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islesfan
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7/6/2008  1:48 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.

But you also love the fact that he is looking to get rid of Marbury and trade away Randolph. And the fact that he has been fiscally responsible so far, and the fact that he is looking to gain cap flexability by 2010.

You know you do.

I don't know how you could be negative of Gallinari when you know nothing about him. D'Antoni you have watched so thats understandable, Duhon you have watched so that understandable, Isiah you have watched so thats also understandable.

People try to identify reasons to why things will be successful and you identify reasons why they will fail. Glad you found a role to play, thanks for keeping us down to earth.

Of course I want Marbury gone, but I do want to keep his large expiring contract as a trade chip instead of just buying him out before the season. I've annoyed more people with how badly I want Zach gone and the lengths that I would go to get rid of him and his albatross contract, just ask Briggs. I've never given Walsh anything but praise for making it his goal to be as far under the cap as possible in 2010. So obviously I'm not just hating everything just to hate.

As for Gallinari, how many slow footed, stiff legged non athletic tweeners have success in the NBA?
People try to identify reasons to why things will be successful and you identify reasons why they will fail. Glad you found a role to play, thanks for keeping us down to earth.

You're welcome. We all have to do our part.
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7/6/2008  1:52 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???
Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?
What do you gain, Isles, by him sucking?
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7/6/2008  1:55 PM
Another misconception....that he's unathletic.

Look, nobody is going to confuse him w/ Dominique Wilkins (partly b/c he's Caucasian), but the dude isn't JJ Redick either. Put him in the Kukoc, Thomas, KVH category of athleticism.
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7/6/2008  1:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???
Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?
What do you gain, Isles, by him sucking?

Isles, lives for the I told you so.
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7/6/2008  2:01 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???
Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?

Because it's more important to me that Nalod be right.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/6/2008  2:05 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???
Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?
What do you gain, Isles, by him sucking?

Isles, lives for the I told you so.

How often did I say "I told you so" about Isiah?

Not often at all.

Will the next amateur psychoanalyst Come On Down!!
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/6/2008  2:18 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson
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7/6/2008  2:19 PM
islesfan
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7/6/2008  2:21 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/6/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?

I think the Fish means you wanted an inexperienced coach over an experienced one, and an undersized combo guard who would've clogged up our already glutted guards over Gallo.
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7/6/2008  2:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


An assumption based on something tangible, like past evidence, is more valid than one based on hope.

No doubt there is hope involved with people hoping he play well, but let's not minimize the fact that you are hoping he sucks too.

No doubt, but my hoping that he sucks is based on something tangible.

Why would you hope that he scks? I have some question marks but my hope is that is his game translates better than I anticpate and that he turns into a really nice ballplayer--I don't see how a Knick fan hopes that he is bad???
Yeah, seriously? Why do you hope he sucks?
What do you gain, Isles, by him sucking?

Isles, lives for the I told you so.

How often did I say "I told you so" about Isiah?

Not often at all.

Will the next amateur psychoanalyst Come On Down!!

Looks like the amateur psychoanalysts are pushing your buttons. double exclaimation.
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7/6/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?

I think the Fish means you wanted an inexperienced coach over an experienced one, and an undersized combo guard who would've clogged up our already glutted guards over Gallo.

Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad? If any team is going to go with an inexperienced coach, it would be a rebuilding team looking 2 years down the road. Guess which coach is going to be less adverse to maximizing next years 1st rd pick?

What glut of guards? You act like the guards currently on the roster have a long term role on this team moving forward. Isn't Monta Ellis an undersized combo guard who most people on this board would love the Knicks to get somehow?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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7/6/2008  2:45 PM

As for Gallinari, how many slow footed, stiff legged non athletic tweeners have success in the NBA?

Why ignore everything else said about him and regulate him to just that?
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7/6/2008  2:47 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

As for Gallinari, how many slow footed, stiff legged non athletic tweeners have success in the NBA?

Why ignore everything else said about him and regulate him to just that?

Duh, I just did.
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7/6/2008  2:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

As for Gallinari, how many slow footed, stiff legged non athletic tweeners have success in the NBA?

Why ignore everything else said about him and regulate him to just that?

Duh, I just did.

I know you did, my post was asking why?
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7/6/2008  2:50 PM
Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad?
I always get a kick out of how you logic only applies to your arguements. The same thing for example doesnt apply to Galli because... right.

So boring.. you crack on 'DAntoni type' players but want a 6'3 shooting guard that shoots 5 3's a game and doesnt play D.

Yawn
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7/6/2008  2:53 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?

I think the Fish means you wanted an inexperienced coach over an experienced one, and an undersized combo guard who would've clogged up our already glutted guards over Gallo.

Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad? If any team is going to go with an inexperienced coach, it would be a rebuilding team looking 2 years down the road. Guess which coach is going to be less adverse to maximizing next years 1st rd pick?

What glut of guards? You act like the guards currently on the roster have a long term role on this team moving forward. Isn't Monta Ellis an undersized combo guard who most people on this board would love the Knicks to get somehow?

Yea, we'd all love to have him, but our glut of combo guards don't reflect anything close to Monta Ellis, its almost irrelevant, and he's not even a PG. You act as if we have a studs at the SF/PF positons and we drafted for depth. This team has a glaring weakness at every single position, and I can't blame Walsh for starting the improvement with the Forward position. The only true PG in the draft with good size was Rose, and once Walsh knew it wasn't happening, he didn't force the issue by drafting a combo G.
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7/6/2008  3:10 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by islesfan:


You're right, the Italian League is right up there with the NBA and the defense in those highlights was on par with the 94 Knicks. The 14/4 he averaged over there will easily translate to him being a superstar over here.

What was I thinking?

Yeah but Isles when it comes down to it, you are making the same assumptions about him that everyone else is.

How so? The odds of an Italian League player making it big in the NBA are really small. Why? Because success over there does not translate to the NBA. So the basis for my assumptions have much greater validity than those saying that he's going to be so successful here as some people have suggested.


Based on what data???? Define "making it"
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7/6/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Isles would rather be right and gloat. Isles, btw your not as smart as you might think. It does not take a rocket scientist to chime in that everything and/or anything the knicks try will fail. Most of us know this, and most of us understand the risk/failure rate is high in professional sports.
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7/6/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Isles honestly, if the only reason for being here now is to incite riots amongst the board, instead of rooting for this team, then maybe you really shouldn't be here anymore. I like you dude, but honestly, that's pretty ****ty.

Dude, I'm not trying to incite anything. I just seriously question the 4 biggest moves (keeping Isiah, hiring D'Antonio's System, drafting Gallinari and signing Duhon) made so far by Walsh.

I think I've been very fair in my criticism. Criticism's that I've heard echoed from all corners of the mainstream media.

I mean no disrespect to posters like yourself, Eny and even nixluva but there are legitimate concerns with all of these moves and I don't think it's wrong to express them and offer a differing viewpoint from all the blind rah rah stuff that has proliferated this board.
coming from a guy that wanted Bayless and Mark Jackson

Meaning?

I think the Fish means you wanted an inexperienced coach over an experienced one, and an undersized combo guard who would've clogged up our already glutted guards over Gallo.

Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad? If any team is going to go with an inexperienced coach, it would be a rebuilding team looking 2 years down the road. Guess which coach is going to be less adverse to maximizing next years 1st rd pick?

What glut of guards? You act like the guards currently on the roster have a long term role on this team moving forward. Isn't Monta Ellis an undersized combo guard who most people on this board would love the Knicks to get somehow?

Nice double standards there. Gallinari sucks becuase he hasn't proven anything. AND this:
Since when does inexperienced mean that he's going to be bad? --- For a guy who has proven even less as a coach?



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