I agree with Briggs Marc Jackson, Bracey Wright, and Hollis Price are studs in that league he played in for 11 games. The other league had Drake Diener Gerlad Fitch were studs and none of those guys would get a sniff at the NBA

Posted by King1:

I agree with Briggs Marc Jackson, Bracey Wright, and Hollis Price are studs in that league he played in for 11 games. The other league had Drake Diener Gerlad Fitch were studs and none of those guys would get a sniff at the NBA

Those guys would dominate NCAA competition. Point is, the worst players would be all conference players .. plus experience. He's not playing against these guys when they were 20 years old. He's playing against them now, against them in their prime. These teams played NBA teams competitively last pre-season. Its not an argument guys.. really, just accept it.

After Westbrook went, they like this kid better than anything left. I don't have a problem with it. Randolph would have been nice on a trade down.. but they liked Gallinari's skill better. We have a bunch of fans that like athleticism here.. this is more of a size/skill pick.. with very under-rated athleticism. He can't jump.. but that is about it. He's a potential nightmare to matchup against. I trust Walsh and D'Antoni on this one. Seeing him cross up power forwards at 19, at his height.. helped to convince me.

Posted by BRIGGS:

11 games 32 min per avg

pts per game 14.9 Rebounds 4.2 assists 1.7 Blocks 0.4 FIELD GOAL % 42% FT 78%


42% shooting and 4 rebounds with no block shots and only 31% 3pt shooting in 32 minutes from a 6-10 player in NON NBA action as in 4 levels down

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danilo-Gallinari-535/

You mean playing in a league that sent some teams over here this past pre season to scrimmage NBA squads, a couple of them even beating the NBA squads?

Unicaja 102, Memphis 99
Real Madrid 104, Toronto 103

The Raptors also squeaked out just 6 pt wins against Zalgiris and Lottomatica Roma.
Efes Pilsen, who finished last in Euro Play, lost by 3 to the TWOLVES

The teams in the euro league would wipe the floor with Mens division 1 college basketball. WIPE THE FLOOR. And Gallinari was averaging 15 a game as a 19 year old. Imagine what he could have done playing against kids

There is so much nonsense being posted on this thread. I'd love to see Kansas in Euro League Play. They would struggle to win a single game

What he was able to do in Euro League Play as a 19 year old is tremendous. Its as close a league to the NBA as there is in the world. Gallinari was top 10 in scoring in the league and finished 2nd in the entire league in FT attempts. Against grown men, in the highest level of play the world has to offer outside of the NBA. Quote from a long time Eastern Conference scout....

"If you put him in college ball, he’d be getting 25-30 (points) a night and everyone would be going ga-ga.”


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[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 01:44 AM]

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.

And he also tore it up in college. JJ Redick was one of the best college scorers in the history of NCAA basketball. He averaged 27 a game his senior year. Can he get off the bench? How's Mateen Cleaves and Ed Obannon doing after their legendary college careers. How about Jared Jeffries leading a team to an NCAA Final to face a power house led by Juan Dixon, Steve Blake and Chris Wilcox? How about Miles Simon and Michael Dickerson being stars.

The level of play in the euro league is far better than that of college. they send teams here that actually beat NBA squads in pre season. Imagine sending Kansas over here to scrimmage Toronto, they'd get beat by 40

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 01:52 AM]

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:02 AM]

College basketball has been skewed by early entry--let say for instance lebron james was added as afreshmen to the huskies 2003 title team when lebrom went to the nba


C-Okafor 6-10 260
F Charlie Villenueva 6-11 245
F Lebron James 6-8 245
G Ben Gordon 6-2 200
G Taliek Brown 6-1 200
Hilton Arsmtrong 6-11 245
Josh Boone 6-10 245
Rashard Andersen 6-6 225
Denham Brown 6-6 225
Marcus Williams 6-3 215

I have this feeling that they would not only win afew games in the euro league but they would absolutely devestate the league. This team would win 50 games in the nBA easy

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-28-2008 02:48 AM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.

And he also tore it up in college. JJ Redick was one of the best college scorers in the history of NCAA basketball. He averaged 27 a game his senior year. Can he get off the bench? How's Mateen Cleaves and Ed Obannon doing after their legendary college careers. How about Jared Jeffries leading a team to an NCAA Final to face a power house led by Juan Dixon, Steve Blake and Chris Wilcox? How about Miles Simon and Michael Dickerson being stars.

The level of play in the euro league is far better than that of college. they send teams here that actually beat NBA squads in pre season. Imagine sending Kansas over here to scrimmage Toronto, they'd get beat by 40

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 01:52 AM]

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:02 AM]

College basketball has been skewed by early entry--let say for instance lebron james was added as afreshmen to the huskies 2003 title team when lebrom went to the nba
Let me throw Lebron James on the 2003 Huskies that won the Nationa l championship

C-Okafor 6-10 260
F Charlie Villenueva 6-11 245
F Lebron James 6-8 245
G Ben Gordon 6-2 200
G Taliek Brown 6-1 200
Hilton Arsmtrong 6-11 245
Josh Boone 6-10 245
Rashard Andersen 6-6 225
Denham Brown 6-6 225
Marcus Williams 6-3 215

I have this feeling that they would not only win afew games in the euro league but they would absolutely devestate the league. This team would win 50 games in the nBA easy

You are coming up with a hypothetical situation. If it was that way, you might have a point. But its not that way, so lets deal with what is. You can easily flip that and say what if guys like Dirk and Gasol, and Peja, and Turkoglu were playing in the Euro League, it would be even stronger then it is now, but its not. And secondly, theres no way that UCONN team would win 50 games in the NBA when all of those guys were 18 years old. Maybe today, but thats a different story

So lets deal with how it actually is. The Euro League is far stronger than NCAA division 1. They play and even occasionally beat NBA squads.

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:57 AM]

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.

And he also tore it up in college. JJ Redick was one of the best college scorers in the history of NCAA basketball. He averaged 27 a game his senior year. Can he get off the bench? How's Mateen Cleaves and Ed Obannon doing after their legendary college careers. How about Jared Jeffries leading a team to an NCAA Final to face a power house led by Juan Dixon, Steve Blake and Chris Wilcox? How about Miles Simon and Michael Dickerson being stars.

The level of play in the euro league is far better than that of college. they send teams here that actually beat NBA squads in pre season. Imagine sending Kansas over here to scrimmage Toronto, they'd get beat by 40

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 01:52 AM]

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:02 AM]

College basketball has been skewed by early entry--let say for instance lebron james was added as afreshmen to the huskies 2003 title team when lebrom went to the nba
Let me throw Lebron James on the 2003 Huskies that won the Nationa l championship

C-Okafor 6-10 260
F Charlie Villenueva 6-11 245
F Lebron James 6-8 245
G Ben Gordon 6-2 200
G Taliek Brown 6-1 200
Hilton Arsmtrong 6-11 245
Josh Boone 6-10 245
Rashard Andersen 6-6 225
Denham Brown 6-6 225
Marcus Williams 6-3 215

I have this feeling that they would not only win afew games in the euro league but they would absolutely devestate the league. This team would win 50 games in the nBA easy

You are coming up with a hypothetical situation. If it was that way, you might have a point. But its not that way, so lets deal with what is. You can easily flip that and say what if guys like Dirk and Gasol, and Peja, and Turkoglu were playing in the Euro League, it would be even stronger then it is now, but its not.

So lets deal with how it actually is. The Euro League is far stronger than NCAA division 1. They play and even occasionally beat NBA squads.

If the NBA rule was in effect of keeping college players for one year--why couldnt that be reality? Im not putting together a mythical squad Im saying keep the team as is and + in present rules which would force Lebron to college. This is not far-fetched--this was the team-lebron 6 number 1 picks 1 second rounder and all play pro ball now. This team wouldve beat NBA teams without Lebron

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Euroleague MVPs
1988 Bob McAdoo (Tracer Milano)
1989 Dino Rađa (Jugoplastika Split)
1990 Toni Kukoč (Jugoplastika Split)
1991 Toni Kukoč (Pop 84 Split)
1992 Predrag Danilović (Partizan)
1993 Toni Kukoč (Benetton)
1994 Žarko Paspalj (Olympiacos)
1995 Arvydas Sabonis (Real Madrid)
1996 Dominique Wilkins (Panathinaikos)
1997 David Rivers (Olympiacos)
1998 Zoran Savić (Kinder)
1999 Tyus Edney (Zalgiris)
2000 Željko Rebrača (Panathinaikos)
2001 Arriel McDonald (Maccabi) (FIBA Suproleague)
2001 Manu Ginóbili (Kinder) (ULEB Euroleague)
2002 Dejan Bodiroga (Panathinaikos)
2003 Dejan Bodiroga (Barcelona)
2004 Anthony Parker (Maccabi)
2005 Šarūnas Jasikevičius (Maccabi)
2006 Theodoros Papaloukas (CSKA)
2007 Dimitris Diamantidis (Panathinaikos)
2008 Trajan Langdon (CSKA)

Wasn't Trajan Langdon the kid from Duke who couldn't make it in the NBA? But he's tearing up the Euro League.

And he also tore it up in college. JJ Redick was one of the best college scorers in the history of NCAA basketball. He averaged 27 a game his senior year. Can he get off the bench? How's Mateen Cleaves and Ed Obannon doing after their legendary college careers. How about Jared Jeffries leading a team to an NCAA Final to face a power house led by Juan Dixon, Steve Blake and Chris Wilcox? How about Miles Simon and Michael Dickerson being stars.

The level of play in the euro league is far better than that of college. they send teams here that actually beat NBA squads in pre season. Imagine sending Kansas over here to scrimmage Toronto, they'd get beat by 40

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 01:52 AM]

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:02 AM]

College basketball has been skewed by early entry--let say for instance lebron james was added as afreshmen to the huskies 2003 title team when lebrom went to the nba
Let me throw Lebron James on the 2003 Huskies that won the Nationa l championship

C-Okafor 6-10 260
F Charlie Villenueva 6-11 245
F Lebron James 6-8 245
G Ben Gordon 6-2 200
G Taliek Brown 6-1 200
Hilton Arsmtrong 6-11 245
Josh Boone 6-10 245
Rashard Andersen 6-6 225
Denham Brown 6-6 225
Marcus Williams 6-3 215

I have this feeling that they would not only win afew games in the euro league but they would absolutely devestate the league. This team would win 50 games in the nBA easy

You are coming up with a hypothetical situation. If it was that way, you might have a point. But its not that way, so lets deal with what is. You can easily flip that and say what if guys like Dirk and Gasol, and Peja, and Turkoglu were playing in the Euro League, it would be even stronger then it is now, but its not.

So lets deal with how it actually is. The Euro League is far stronger than NCAA division 1. They play and even occasionally beat NBA squads.

If the NBA rule was in effect of keeping college players for one year--why couldnt that be reality? Im not putting together a mythical squad Im saying keep the team as is and + in present rules which would force Lebron to college. This is not far-fetched--this was the team-lebron 6 number 1 picks 1 second rounder and all play pro ball now. This team wouldve beat NBA teams without Lebron

So what you;ve basically done is constructed a hypothetical college squad that would be the best team the NCAA has seen in about 30 years. Taking the biggest prospect to enter the draft in the last decade and throwing him on a team who already won a national title without him. Thats a very extreme example. This team would not only win in the Euro League but they may have never lost a game in college. They'd have run off a UCLA Jabbar/Wooden type streak if the guys stuck around long enough

And that team wouldn't have stood a chance against NBA teams without LeBron when all those guys were 18-19 years old. They'd be a sub .500 team without LeBron today with all those guys as grown men

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by KnicksSince88:

Posted by islesfan:

Preseason?? We talkin bout preseason???

Sheesh

Yea, we're talking about pre season. And if Kansas, or Duke, or Ohio St, or Michigan St, came over here to play the Raptors in pre season, they'd get killed.

Heck a few years ago the Harlem Globetrotters beat the Michigan St team led by Mateen Cleaves that won a national title.

When you try and argue that Euro League is a lesser league then division 1 mens basketball you are making a statement that will have any NBA scout laugh in your face. You are comparing a boys game to a game that grown men play

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:54 AM]

I've never said that so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I'm just not buying that the Euroleague quality of ball is anywhere near that of the NBA. No matter what has happened in a couple of preseason games that amount to glorified pickup games.

I never said Euro League play was near the NBA. I said its better than D1 college ball and you wont find an nba scout to disagree with me. It is the closest league there is to the NBA, but the NBA is the NBA, and there is no real comparison

Posted by Pharzeone:

You guys lost me when I see the Human Highlight getting MVP honors in 96. Wasn't he on like on one bad leg. Also, to take the point further, if you did well in the NCAA putting up great numbers you should do well in the Euro League based on the Langdon argument following that logic. So a guy like Anthony Randolph who put up pretty good numbers in the rugged SEC, should be great over there.

Nique did win MVP in 96. Then he came back to the NBA one year later and averaged 18 pts and 6 boards a game with the Spurs in just 30 minutes a night. you make it sound like Nique couldn't play worth a lick at that point

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 03:26 AM]