Posted by Vmart:

You can never compare professional leagues with non professional leagues. NCAA is not a professional league and the players don't get paid. Euro league consistists of players that played in NCAA and players that have made the NBA but were let go because they weren't good enough or basically because there was lack of roster space end up going to the Euro league. Players that have played in the NBA for some time end up going to the Euro league. You guys have to remember that the Euro League surpassed the NCAA a long time ago hence the need for NBA players to go into the Olympics.

If you had to choose between which league is more advanced its definitely euro League, I mean for players like Bob Macadoo played there.

Sure you can. Can you just imagine how bad the UCLA Bruins of the 1960's would absolutely brutalize every single euro team into 30-40 point nightly blowouts? You put 4-5 best american college kids on the same team and keep them together for two year and they would brutalize these teams. Let me see a 19 YO Magic Johnson and 4 mediocre college players would wipe those teams out --blow out city

We drool for years over HS kids who dominate kids but we can't get down with a 19 year old who is doing well against older players better than NCAA?

Some silly stuff guys. If he was 28 that would be one thing.

Good point Nalod!!!
Isles nobody ever said, the difference between Euroleague and the CBB and thus the answer to your question is an obvious one. The Euroleague is a league of grown up man, not of talented young players that will develope a lot further in most cases!
So the potential is a LOT less in Euroleague competition, this doesnt mean the skill level neccessarily is! Also as somebody said before, its not like every CBB player ends up even invited to summer league right?!!!
So the Euroleague is about money, skill and performence, while the CBB is about talent and potential! BIG difference!!!

Posted by KnicksSince88:

This is not even a question up for debate. The euro League sends teams here in pre season and they occasionally even beat NBA Squads and are most of the time very competitive.

Just this past October...

Unicaja 102, Memphis 99
Real Madrid 104, Toronto 103

The Raptors also squeaked out just 6 pt wins against Zalgiris and Lottomatica Roma. Zalgiris tied Efes Pilsen for the worst record in euro league play.

Efes Pilsen lost by 3 to the TWOLVES

Even their garbage teams at least competed. Imagine sending St Johns to play the Raptors? LOL. They'd get beat by 50.

This isn't even a debate. Anyone who argues that college basketball is a higher level of play than Euro League would be laughed at by any scout even remotely connected to the NBA

If a team l;ike Real Madrid or Maccabi Elite played Kansas they'd wipe the floor with them.

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Who's playing in those games, what type of minutes did Bosh get? I mean starting line-up don't normally play in regular pre-season games. Also, didn't the Knicks destroy Maccabi and everyone thinks the Knicks stink especially on this forum. To me that is point over.

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Posted by KnicksSince88:

This is not even a question up for debate. The euro League sends teams here in pre season and they occasionally even beat NBA Squads and are most of the time very competitive.

Just this past October...

Unicaja 102, Memphis 99
Real Madrid 104, Toronto 103

The Raptors also squeaked out just 6 pt wins against Zalgiris and Lottomatica Roma. Zalgiris tied Efes Pilsen for the worst record in euro league play.

Efes Pilsen lost by 3 to the TWOLVES

Even their garbage teams at least competed. Imagine sending St Johns to play the Raptors? LOL. They'd get beat by 50.

This isn't even a debate. Anyone who argues that college basketball is a higher level of play than Euro League would be laughed at by any scout even remotely connected to the NBA

If a team l;ike Real Madrid or Maccabi Elite played Kansas they'd wipe the floor with them.

[Edited by - KnicksSince88 on 06-28-2008 02:11 AM]

Who's playing in those games, what type of minutes did Bosh get? I mean starting line-up don't normally play in regular pre-season games. Also, didn't the Knicks destroy Maccabi and everyone thinks the Knicks stink especially on this forum. To me that is point over.

Maccabi was playing that game without 3 top players

With three of its top players - including all-Euroleague center Nikola Vujcic - out of the lineup with various injuries, Maccabi raced to a 15-5 lead, capped by a Cummings three-pointer from the corner. The Knicks tried chipping away, but another Cummings three kept the lead at ten, 20-10, with 4:11 left to play in the first quarter

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1191257295597

And how do you think Kansas would fair against the Knicks in an exhibition game? They'd lose by 50. How do you think they would fair without 3 top players against the Knicks? Many HS teams would probably put up a better showing

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Get serious dude. That game was a scrimmage for the Knicks but I'm sure it meant a hell of a lot more to Maccabi. It was the Knicks second preseason game and they sleep walked through that first half. In the second half they finally starting playing with more effort and it was no contest.

Put the worst NBA team against the best Euroleague team and let both teams give equal effort and the NBA team blows out the Euroleague team 99 times out of 100.

The Euroleague team is "better" than CBB because they're physically more mature, more experienced and they don't have their talent spread out nearly as thin as CBB does with so many more teams. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Euroleague website shows 24 teams. CBB struggles every year to pare down to 64 teams for their tournament.

Put the best CBB talent on just 24 teams and I'll take my chances against the Euroleague. The EL still has the distinct advantage of age and experience (there is no false pretense of the best players being student/athletes since bball is already their full time job by the time they're college age). Throw in the fact that CBB is hurt by losing their best players after their freshman year and the EL should be "better". But CBB has the best young players with the greatest upside.

Posted by KnicksSince88:

So again, you are basically going to stick with the point that the NBA is better than Euro League play, a point which no one will argue

Euro League play dwarfs the NCAA, and thats the issue at hand here. It's the closest league there is to the NBA

Dude, you say that you're not arguing that but you keep talking about these stupid preseason games, as if they prove that EL teams can compete with NBA teams. They can't and like you said, it's not even arguable, so stop bringing them up.

I already explained why EL play is "better" than CBB and it's not because they have better talent with greater upside.