every predraft report I read was negative in regard to AR. The reports were full of shock at how bad he was looking. Now this could've just been one of those things that happen in workouts, but it scared a lot of teams. Gallinari is the kind of player that should thrive in a Euro styled system like D'Antoni's. He's also smart, tough, highly skilled and still growing. These things make for a great prospect and the kind of player we should be looking to draft from now on.

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7/12/2008  5:11 PM
Posted by toodarkmark:

Why did Randolph go 14th if he was projected to go as high as 5?

Something turned teams off to him right? Not just the Knicks.

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7/12/2008  5:59 PM
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Posted by Bippity10:

Holy mackeral Briggs. We get it. You wanted Randolph. We all understand this. Now 3 years from now you can bring up the "I told you so's" all you want. If you are correct I will acknowledge your "I told you so's" and give you all the props in the world. But after one summer league game............

Who cares about told you so---I only care about the Knicks making good decisions. I think it's valid to question a team that wants to run why they didnt take a very long athletic super agile 6-10 and growing hyprid F who can score defend rebound pass block shots and really get up and down. I think it's valid to question the mentality of the same people who have been making the personell decisions who also ran the team into the ground. There is no do-over.

Man, what do you do for a living? If you are oh-so-good at finding talent then work your @ss off and find a way to be in that position. Or is it gratifying for you to say "im a genious and the people running the show aren't"?
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7/12/2008  6:38 PM
I don't see Randolph reaching superstar status.

He may be a real good player down the road in the NBA and a nice core piece to have on your team. Maybe be able to guard multiple positions and maybe hit the 3 & glass. I don't see him dominating the NBA though.

I can see his ceiling as a 14-17pts 7-8rebs 1.5blks type of guy. Look at guys like Tyshawn Prince & Lamar Odom they are solid core guys but not superstars and they are & were way more developed then Randolph.

If Randolph came equiped with a back to basket game with the fundamentals & passing ability out of the post as KG & Bosh did then I could see it. But he doesn't stand far apart as a prospect then Gallinari. Who was asked to do everything on his team as a 19yr old vs "physically dominant competion" vs NCAA as John Calipari stated in the Jennings articles. Only to be named the best player under 22 in Europe.

There is nothing with Randolphs game that makes him an elite prospect over Gallo.

Randolph beats Gallo more in the quickness department then the athletic department, & in rebounding, shotblocking. They both seem to have solid skill levels in handling, run the floor, move without the ball. Gallo beats Randolph out in shooting, fundamentals, intangibles & comes with leadership, heart, maturity.

It will be fun comparing these guys careers
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