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6/30/2008  5:23 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
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I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

that's why i think alot of it will be a wait-it-out approach. if they just wait, they will be somewhere around $9 mil under w/o doing anything. make 1 simple trade between now and next season and they could be $20 mil under by making that 1 move alone. but this approach calls for a team that won't crack 35 wins for 2 years in a row.

1) I'm not so sure about them being a simple trade away from being $20M under the cap.

2) I don't think D'Antonio would be very happy with 35 wins for 2 years in a row because he's stuck with this roster, due to a wait-it-out approach.

do you really think that both D'Antonio and Walsh sat back after accepting new jobs and thought that they could completely turn this caca roster over within 2 years AND simultaneously and publicly state that they want to keep the cap number good for 2010?
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6/30/2008  5:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.



Its not as easy as it seemed to acquire another pick. Mark Cuban said the asking price was very high in the upper second round and if Marc said it--then its believable. Chicago did pay 3 second round picks + 500K for pick 36==our pick that we gave away last year. To me thats cost prohibitive unless you thought someone was really really worth the price.

According to ESPN.com:

Washington traded the draft rights to Bill Walker for cash considerations
Seattle traded the 56th pick for cash considerations
New Orleans traded their first round pick for cash considerations
Portland traded the 36th pick for 2 future 2nd rounders
Minnesota traded their 34th pick (Mario Chalmers) for 2 future 2nd rounders
Miami traded the 52nd pick for a future 2nd rounder
Chicago traded the 39th pick for a 2009 2nd rounder
San Antonio put the 26th pick up for sale

You can't tell me that the Knicks couldn't have made 1 or 2 of those deals.
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6/30/2008  5:37 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

that's why i think alot of it will be a wait-it-out approach. if they just wait, they will be somewhere around $9 mil under w/o doing anything. make 1 simple trade between now and next season and they could be $20 mil under by making that 1 move alone. but this approach calls for a team that won't crack 35 wins for 2 years in a row.

1) I'm not so sure about them being a simple trade away from being $20M under the cap.

2) I don't think D'Antonio would be very happy with 35 wins for 2 years in a row because he's stuck with this roster, due to a wait-it-out approach.

do you really think that both D'Antonio and Walsh sat back after accepting new jobs and thought that they could completely turn this caca roster over within 2 years AND simultaneously and publicly state that they want to keep the cap number good for 2010?

Honestly, I don't know what they think. They might actually think that this isn't a caca roster or that they're a simple trade away from having enough cap space to offer LeBron.

What I do know is that I wouldn't trust these guys blindly.
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6/30/2008  5:47 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.



Its not as easy as it seemed to acquire another pick. Mark Cuban said the asking price was very high in the upper second round and if Marc said it--then its believable. Chicago did pay 3 second round picks + 500K for pick 36==our pick that we gave away last year. To me thats cost prohibitive unless you thought someone was really really worth the price.

According to ESPN.com:

Washington traded the draft rights to Bill Walker for cash considerations
Seattle traded the 56th pick for cash considerations
New Orleans traded their first round pick for cash considerations
Portland traded the 36th pick for 2 future 2nd rounders
Minnesota traded their 34th pick (Mario Chalmers) for 2 future 2nd rounders
Miami traded the 52nd pick for a future 2nd rounder
Chicago traded the 39th pick for a 2009 2nd rounder
San Antonio put the 26th pick up for sale

You can't tell me that the Knicks couldn't have made 1 or 2 of those deals.

That is coming from Espn--I would advise to read Marc Cuban. Could we have bought San Antonios pick? We dont know the asking price but it might ve been prhibitive menaing they wanted a 1 back + 3mm$
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6/30/2008  6:04 PM
God, the amount of crying over Gallinari and the negativity from one poster alone (isles) is pathetic. I hope you don't live your life like this isles.
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6/30/2008  6:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Here was their Top 10

1.Rose
2.Beasley
3.Mayo
4.B Lopez
5.Love
6.randolph
7.Gordon
8.Alexander
9.Westbrook
10.Gallinari


All before Gall-Atari and I'd wager he was probably projected around this spot on most other teams Mocks/Board in the league.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 12:59 PM]

i don't see Bayless on that list... & Westbrooke went #4 yet no one seems to think the Sonics made a huge mistake drafting him around here... are the Suns the measure of judging draft talent that we need to base the entire draft on?
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6/30/2008  7:04 PM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.

And you're arguing with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. Are they stupid? Their superior records seem to argue to the contrary.

apparently Donnie & D'Antoni don't know what they're talking about all of a sudden.
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6/30/2008  7:16 PM
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

I came to this conclusion as soon as Walsh let himself get played by Pringles D'Antonio. I think everyone needs to ask themselves if Kevin Pritchard was the captain of our ship would we have stood pat on draft day by making some mediocre pick and have Zach here, still on the roster? Look at what he did in Portland. He watched Zach play with his young up and coming team and saw the guy completely didn't fit and was only holding those players back. So the first chance he got, which was on draft day he traded Zach and he didn't care about the repercussions because there really weren't any. So what he ate Steve's Contract and bought it out, so what he acquired Snickerdoodle, who at this point is another I SAY UGH experiment gone bad. The guy simply didn't care. He was only concerned about moving forward without a cancer killing the team. He didn't care about Zach's 20/10. Then as we can see, Pritchard wasn't one-dimensional or shortsighted. He consummated about 2-3 other trades outside of the Zach trade in the 2007 draft and the yr prior he did the same thing. He stockpiled assests. He wasn't concerned if he won or loss on deals as long as he acquired assets. Once again this summer's draft he proves again he doesn't have a short sighted tunnel vision plan and makes a couple more savvy trades that only strengthened his team's future.

In contrast we have an ultra conservative GM with a coach who has to be catered to, otherwise the relationship stands to be strained immediately. The coach zeros in on a guy who has no more upside than about 5-10 players in the draft picked after him. DW rolls with it, without any aggressiveness and calculated plans in place besides trying to F over the Grizzlies with some Lame Butt offer of Lee & Malik for pick 5 and Cardinal. He was only interested just like NYK fans in screwing over other teams. Took the same approach in that the only concern is, if you can walk away from the trade and think you confidently won instead of reasoning the trade accomplished what we needed regardless of what the paper results say. The fact the #6 pick was never offered in trades proves we promised Danilo we'd pick him. This is why he stayed in the draft and this is why Thorn put us on blast. We tried to be extremely greedy or bust during this draft. If we couldn't buy the mansion then we'd rather live on the street in the back alleys of the Bronx. The #6 pick and some other asset of ours should have been offered for #5 and it should have been widely known we were interested in moving the pick to get as many teams calling us as possible. If we couldn't move up we should of had just as savvy of plans on the table to move down. As you said if we wanted more picks they were there for the taking and many of them wouldn't have involved guaranteed contracts.

Going by the rumored Memphis deal which I'm sure most Knick fans believe and then this rumored one with the Bulls there's a common trend. DW is holding back being extremely greedy. We have to go with the assumption both rumors are true otherwise we'd be picking and choosing what we want to believe. Why not offer Memphis the 6th pick? Why not try and get Hinrich for Randolph as long as we're not eating a ton of salary and clearing some cap room? I sure hope Walsh doesn't call himself trying to build up players like Randolph's value by rejecting trades while at the same time putting damaging press out there about Lee.

I'm not impressed how we've started out and as I said if Pritchard or Presti were here we'd be much further ahead.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 6:24 PM]
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6/30/2008  7:16 PM
That's great. Too bad Pritchard and Presti already have a job.
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6/30/2008  7:22 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

That's great. Too bad Pritchard and Presti already have a job.

The point he should be capable of duplicating at the minimum half of what they did.
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6/30/2008  7:52 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by buddapaw:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Andrew:

I dont think Gallinari worked out for them.

Many players do not work out for teams. Also I think Gallinari went 1-0 in his 2 workouts

...and Randolph was incredibly disappointing in his workouts and dropped like a stone.

Briggs like to overlook that and also the fact he didn't stand out on a very bad team.

forget BRIGGS--you are arguing the point with the hierarchy of the Suns and Golden State Warriors two teams who run similar styles who had Randolph ranked very high. You are arguing with Chris Mullin Don Nelson and Steve Kerr.

And you're arguing with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'Antoni. Are they stupid? Their superior records seem to argue to the contrary.

Why do people act like these guys are totally above reproach and infallible? It must be because of all of their championships.

Walsh was a total bust in Indiana for almost a decade before he hired Larry Brown and D'Antonio was 35-76 without Steve Nash, but now that they're together here they're supposed to be blindly trusted and anybody who disagrees with them should be ostricized.

Yeah, got it.

Why are people taking Chris Mullin/Don Nelson etc. as gospel. What happened was two legit NBA people with good track records made a conscious decision to take this player over some other prospects. What is different know is that they have a plan in place and are working together- compared to what we have seen over the last 10 years on this team, that alone should make this pick different.
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why mullin and nelson get props is b/c they're running a professional franchise...drunk...
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6/30/2008  8:10 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

I came to this conclusion as soon as Walsh let himself get played by Pringles D'Antonio. I think everyone needs to ask themselves if Kevin Pritchard was the captain of our ship would we have stood pat on draft day by making some mediocre pick and have Zach here, still on the roster? Look at what he did in Portland. He watched Zach play with his young up and coming team and saw the guy completely didn't fit and was only holding those players back. So the first chance he got, which was on draft day he traded Zach and he didn't care about the repercussions because there really weren't any. So what he ate Steve's Contract and bought it out, so what he acquired Snickerdoodle, who at this point is another I SAY UGH experiment gone bad. The guy simply didn't care. He was only concerned about moving forward without a cancer killing the team. He didn't care about Zach's 20/10. Then as we can see, Pritchard wasn't one-dimensional or shortsighted. He consummated about 2-3 other trades outside of the Zach trade in the 2007 draft and the yr prior he did the same thing. He stockpiled assests. He wasn't concerned if he won or loss on deals as long as he acquired assets. Once again this summer's draft he proves again he doesn't have a short sighted tunnel vision plan and makes a couple more savvy trades that only strengthened his team's future.

In contrast we have an ultra conservative GM with a coach who has to be catered to, otherwise the relationship stands to be strained immediately. The coach zeros in on a guy who has no more upside than about 5-10 players in the draft picked after him. DW rolls with it, without any aggressiveness and calculated plans in place besides trying to F over the Grizzlies with some Lame Butt offer of Lee & Malik for pick 5 and Cardinal. He was only interested just like NYK fans in screwing over other teams. Took the same approach in that the only concern is, if you can walk away from the trade and think you confidently won instead of reasoning the trade accomplished what we needed regardless of what the paper results say. The fact the #6 pick was never offered in trades proves we promised Danilo we'd pick him. This is why he stayed in the draft and this is why Thorn put us on blast. We tried to be extremely greedy or bust during this draft. If we couldn't buy the mansion then we'd rather live on the street in the back alleys of the Bronx. The #6 pick and some other asset of ours should have been offered for #5 and it should have been widely known we were interested in moving the pick to get as many teams calling us as possible. If we couldn't move up we should of had just as savvy of plans on the table to move down. As you said if we wanted more picks they were there for the taking and many of them wouldn't have involved guaranteed contracts.

Going by the rumored Memphis deal which I'm sure most Knick fans believe and then this rumored one with the Bulls there's a common trend. DW is holding back being extremely greedy. We have to go with the assumption both rumors are true otherwise we'd be picking and choosing what we want to believe. Why not offer Memphis the 6th pick? Why not try and get Hinrich for Randolph as long as we're not eating a ton of salary and clearing some cap room? I sure hope Walsh doesn't call himself trying to build up players like Randolph's value by rejecting trades while at the same time putting damaging press out there about Lee.

I'm not impressed how we've started out and as I said if Pritchard or Presti were here we'd be much further ahead.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 6:24 PM]

You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?
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6/30/2008  8:14 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

I came to this conclusion as soon as Walsh let himself get played by Pringles D'Antonio. I think everyone needs to ask themselves if Kevin Pritchard was the captain of our ship would we have stood pat on draft day by making some mediocre pick and have Zach here, still on the roster? Look at what he did in Portland. He watched Zach play with his young up and coming team and saw the guy completely didn't fit and was only holding those players back. So the first chance he got, which was on draft day he traded Zach and he didn't care about the repercussions because there really weren't any. So what he ate Steve's Contract and bought it out, so what he acquired Snickerdoodle, who at this point is another I SAY UGH experiment gone bad. The guy simply didn't care. He was only concerned about moving forward without a cancer killing the team. He didn't care about Zach's 20/10. Then as we can see, Pritchard wasn't one-dimensional or shortsighted. He consummated about 2-3 other trades outside of the Zach trade in the 2007 draft and the yr prior he did the same thing. He stockpiled assests. He wasn't concerned if he won or loss on deals as long as he acquired assets. Once again this summer's draft he proves again he doesn't have a short sighted tunnel vision plan and makes a couple more savvy trades that only strengthened his team's future.

In contrast we have an ultra conservative GM with a coach who has to be catered to, otherwise the relationship stands to be strained immediately. The coach zeros in on a guy who has no more upside than about 5-10 players in the draft picked after him. DW rolls with it, without any aggressiveness and calculated plans in place besides trying to F over the Grizzlies with some Lame Butt offer of Lee & Malik for pick 5 and Cardinal. He was only interested just like NYK fans in screwing over other teams. Took the same approach in that the only concern is, if you can walk away from the trade and think you confidently won instead of reasoning the trade accomplished what we needed regardless of what the paper results say. The fact the #6 pick was never offered in trades proves we promised Danilo we'd pick him. This is why he stayed in the draft and this is why Thorn put us on blast. We tried to be extremely greedy or bust during this draft. If we couldn't buy the mansion then we'd rather live on the street in the back alleys of the Bronx. The #6 pick and some other asset of ours should have been offered for #5 and it should have been widely known we were interested in moving the pick to get as many teams calling us as possible. If we couldn't move up we should of had just as savvy of plans on the table to move down. As you said if we wanted more picks they were there for the taking and many of them wouldn't have involved guaranteed contracts.

Going by the rumored Memphis deal which I'm sure most Knick fans believe and then this rumored one with the Bulls there's a common trend. DW is holding back being extremely greedy. We have to go with the assumption both rumors are true otherwise we'd be picking and choosing what we want to believe. Why not offer Memphis the 6th pick? Why not try and get Hinrich for Randolph as long as we're not eating a ton of salary and clearing some cap room? I sure hope Walsh doesn't call himself trying to build up players like Randolph's value by rejecting trades while at the same time putting damaging press out there about Lee.

I'm not impressed how we've started out and as I said if Pritchard or Presti were here we'd be much further ahead.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 6:24 PM]

You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?

Nope I mentioned who's style I'd want Pritchard and Presti's... I don't know how you missed it to be honest.
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Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:

I'm starting to doubt Walsh's ability to turn over this roster by 2010. IMHO, he blew several chances with the draft to either make trades to remove players, add players to use in trades to remove players or add players to build a core.

San Antonio's pick could have been bought. New Orleans' pick could have been bought. Seattle's #32 pick could have been bought. Minnesota's #34 pick could have been bought. So many missed opportunities to add assets for nothing. It's only going to get harder to trade some of these players. Lee's trade value is only going lower as he gets closer to free agency. Zach's trade value is only going lower as he continues to be Zach.

I came to this conclusion as soon as Walsh let himself get played by Pringles D'Antonio. I think everyone needs to ask themselves if Kevin Pritchard was the captain of our ship would we have stood pat on draft day by making some mediocre pick and have Zach here, still on the roster? Look at what he did in Portland. He watched Zach play with his young up and coming team and saw the guy completely didn't fit and was only holding those players back. So the first chance he got, which was on draft day he traded Zach and he didn't care about the repercussions because there really weren't any. So what he ate Steve's Contract and bought it out, so what he acquired Snickerdoodle, who at this point is another I SAY UGH experiment gone bad. The guy simply didn't care. He was only concerned about moving forward without a cancer killing the team. He didn't care about Zach's 20/10. Then as we can see, Pritchard wasn't one-dimensional or shortsighted. He consummated about 2-3 other trades outside of the Zach trade in the 2007 draft and the yr prior he did the same thing. He stockpiled assests. He wasn't concerned if he won or loss on deals as long as he acquired assets. Once again this summer's draft he proves again he doesn't have a short sighted tunnel vision plan and makes a couple more savvy trades that only strengthened his team's future.

In contrast we have an ultra conservative GM with a coach who has to be catered to, otherwise the relationship stands to be strained immediately. The coach zeros in on a guy who has no more upside than about 5-10 players in the draft picked after him. DW rolls with it, without any aggressiveness and calculated plans in place besides trying to F over the Grizzlies with some Lame Butt offer of Lee & Malik for pick 5 and Cardinal. He was only interested just like NYK fans in screwing over other teams. Took the same approach in that the only concern is, if you can walk away from the trade and think you confidently won instead of reasoning the trade accomplished what we needed regardless of what the paper results say. The fact the #6 pick was never offered in trades proves we promised Danilo we'd pick him. This is why he stayed in the draft and this is why Thorn put us on blast. We tried to be extremely greedy or bust during this draft. If we couldn't buy the mansion then we'd rather live on the street in the back alleys of the Bronx. The #6 pick and some other asset of ours should have been offered for #5 and it should have been widely known we were interested in moving the pick to get as many teams calling us as possible. If we couldn't move up we should of had just as savvy of plans on the table to move down. As you said if we wanted more picks they were there for the taking and many of them wouldn't have involved guaranteed contracts.

Going by the rumored Memphis deal which I'm sure most Knick fans believe and then this rumored one with the Bulls there's a common trend. DW is holding back being extremely greedy. We have to go with the assumption both rumors are true otherwise we'd be picking and choosing what we want to believe. Why not offer Memphis the 6th pick? Why not try and get Hinrich for Randolph as long as we're not eating a ton of salary and clearing some cap room? I sure hope Walsh doesn't call himself trying to build up players like Randolph's value by rejecting trades while at the same time putting damaging press out there about Lee.

I'm not impressed how we've started out and as I said if Pritchard or Presti were here we'd be much further ahead.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-30-2008 6:24 PM]

You want more of the isiah aggressive style trades? Didn't we just have 3-4 years of that crap?

Nope I mentioned who's style I'd want Pritchard and Presti's... I don't know how you missed it to be honest.

you can't change this team over night. The Knicks had one player in Lee who has value; 2 expirings in Marbury, Malik; and the 6th pick. The rest of the roster is virtually crap. And Donnie also wants to get under the cap in 2010.

To trade, you need a trading partner who is willing to take back what you can give. What can we give?

And also, Isiah has beens stock-piling assets, all for naught.

I am glad that Donnie is only interested in screwing other teams over instead of the Isiah style trades, which we get screwed over. And I am glad that you have the perception and insight to know that D'Antoni and Walsh's relationship would have been strained if the Knicks didn't pick Gallo cause I would have never seen that coming.

DW is holding back on trades cause he actually wants to get value? We should all call him up and demand less.
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6/30/2008  9:22 PM
Hi everyone, I have been following the forum for the last 3 years, and decided to finally join the forum, since I am now back in NYC. I was away attending college at University of Michigan. I look forward to playing ball and meeting some of the regular posters at this forum.

My two cents on the Gallinari pick. He's not a sexy pick and not as athletic as Joe Alexander, but he's a much more skilled player than Joe and can contribute more readily. He has good handles and a very good jump shot, something Balkman, Lee, and Jared Jeffries lacks. Also, the guy possess very good court vision, high IQ, and is a team player, which is something the Knicks is sorely lacking. This also means he should get playing time to develop as a player, as oppose to Joe who would probably ride the bench or play in the NBDL.

At the end, I think it's a safe and solid pick that fills the needs. Kind of reminds me of the 2001 draft, where Shane Battier (a PF in college expected to guard SF in NBA) was drafted as a 6th pick ahead of Eddie Griffin (7th), Joe Johnson(10th), and Richard Jefferson (13th). Gallanari may not ooze with potential, but you know what you're getting from him, and that's a high IQ, offensively skilled, team-oriented player with strong work ethic (you can't be this skilled at age 19 without good work ethics and IQ).

But you know as a fan, you always want more, as in we could have packaged this deal to get OJ Mayo or get some other developing talent. Keep in mind, however, we don't have a lot of good assets to work with, and we don't have roster room to develop anymore players (e.g. Jared Jordan and D-Nichols). So far, I think Donnie Walsh's decision has been solid; no need to make all these moves just for the sake of moving pieces, and waiting to see what players can be acquired in the free agency instead of wasting money on a 2nd round pick that may not make the roster. I wish the guy could be more aggressive, but so far his decisions has been solid and safe, which is a huge contrast to the past 4 years or so.

There is still a lot of time between now and November for Donnie to make some trades and pick up some free agents that will fit D'Antoni style of play.
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6/30/2008  9:28 PM
Hank, you are a gentleman & a scholar.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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6/30/2008  9:29 PM
hank needs to bring up his alba post count...
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6/30/2008  10:06 PM
Haha, I figure someone was going to ask me put up an Alba picture. TMS, thanks for the compliment, althought I don't consider much of a gentleman & scholar, but it's important to make a good first impression. Also, you seem to have the best and most abundant supplies of hotties; where is a good place I can start finding them?
"It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates." "I can pay someone to find a statistic that will prove cloudy days cause stock market crashes." -Silverfuel
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6/30/2008  10:28 PM
i could tell u but then i'd have to kill u brah.
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