Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Ira:

He can't jump? He's too slow, too stiff? Take a look at the stats on draft express. There were two measures for jumping - one standing and one running. And there was one agility and one on running three quarters of the court. Love beat Anthony Randolph on three out of those four and tied him on the fourth.

Well it sure doesn't translate to how he plays which is decidedly under the rim. He doesn't get much lift on his shots in the post and he rarely finishes strong at the rim. He measured out at under 6'8 in socks. That's really short of a PF and not nearly tall enough to be a center.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Ira:

He can't jump? He's too slow, too stiff? Take a look at the stats on draft express. There were two measures for jumping - one standing and one running. And there was one agility and one on running three quarters of the court. Love beat Anthony Randolph on three out of those four and tied him on the fourth.

Well it sure doesn't translate to how he plays which is decidedly under the rim. He doesn't get much lift on his shots in the post and he rarely finishes strong at the rim. He measured out at under 6'8 in socks. That's really short of a PF and not nearly tall enough to be a center.

Again I don't know if you can just go by what he did at UCLA anymore. Unless you were able to watch workout footage and still see the same things then I don't know if it is smart to evaluate him that way.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Ira:

He can't jump? He's too slow, too stiff? Take a look at the stats on draft express. There were two measures for jumping - one standing and one running. And there was one agility and one on running three quarters of the court. Love beat Anthony Randolph on three out of those four and tied him on the fourth.

Well it sure doesn't translate to how he plays which is decidedly under the rim. He doesn't get much lift on his shots in the post and he rarely finishes strong at the rim. He measured out at under 6'8 in socks. That's really short of a PF and not nearly tall enough to be a center.

Again I don't know if you can just go by what he did at UCLA anymore. Unless you were able to watch workout footage and still see the same things then I don't know if it is smart to evaluate him that way.

Wait, so what he did in game situations, just a few months ago, doesn't matter anymore but what he did in workouts does?

Posted by LivingLegend:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by crzymdups:

... not sure how I feel about that. I think Mayo is being overrated by a lot. And his weird attitude freaks me out already.

But, there are reports that Riley liking Mayo was merely a smokescreen - he really wants Beasley. Reports are Minnesota loves Love. Obviously the Knicks love Mayo. Reports that Minnesota is open to trading the pick. The only real borderline wildcard that needs to happen is Memphis selecting Lopez over Love - and reports are they like Lopez.

I'm thinking Lee + Love for Mayo is going to happen on draft night.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 18-06-2008 12:08 PM]

Not sure I would do that... open to it yes. It comes down to how much waltoni values Mayo. Lee is a lot of give up for him, especially when you consider we are moving to an uptempo system. How about we just keep Love, and sent Lee to the Nets then draft Westbrook? Love is a banger with an exceptional BB IQ and is regarded as one of the best passing bigs in years. Doesnt that seem like a good fit for us?

If I offered you guys two scenarios and you had to pick one what would you go with?
1) draft Love and trade Lee for an extra pick to draft Westbrook
2) draft Mayo and use Lee to move up to get him

Interesting proposal --- as much as I'd love Mayo I don't want him at the cost of the #6 and Lee.

Given that choice I would like Love and Westbrook.

BUT -- the more I think about it - do we really know if Love will be better than Lee. If not - we are basically back to taking Westbrook at #5.

I actually might prefer Love and Gordon.

BUT -- the more I think about it - do we really know if Love will be better than Lee.

I think so. Love does the things that Lee does well plus he has a better outside shot, better inside moves and has crazy outlet passes. And Love is still a teenager.

Posted by technomaster:

It's quite amazing, actually, that you're implying that because Love is performing more or less as well as some All-Stars (Boozer & Amare) that his upside is quite high. Interestingly, Amare Stoudemire was a late lottery pick and Boozer was a 2nd round draft pick. With that said...

One thing that's a mystery to me is if there's some kind of metric that measures "quickness". For example, look at a player like Tim Duncan, or better yet, Allan Houston. The young Allan Houston was an elite high jumper, and likely could run like the wind - and probably perform quite well on these tests. At the same time, he didn't have elite reaction time/anticipation or elite explosion.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements

Love beat out Randoloph, Mcgee, Jordan, & Aurther

3 out of 4 or even 4 out of 4 in no step vert, max vert, Lane agility, 3/4 spring.

I won't even include bench press

Then add the fact he is either as skilled or more skilled, and has waaaay more basketball IQ then all of them.

He measured better in lane agility & 3/4 sprint then Amare Stoudemire and was .5 off in max vert.
Amare beats him in no step vert 32 to 29.5

Boozer's lane agility was crazy though at 10.77. Nene was 10.73

I wasn't comparing Boozer, I was just amazed by his lane agility time.

Amare only went lower because he got a promise from the suns at #9 and refused to workout for anybody else faking injuries and illnesses, add the fact that he had questions about his character at that time and thats why he has fell.

At UCLA Love was 270, he lost 15pds before the predraft camp. All camp he has been one of the most impressive players and has risen his stock so much that Minny even considerd him at #3 after they worked him out. He was projected around #15 when the season ended. So obviously he isn't the same prospect when he finished his freshman season at UCLA and teams are noticing. Therefor it wouldn't be wise to judge his physical attributes to when his season ended and he was 15pds heavier.

Alan Houston was in the Dunk contest his rookie yr. His knees started to slow him down.

Posted by fishmike:

Brad Miller is probably a very good comparison. Miller is a tough dude

Posted by Panos:

Posted by djsunyc:

love will be a good basketball player b/c by all accounts, he's a smart player.

the question, as is with every pick after the top 2 or 3 is just how good?

let's say he'll be as good as brad miller, is that the level of talent that a team would be thrilled to get at #6? i would have to say yes.

That question stands with EVERY pick. See Bogut, Bargiani, Darko, Sam Bowie, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by islesfan:

Channing Frye put up similar numbers in the Pac 10, even leading the Wildcats to the Sweet 16, how did drafting him turn out?

if you think Frye played similar to Love you didnt watch 5 minutes of any of those games

Where did I ever say that Frye played similar to Love? Big difference between that and what I really said.