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7/6/2008  11:42 AM
Posted by purple012870:

One of the moves that was amazing (on the YT highlights) was the Chris Paul style x-over dribble that is done with the same hand. In DLo's case, he did it lefty. I love that move.

Yeah at ANY level that move is impressive. I would ask people here to list the guys 6-10 who consistently make moves like that with the ball? It's not a long list. Also his head and shoulder fakes are top flight. He knows how to create just enough space to get his shot off too. He's got that xover step back move down. These are just observations from his vids and not any definitive scouting, but like everyone I hope he can bring that and more. I can't wait for some full game action to see what he really looks like.
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7/6/2008  11:46 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

Hey...IDIOTS...

I didn't say he would be the next Larry Bird, didn't say he was as good or better. He doesn't nearly have any sort of resume' to make such a comparison---OBVIOUSLY.

I merely noted that at 6'9" +, he has some of the ball skills that Bird had. We obviously cannot favorably compare a kid that none of us are that familiar to an all time great, but I would think that ---on a supposed Knick fan site--- we can reference a few skills that the kid has to another player, even if that player is Bird.

Is that such a difficult concept to understand?

Reading is fundamental. If it makes you feel better, I understood what you meant. This is actually the same reason why nbadraft.net needs to stop posting player comparisons. People read those and assume that they're intending it to mean that a young player will be the next player A. When, what they're really saying is they're stylistically similar. I gotcha on this and it's quite possible that you're right.

I don't think anyone is realisticaly expecting Larry Bird Part II. Quite frankly, I'd be happy with Sue Bird, at this point.


Why not say he ha skill sets comparable to Drazen Petrovich or Detleft Shrempf or Toni Kucok or Kiki Wendehghe? There's a reason you stated Bird always going to the cream of the crop when you know how fans usually eat stuff like this up.

Solace I agree player comparisons are overall a joke because fans run with them.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-05-2008 10:06 PM]

Why make comparisons to Lamar Odom when you can make a comparison to a Top 5 of All Time player?
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7/6/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

Hey...IDIOTS...

I didn't say he would be the next Larry Bird, didn't say he was as good or better. He doesn't nearly have any sort of resume' to make such a comparison---OBVIOUSLY.

I merely noted that at 6'9" +, he has some of the ball skills that Bird had. We obviously cannot favorably compare a kid that none of us are that familiar to an all time great, but I would think that ---on a supposed Knick fan site--- we can reference a few skills that the kid has to another player, even if that player is Bird.

Is that such a difficult concept to understand?

Reading is fundamental. If it makes you feel better, I understood what you meant. This is actually the same reason why nbadraft.net needs to stop posting player comparisons. People read those and assume that they're intending it to mean that a young player will be the next player A. When, what they're really saying is they're stylistically similar. I gotcha on this and it's quite possible that you're right.

I don't think anyone is realisticaly expecting Larry Bird Part II. Quite frankly, I'd be happy with Sue Bird, at this point.


Why not say he ha skill sets comparable to Drazen Petrovich or Detleft Shrempf or Toni Kucok or Kiki Wendehghe? There's a reason you stated Bird always going to the cream of the crop when you know how fans usually eat stuff like this up.

Solace I agree player comparisons are overall a joke because fans run with them.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-05-2008 10:06 PM]

Why make comparisons to Lamar Odom when you can make a comparison to a Top 5 of All Time player?


No why not compare him to other foreign players whose game have translated in the NBA to a considerable successful level, who play somewhat the same position and have the same body disposition?

Because there's no pizazzz behind such comparisons so as usual some of us Knickerbocker fans over reach with an extreme and the rest eat this up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, along with 3 snacks before, in-between, and after.

Take for instance those of us who are considered Haters, or Debbie Downers that wanted or was hoping Mayo would fall or be traded to us very rarely made player comparisons. When we did, we were putting Mayo in the category of Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, there might have been a Wade comparison. You didn't see threads started on the guy by the Haters comparing the kid or putting him in the same breath as Jordan, Magic,Payton,Kidd,Oscar Robertson.
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7/6/2008  8:33 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:


Because there's no pizazzz behind such comparisons so as usual some of us Knickerbocker fans over reach with an extreme and the rest eat this up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, along with 3 snacks before, in-between, and after.

Take for instance those of us who are considered Haters, or Debbie Downers that wanted or was hoping Mayo would fall or be traded to us very rarely made player comparisons. When we did, we were putting Mayo in the category of Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, there might have been a Wade comparison. You didn't see threads started on the guy by the Haters comparing the kid or putting him in the same breath as Jordan, Magic,Payton,Kidd,Oscar Robertson.

Why do you have to start this crap? Stop living in the past with all this label crap. Haven't we had enough of that over the last few years. Let's just argue the merits of this topic. There are no clear cut divisions in this. Guys from all sides of the fence have expressed their opinions and there's no political agenda here from any one group against another.

Gallo is a good prospect and nothing more just like Mayo. We couldn't get Mayo who MOST of the board wanted as our pick, so the only issue is in who we would take if he wasn't there. Some of us like Gallo as a prospect and we state some of the things we think we see and hear about him. Others don't feel the same way, but in each case it is an educated guess, just like most draft picks.

To say that someone sees a little bit of the same skills as Bird isn't the same as saying he'll be just like Bird. As the title of the thread suggests they see "SOME" Bird like skills.
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7/6/2008  8:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by purple012870:

Hey...IDIOTS...

I didn't say he would be the next Larry Bird, didn't say he was as good or better. He doesn't nearly have any sort of resume' to make such a comparison---OBVIOUSLY.

I merely noted that at 6'9" +, he has some of the ball skills that Bird had. We obviously cannot favorably compare a kid that none of us are that familiar to an all time great, but I would think that ---on a supposed Knick fan site--- we can reference a few skills that the kid has to another player, even if that player is Bird.

Is that such a difficult concept to understand?

Reading is fundamental. If it makes you feel better, I understood what you meant. This is actually the same reason why nbadraft.net needs to stop posting player comparisons. People read those and assume that they're intending it to mean that a young player will be the next player A. When, what they're really saying is they're stylistically similar. I gotcha on this and it's quite possible that you're right.

I don't think anyone is realisticaly expecting Larry Bird Part II. Quite frankly, I'd be happy with Sue Bird, at this point.


Why not say he ha skill sets comparable to Drazen Petrovich or Detleft Shrempf or Toni Kucok or Kiki Wendehghe? There's a reason you stated Bird always going to the cream of the crop when you know how fans usually eat stuff like this up.

Solace I agree player comparisons are overall a joke because fans run with them.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-05-2008 10:06 PM]

Why make comparisons to Lamar Odom when you can make a comparison to a Top 5 of All Time player?


No why not compare him to other foreign players whose game have translated in the NBA to a considerable successful level, who play somewhat the same position and have the same body disposition?

Because there's no pizazzz behind such comparisons so as usual some of us Knickerbocker fans over reach with an extreme and the rest eat this up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, along with 3 snacks before, in-between, and after.

Take for instance those of us who are considered Haters, or Debbie Downers that wanted or was hoping Mayo would fall or be traded to us very rarely made player comparisons. When we did, we were putting Mayo in the category of Joe Johnson, Brandon Roy, there might have been a Wade comparison. You didn't see threads started on the guy by the Haters comparing the kid or putting him in the same breath as Jordan, Magic,Payton,Kidd,Oscar Robertson.

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7/6/2008  11:18 PM
A lot of people compared him to the mature Turkoglu. I'd be very happy if Gallo's upside matches what Turkoglu did this past season (hopefully it'll take less than a decade to get there). Turkoglu was one of the top scorers in the 4th quarter and in many instances, Orlando's primary ball handles.

19.5ppg, 5apg, 5.7rpg.

We'll get a better idea about his capabilities soon enough once the summer league starts.
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7/7/2008  5:38 AM
Posted by technomaster:

A lot of people compared him to the mature Turkoglu. I'd be very happy if Gallo's upside matches what Turkoglu did this past season (hopefully it'll take less than a decade to get there). Turkoglu was one of the top scorers in the 4th quarter and in many instances, Orlando's primary ball handles.

19.5ppg, 5apg, 5.7rpg.

We'll get a better idea about his capabilities soon enough once the summer league starts.


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7/7/2008  7:29 AM
Instead of comparing him to other foreign players or American white players, why not compare him to African American players? Are basketball comparisons supposed to be segregated by race? How about comparing Gallo to Chris Bosch? If my memory serves me well, Bosch was drafted after his freshman year, so he entered the nba at about the same age. Bosch had to put on weight to play the 4. Bosch had a good outside shot and has good mobility. He's not known for his defense.
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7/7/2008  7:33 AM
Posted by Ira:

Instead of comparing him to other foreign players or American white players, why not compare him to African American players? Are basketball comparisons supposed to be segregated by race? How about comparing Gallo to Chris Bosch? If my memory serves me well, Bosch was drafted after his freshman year, so he entered the nba at about the same age. Bosch had to put on weight to play the 4. Bosch had a good outside shot and has good mobility. He's not known for his defense.
Good idea since he, Gallo will have to play against and with players of all races.


[Edited by - markji on 07-07-2008 08:15 AM]
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7/7/2008  7:58 AM
Posted by nixluva:

whenever someone mentions a kid being like an All Time great I find it wrong for people to assume they mean he's "literally" like that player. i think they mean it more in that he has elements of that players game, if not some potential to do similar things on a lower scale.

i think we all know that players like Bird are a rare breed. To suggest that Gallo has some of the same kinds of overall skills that could make him successful isn't blasphemy. We'll see how the kid develops, but his not being a Josh Smith type of athlete, but still highly skilled gives him a chance to do some Bird like things on the court. He uses is brain and guile like Bird. He's athletic enough to be effective if he plays smart and uses superior technique. In particular on defense. Knowing how much space to give an opponent or how to cut off penetration. Thinking several moves ahead. I hope Gallo will be that kind of player. He seems to have some of those skills already from what we know of him. We'll see.
yea.. well said. This thread is "Gallinari has some Larry Bird looking skills"

as opposed to what Isles read: "Gallinari is better than Larry Bird and sleeps with your sister"

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7/7/2008  8:12 AM
Posted by Ira:

Instead of comparing him to other foreign players or American white players, why not compare him to African American players? Are basketball comparisons supposed to be segregated by race? How about comparing Gallo to Chris Bosch? If my memory serves me well, Bosch was drafted after his freshman year, so he entered the nba at about the same age. Bosch had to put on weight to play the 4. Bosch had a good outside shot and has good mobility. He's not known for his defense.


Every NBA ANALYST every commentator will ALWAYS compare european players with a white NBA that has established himself.

Just like if any other black women are really good at tennis they will be compared to the Williams sisters.

The same with Tiger woods.

So why are you trying to buck a trend that has been going on for yrs with professional announcers and analyst.

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7/7/2008  8:43 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Ira:

Instead of comparing him to other foreign players or American white players, why not compare him to African American players? Are basketball comparisons supposed to be segregated by race? How about comparing Gallo to Chris Bosch? If my memory serves me well, Bosch was drafted after his freshman year, so he entered the nba at about the same age. Bosch had to put on weight to play the 4. Bosch had a good outside shot and has good mobility. He's not known for his defense.


Every NBA ANALYST every commentator will ALWAYS compare european players with a white NBA that has established himself.

Just like if any other black women are really good at tennis they will be compared to the Williams sisters.

The same with Tiger woods.

So why are you trying to buck a trend that has been going on for yrs with professional announcers and analyst.

Why not?
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7/7/2008  8:45 AM
Seriously, playa, I like the Bosch comparison better than the Bird comparison so I thought I'd throw it out and see what others thought.
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7/7/2008  8:48 AM
You can if you want to Ira , but it isn't likely that many would.

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7/7/2008  9:16 AM
Posted by playa2:

You can if you want to Ira , but it isn't likely that many would.
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I used him as an analogy, you want me to mention someone else that isn't that intimidating nalod?
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7/7/2008  11:19 AM
Eddy Curry has some Shaq looking skills.
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7/7/2008  11:22 AM
Gallinari has Larry Bird looking skills in the same way Adam Morrison has Larry Bird looking skills.
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7/7/2008  11:34 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I think we've seen enough guys like Gallo come over and be successful. The speed difference isn't a problem for Hedo, AK47, Memo, Tony Parker, Manu etc. I don't think Gallo is slow, he may not be the quickest guy, but there's one thing that people tend to overlook, the reason why guys like Bird and Pierce are so effective at getting by their man, even tho they aren't blazingly fast is that they can SHOOT with just a little room. This is why Gallo can be successful, The kid forces his man to play closer and since he has a solid handle just like Bird or Pierce or Odom for that matter, it puts his defender at a disadvantage and makes up for the lack of speed.

Once again go back and look at just who Gallo is beating or breaking down and you'll notice that it's often smaller quicker guards in addition to guys his size. Being highly skilled makes you a much more dangerous weapon. He also draws contact with is a particular skill that not everyone has. Pierce has this too and it also makes up for any lack of speed. I think Gallo has an excellent shot to be successful if he continues to develop and get's stronger. The speed factor is overblown. Especially for a guy 6-10 or more. Guys his size won't be fast enough and smaller guys won't be big enough to effect his shot.

Good post. Now add to what you said (moves and intelligence) a lot of HEART. Man, if you have above average skill and are full or heart and desire, you will succeed. I guess there is a limit but this kid at 19 was the go to man on his team going up against men, many of which were former nba and college players. They were giving him their all cause they wanted to stop this so called "great kid", but they couldn't.

I'm really excited to see how (not if) his game translates to the nba. No doubt he will get his share of points. The thing we are all really concerned with is his defense and the highlights don't really show much there. Even summer league is not going to be that much for him. I think we all expect him to shine there, the regular season is where it will be at for Gallo.

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