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BasketballJones
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7/3/2008  12:32 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by playa2:

If the NBA REALLY CARED for the young players today, they wouldn't just have someone get up in front of them for a few minutes or a day.

The method they are using might be well taken by past generation ball players, but these guys make a significant more amount of money in such a short amount of time it ain't funny.

IMHO to reach this generation the NBA should put together a filmed documentary of interviews done with former players who never planned for their future and thought the money would last forever.

We live in a video generation now, so if you really want to get something across to young people you don't just lecture them with knowledge, you also put it in a cinema(video) type form, then you would get their undivided attention.

Show them the players who played decades before them who also thought they knew it all, have them explain and discuss their extravagant lifestyles and baby making adventures.

Then after you show the bad news on what not to do, show a video on those who made some intelligent and wise decisions after playing ball and then have some financial experts to give some sound advice on what to do with some of their money that won't even affect their current lifestyle.

This would show me that the NBA "really cared"

Maybe cartoons can help.

Don't blame the NBA, the Union does plenty to help them.

Instant money is not an easy thing to digest.

I'd like to try.
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7/3/2008  12:37 PM
Some of you all need to go back and watch the movie trading places with Eddie Murphy and Dan ACKROYD.







[Edited by - playa2 on 03-07-2008 12:41]
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7/3/2008  1:16 PM
I think the players union needs to step up in regards to this (I say this not knowing what they are currently doing). I can remember being 20yrs old. I played college football in D1-AA and I know the issues with that. Being a 20 yr old basketball player at the top of my game and having 4 mil. in my pocket would be a very tough thing to handle from a maturity standpoint. Your mind isn't on 10yrs from now. Its on doing all of the things in life you've dreamed about. It's easy to look down on a kid and say, "well he should know better". Now people like Spree?? No excuse in my book for players like him . . . and I'm a big Sprewell fan.
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7/3/2008  2:22 PM
Posted by rocknick:

I think the players union needs to step up in regards to this (I say this not knowing what they are currently doing). I can remember being 20yrs old. I played college football in D1-AA and I know the issues with that. Being a 20 yr old basketball player at the top of my game and having 4 mil. in my pocket would be a very tough thing to handle from a maturity standpoint. Your mind isn't on 10yrs from now. Its on doing all of the things in life you've dreamed about. It's easy to look down on a kid and say, "well he should know better". Now people like Spree?? No excuse in my book for players like him . . . and I'm a big Sprewell fan.

I'm not looking down on guys like this. I too know what it's like to be young. I also know what it's like to go from being poor to having some money in my pocket. But this is real life and if guys won't listen to the advice of veterans and 6 day seminars and team suggestions sometimes the only way they will learn is to suffer the consequences. Sometimes losing all your money is sthe one way to teach you to value your money. Now the NBA should constantly evolve in the way they try to teach these guys. They owe it to them. But they are not responsible for making sure these guys take advantage of the resources avaialable. It is up tot he players. Pretty damn sure bet that after they go bankrupt and then have to get regular jobs like the rest of us, they will begin to value money.

It is not the NBA's responsibility to make sure that a millionaire remains a millionaire. It is the millionaire's responsibility. Make bad choices and pay the consequences just like every other person on the planet.
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7/3/2008  2:30 PM
Posted by rocknick:

I think the players union needs to step up in regards to this (I say this not knowing what they are currently doing). I can remember being 20yrs old. I played college football in D1-AA and I know the issues with that. Being a 20 yr old basketball player at the top of my game and having 4 mil. in my pocket would be a very tough thing to handle from a maturity standpoint. Your mind isn't on 10yrs from now. Its on doing all of the things in life you've dreamed about. It's easy to look down on a kid and say, "well he should know better". Now people like Spree?? No excuse in my book for players like him . . . and I'm a big Sprewell fan.

Good post rocknick
most of these guys here are well in their 30's or older(40's), they have no clue how their lifestyle growing up where these young men grew up would effect the choices you make trying to have fun and live the life
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7/3/2008  2:36 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by rocknick:

I think the players union needs to step up in regards to this (I say this not knowing what they are currently doing). I can remember being 20yrs old. I played college football in D1-AA and I know the issues with that. Being a 20 yr old basketball player at the top of my game and having 4 mil. in my pocket would be a very tough thing to handle from a maturity standpoint. Your mind isn't on 10yrs from now. Its on doing all of the things in life you've dreamed about. It's easy to look down on a kid and say, "well he should know better". Now people like Spree?? No excuse in my book for players like him . . . and I'm a big Sprewell fan.

I'm not looking down on guys like this. I too know what it's like to be young. I also know what it's like to go from being poor to having some money in my pocket. But this is real life and if guys won't listen to the advice of veterans and 6 day seminars and team suggestions sometimes the only way they will learn is to suffer the consequences. Sometimes losing all your money is sthe one way to teach you to value your money. Now the NBA should constantly evolve in the way they try to teach these guys. They owe it to them. But they are not responsible for making sure these guys take advantage of the resources avaialable. It is up tot he players. Pretty damn sure bet that after they go bankrupt and then have to get regular jobs like the rest of us, they will begin to value money.

It is not the NBA's responsibility to make sure that a millionaire remains a millionaire. It is the millionaire's responsibility. Make bad choices and pay the consequences just like every other person on the planet.

Best line in the thread so far trumps whatever anyone else has stated.

Yep further reason as to why the NBA sets the age limit requirement because these guys are still babies up in the head. Part of the reason they get paid so much is because they accept the responsibility side of their profession. This involves not throwing your money away because you feel you can. The NBA would like nothing more than for these individuals to be smart with their money and invest it wisely because it could only help support the league but if these guys are trying to accomplish Rick Ross status before they actually play one NBA game by going out and buying 30 Cars getting into debt, then they deserve to hit Rock Bottom and the NBA has nothing to be ashamed of.
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7/3/2008  2:39 PM
You guys crack me up
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7/3/2008  2:47 PM
Posted by playa2:

You guys crack me up

You even moreso!
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7/3/2008  3:20 PM
Posted by playa2:

You guys crack me up

Me too...reeks of petty jealousy
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7/3/2008  3:24 PM
Sprewell rejected a $21M extension from the T-Wolves because he said "I've got my family to feed!". Now his boat is repossessed and his house was foreclosed on.

Some people are just stupid and can't be helped.
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7/3/2008  3:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Sprewell rejected a $21M extension from the T-Wolves because he said "I've got my family to feed!". Now his boat is repossessed and his house was foreclosed on.

Some people are just stupid and can't be helped.

We're not talking about the Spreewell's of the world. He's in a class all by himself. He's a very extreme case, in many respects.
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7/3/2008  3:58 PM
I made money and I lost money. I didn't blame others for not forcing me to learn to be better with my money. I called myself and idiot, learned from MY MISTAKES and made the money back.

I can almost see your point on the guys that come in and are then gone in 3 years. Those guys have little time to grow up. They make mistakes from 22-25 like most of us and never make that money again. Unfortunately now, many of them also were never taught the consequences of not studying or finishing school. Many of them go bankrupt and have no way to make a fraction of the money back. For this group I feel sorry for.

But what about the numerous cases of guys that are in baseball and football and basketball for 5,10, 15 years? What is their excuse? At what point is it your responsbility to grow up? We constantly take the responsibility away from athletes and refuse to hold them accountable. Its' always other people's fault. This is why they get to these leagues and never learn.

The bottom line is you become an instant millionaire. You spend your money on stupid shiot. You lose all your money. Then you get a job and become like the rest of us. Personally I don't think it's really that bad of a punishment to be like the rest of us.



[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-07-2008 3:59 PM]
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7/3/2008  4:09 PM
when you are in the situation being coddled all your formative yrs , growing up with a broken home, TV becomes your standard on how to live and what to get a buy growing up.

Now if you or I would have won the lottery at 18-19 yrs old, how many hanger oners would we still have ? How many school buddies would still be our friends. Who would we trust with all the vultures out there plus relatives. This is how a kid coming from an uneducated family has to think.

I don't think everyone would make the right choices in those type of circumstances.

You don't really know what you would do in those circumstances.
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7/3/2008  4:18 PM
Playa I agree with you, but you are missing the point. Sometimes consequences are how you learn. These guys are coddled all their lives and then we expect the NBA to hand hold them for the next 20 years as well. When does the NBA's responsibility end and the players begin. Maybe if enough guys go broke, more will finally learn. Hand holding and beggin someone to listen to you sometimes isn't the best method. Sometimes people have to learn from their mistakes.

I'd personally like to see a group of guys that have gone through what these kids have gone through, put together groups to teach them.

I'm not judging these guys. I've done stupid shiot at the same age. The thing is life taught me valuable lessons and now I don't make those mistakes anymore and can actually teach anyone a thing or too about frugal living. Life is just teaching these guys the same lessons. The difference is that you feel people like me have to learn from my mistakes but that these guys shouldn't have to.
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7/3/2008  4:24 PM
Posted by playa2:

when you are in the situation being coddled all your formative yrs , growing up with a broken home, TV becomes your standard on how to live and what to get a buy growing up.

Now if you or I would have won the lottery at 18-19 yrs old, how many hanger oners would we still have ? How many school buddies would still be our friends. Who would we trust with all the vultures out there plus relatives. This is how a kid coming from an uneducated family has to think.

I don't think everyone would make the right choices in those type of circumstances.

You don't really know what you would do in those circumstances.

This is exactly right. Many athletes, thrust in the limelight and with little-to-no background on how to deal with such circumstances, are essentially sitting ducks. Its not the same as Joe-Anonymous getting a decent windfall from his corporate job.

Its easy to sit here and pass judgment considering that I damn near eat Ramen noodles every night, but I think its unfair to not appreciate what many top-shelf athletes are faced with. Impoverished backgrounds, youth, mental and physical demands, hanger-ons...ext.

Nothing is absolute, and I understand that it can be hard to garner sympathy for NBA'ers considering how out-of-whack the pay scales are



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7/3/2008  4:30 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by playa2:

when you are in the situation being coddled all your formative yrs , growing up with a broken home, TV becomes your standard on how to live and what to get a buy growing up.

Now if you or I would have won the lottery at 18-19 yrs old, how many hanger oners would we still have ? How many school buddies would still be our friends. Who would we trust with all the vultures out there plus relatives. This is how a kid coming from an uneducated family has to think.

I don't think everyone would make the right choices in those type of circumstances.

You don't really know what you would do in those circumstances.

This is exactly right. Many athletes, thrust in the limelight and with little-to-no background on how to deal with such circumstances, are essentially sitting ducks. Its not the same as Joe-Anonymous getting a decent windfall from his corporate job.

Its easy to sit here and pass judgment considering that I damn near eat Ramen noodles every night, but I think its unfair to not appreciate what many top-shelf athletes are faced with. Impoverished backgrounds, youth, mental and physical demands, hanger-ons...ext.

Nothing is absolute, and I understand that it can be hard to garner sympathy for NBA'ers considering how out-of-whack the pay scales are

I think everyone on this site acknowledges what you and playa keep saying they don't acknowledge. Yes we understand young guys are poor, get lots of money and don't know what to do with it. So the question becomes what should the NBA be doing? If a 6 day seminar and ongoing training from team officials isn't enough, what is? The resources are there for everyone but noone wants to listen to the corporate exec of the team telling you what you should be doing. So what is the solution? We have taught these kids over and over that the execs don't care about their well being so how do we get the kids to listen to anyone besides those making the same mistakes? When is it the responsibility of the player to explore his own circumstances?

It is not their right to be millionaires. If they pay the consequences the life hands them because they don't want to listen to the resources given to them, they simply become like you and me. It's not that bad.
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7/3/2008  5:22 PM
I think the disconnect is more pronounced than you think, as evidenced by guys like TrueBlue who practically salivate at the prospects of athletes stumbling and ultimately failing.

Sure, there is no constitutional provision that states that people must maintain their economic status, but these players aren't handed anything (look at out current President if you want to see someone who has been handed everything in life, including Commander In Chief)

The only reason why they earn so much is because owners are making so much more off of them. Given the extreme, and unnatural pressures associated with the job, I think the NBA (and yes the Players association) should take a greater interest in ensuring that the guys, whose bodies drive the engine, are at least safeguarded somewhat.
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7/3/2008  5:37 PM
haven't read the whole thread but it is funny to me that the very best place, and probably the time where most of us matured and learned about responsibility, finances, living on our own, etc, is at the college plantation.
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7/3/2008  6:05 PM
Posted by martin:

haven't read the whole thread but it is funny to me that the very best place, and probably the time where most of us matured and learned about responsibility, finances, living on our own, etc, is at the college plantation.

But the difference is that students only go to college for the education.

The so called student athlete who generates money for the university is there because he was to turn pro.

If everybody really cared, the NCAA, THE STUDENT ATHLETE AND THE NBA owners, we wouldn't be talking like this.

Plantation AD's only want their crop (money made) by their slaves and really don't care that much what kind of background they came from .

The NBA cares more about how they look(dress) for work, than how they function in life. What is wrong with that picture? The players are the product that creates all the buzz , shouldn't those owners and AD'S show more concern about the players?



[Edited by - playa2 on 03-07-2008 18:08]
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7/3/2008  6:11 PM
Yeah, its absurd that athletes are generating billions of dollars and not seeing a penny. On top of that student-athletes literally are worked like slaves and receive everything but the whip...well.

And as far as a free education, I receive a free education by virtue of my high school grades, coupled with my parents complete lack of income. I dont work near as hard as athletes at major programs and I dont directly contribute to a billion-dollar kitty pot.

But we've all made these arguments before. We know where everyone stands around here by now. That said, I think many would reconsider if they had a son starring on the Kentucky b-ball team.
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