Posted by Markji:

I dont understand your angle? If Duhon is signed for only two years--how does that get the ball rolling? You're expecting a deep playoff run and continuity with this deal which cost the Knicks 12mm per year? I really believe its simple--either you rebuild or you dont--this in the middle stuff doesnt do anything. When you say 2010 atleast there is HOPE ONLY if we can shed a good deal of salary but there is very reasonable hope and that hope is a plan. Getting another high draft pick is a plan. Getting rid of players is a plan. Overpaying back ups is bad business.

I believe he is only making $5.8 million/yr , not $12million/yr
I dont think we should just tank for the next 2 years. We should try to be competitive; develop our young players; teach our veterans, if possible, how to play team ball. I am not for giving up, rolling over and playing dead.

D'Antoni has a great record as coach and is making $5 or $6 million/year. We have to get some players for him, but also, it is up to him to mold the present players into a team. He has to earn his money as well. So we give him some new parts (Gallinai and now Duhon) and see what he can do!

Posted by islesfan:

This team needed a facilitator. They needed someone to help inflate the numbers of some of the players who we need to trade in the next 2 years. Duhon isn't that guy. He's nothing more than a mediocre backup.

This move is a total waste of time.

Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.

Great, so we got Chris Childs/Charlie Ward Part II! This is certainly a step forward for us :(

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Markji:

I dont understand your angle? If Duhon is signed for only two years--how does that get the ball rolling? You're expecting a deep playoff run and continuity with this deal which cost the Knicks 12mm per year? I really believe its simple--either you rebuild or you dont--this in the middle stuff doesnt do anything. When you say 2010 atleast there is HOPE ONLY if we can shed a good deal of salary but there is very reasonable hope and that hope is a plan. Getting another high draft pick is a plan. Getting rid of players is a plan. Overpaying back ups is bad business.

I believe he is only making $5.8 million/yr , not $12million/yr
I dont think we should just tank for the next 2 years. We should try to be competitive; develop our young players; teach our veterans, if possible, how to play team ball. I am not for giving up, rolling over and playing dead.

D'Antoni has a great record as coach and is making $5 or $6 million/year. We have to get some players for him, but also, it is up to him to mold the present players into a team. He has to earn his money as well. So we give him some new parts (Gallinai and now Duhon) and see what he can do!

I think we are paying Duhon 12 mm a year with the taxes but MSG can jack up the prices on their customers again to take care of that.

I agree with you about development as a major priority. But Dantoni has used a very tight 7-8 man rotation[even less at times] since he has been in the nBA --so you are asking a man to change his coaching style to develop. I dont like the word tank either I believe it should be dubbed a developmental season in the best interests of the franchise. What you are writing sounds like a plan to be medicore--it doesnt get you anywhere in sports ever.

This whole thing about great record and team ball may be over rated--if you look at Dantoni's record without nash he's a lottery coach.

Was this really a good hire for where we are? Paying him 6mm a year for a club that really needs to be axed? This is really confusing when you step back and think about it.

The NY Post article (which came out about an hour ago) says it's a 2 year $6.5 mil contract

Duhon will reportedly receive a two-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception. The total contract value will be approximately $12 million--from the Sporting News

Yeah, I know--that's an older article than the one I mentioned.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Markji:

I dont understand your angle? If Duhon is signed for only two years--how does that get the ball rolling? You're expecting a deep playoff run and continuity with this deal which cost the Knicks 12mm per year? I really believe its simple--either you rebuild or you dont--this in the middle stuff doesnt do anything. When you say 2010 atleast there is HOPE ONLY if we can shed a good deal of salary but there is very reasonable hope and that hope is a plan. Getting another high draft pick is a plan. Getting rid of players is a plan. Overpaying back ups is bad business.

I believe he is only making $5.8 million/yr , not $12million/yr
I dont think we should just tank for the next 2 years. We should try to be competitive; develop our young players; teach our veterans, if possible, how to play team ball. I am not for giving up, rolling over and playing dead.

D'Antoni has a great record as coach and is making $5 or $6 million/year. We have to get some players for him, but also, it is up to him to mold the present players into a team. He has to earn his money as well. So we give him some new parts (Gallinai and now Duhon) and see what he can do!

I think we are paying Duhon 12 mm a year with the taxes but MSG can jack up the prices on their customers again to take care of that.

I agree with you about development as a major priority. But Dantoni has used a very tight 7-8 man rotation[even less at times] since he has been in the nBA --so you are asking a man to change his coaching style to develop. I dont like the word tank either I believe it should be dubbed a developmental season in the best interests of the franchise. What you are writing sounds like a plan to be medicore--it doesnt get you anywhere in sports ever.

This whole thing about great record and team ball may be over rated--if you look at Dantoni's record without nash he's a lottery coach.

Was this really a good hire for where we are? Paying him 6mm a year for a club that really needs to be axed? This is really confusing when you step back and think about it.

The NY Post article (which came out about an hour ago) says it's a 2 year $6.5 mil contract

Duhon will reportedly receive a two-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception. The total contract value will be approximately $12 million--from the Sporting News

Yeah, I know--that's an older article than the one I mentioned.

Daily News also has it at 2 years, $6.5 mil

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by DaMano718:

what is the issue here. We have a potentially good pg, under d;antoni, and if anything, this will make marbury compete his ass off this yr, to get his next contract with another team... for 3mm a yr, or 6.5 total, this makes absolute sence. Anything to get production out of marbury is worth a short, small contract like that. and second, if it doesnt motivate marbury, then duhon might be something special... if d'antoni thinks this kid can thrive in his system, then i am going to have to take my chances with this kid... coach is the expert on pg play, not us.

Also--lets just stay with facts---Marcus Banks the year before he came to Pheonix and when he left Pheonix--show me with fact how Dantoni made him better? Marcus Banks is the guy he wanted.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3716/career;_ylt=AmOh.fS9.XZI90dWo2vWSf2kvLYF

BRIGGS, you are coach. How do you distribute minutes at the 1 & 2 between Nash, Bell, Barbosa?

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.

Great, so we got Chris Childs/Charlie Ward Part II! This is certainly a step forward for us :(

Hey, I will take it another Childs or Ward at this point. First let me say I am not the biggest Duhon advocate, I would have personally liked to see what we could get from Nate as the point in an up-tempo offense, but oh well.

Duhon is not the most skilled point to ever walk into MSG, not by a long shot. I really could care less what we're paying him for the two years he's here. 2010 is the goal, and this does not affect it in any way what so ever. We already knew we would have to over pay to get anyone to sign a 2 year contract. Once the years over, Duhon is instantly an expiring contract anyways.

I think the major perk of this signing is the change in atmosphere we're bringing to the Garden. Complain about Duhon not being overwhelmingly talented, that's fair. But after the circus that's set up tent at MSG the past 4 years, it's a breath of fresh air to bring in a player that acts as a PROFESSIONAL. If $12 M over 2 years is what it takes to get rid of Stephon, by all means, I'll support it.

This year is going to be another important lotto year. We aren't close to a finished product, might as well add another piece next summer and remove any cancers we can before they spoil the young guys. It's actually reminiscent of a PLAN. Overall, I'll support this move. In Donnie we trust.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MaTT4281:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.

Great, so we got Chris Childs/Charlie Ward Part II! This is certainly a step forward for us :(

Hey, I will take it another Childs or Ward at this point. First let me say I am not the biggest Duhon advocate, I would have personally liked to see what we could get from Nate as the point in an up-tempo offense, but oh well.

Duhon is not the most skilled point to ever walk into MSG, not by a long shot. I really could care less what we're paying him for the two years he's here. 2010 is the goal, and this does not affect it in any way what so ever. We already knew we would have to over pay to get anyone to sign a 2 year contract. Once the years over, Duhon is instantly an expiring contract anyways.

I think the major perk of this signing is the change in atmosphere we're bringing to the Garden. Complain about Duhon not being overwhelmingly talented, that's fair. But after the circus that's set up tent at MSG the past 4 years, it's a breath of fresh air to bring in a player that acts as a PROFESSIONAL. If $12 M over 2 years is what it takes to get rid of Stephon, by all means, I'll support it.

This year is going to be another important lotto year. We aren't close to a finished product, might as well add another piece next summer and remove any cancers we can before they spoil the young guys. It's actually reminiscent of a PLAN. Overall, I'll support this move. In Donnie we trust.

Yeah, a Ward or Childs would certainly be worth one of our 15 roster spots.

I'm not sure if that's what Duhon is or is it moreso what we want him to be. He has some qualities that may be comparable at the same time Ward and Childs played on Knick teams whose whole temperament was night and day when compared to our team. So if Duhon isn't a true fire natural born leader he won't be anything more than an overpriced signing for 2yrs.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-04-2008 7:38 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MaTT4281:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by Ira:

1) He plays defense. Remember how you all said we have to get better defensively?
2) He distributes the ball.
3) He can hit open 3's.
4) He's not worried about how many shots he gets or his scoring average.

Great, so we got Chris Childs/Charlie Ward Part II! This is certainly a step forward for us :(

Hey, I will take it another Childs or Ward at this point. First let me say I am not the biggest Duhon advocate, I would have personally liked to see what we could get from Nate as the point in an up-tempo offense, but oh well.

Duhon is not the most skilled point to ever walk into MSG, not by a long shot. I really could care less what we're paying him for the two years he's here. 2010 is the goal, and this does not affect it in any way what so ever. We already knew we would have to over pay to get anyone to sign a 2 year contract. Once the years over, Duhon is instantly an expiring contract anyways.

I think the major perk of this signing is the change in atmosphere we're bringing to the Garden. Complain about Duhon not being overwhelmingly talented, that's fair. But after the circus that's set up tent at MSG the past 4 years, it's a breath of fresh air to bring in a player that acts as a PROFESSIONAL. If $12 M over 2 years is what it takes to get rid of Stephon, by all means, I'll support it.

This year is going to be another important lotto year. We aren't close to a finished product, might as well add another piece next summer and remove any cancers we can before they spoil the young guys. It's actually reminiscent of a PLAN. Overall, I'll support this move. In Donnie we trust.

Yeah, a Ward or Childs would certainly be worth one of our 15 roster spots.

I'm not sure if that's what Duhon is or is it moreso what we want him to be. He has some qualities that may be comparable at the same time Ward and Childs played on Knick teams whose whole temperament was night and day when compared to our team. Do if Duhon isn't a true fire natural born leader who won't be anything more than an overpriced signing for 2yrs.

So there's an upside and really low risk