Posted by Ira:

Well, you're probably right. If they're looking to dump a contract, they aren't going to take Zach. The next question is, if they are interested in acquiring Marbury's expiring contract for Redd, what else would be involved? Could we get something extra? Would we have to give up something extra? The guy I'd really like to get from them is Ramon Sessions. If he came along with Redd, it would be worth adding something significant to the pot from our side.

Redd will be 29 in a couple of months, so his age isn't a problem.

Marbury ending contract would save them 30+mm $ they'll get no better deal

i seriously can't understand why people wanna keep making these cap killing trades for 1 dimensional players & keep fugging ourselves in the butt in the process... haven't u guys learned anything from the past? isn't it time to turn the damn page & try a different course of action? my God, it boggles my mind... we're not in a Boston Celtics' type situation here... we don't have that KG to go w/their Ray Allen acquisition... Michael Redd is a nice complementary player but not a guy that you can build a team around... trading Marbury's expiring to take on his contract is just repeating the same old "Let's just make this trade & get the fans excited for a few weeks" type trades this franchise has made since the end of the Van Gundy era.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Ira:

Well, you're probably right. If they're looking to dump a contract, they aren't going to take Zach. The next question is, if they are interested in acquiring Marbury's expiring contract for Redd, what else would be involved? Could we get something extra? Would we have to give up something extra? The guy I'd really like to get from them is Ramon Sessions. If he came along with Redd, it would be worth adding something significant to the pot from our side.

Redd will be 29 in a couple of months, so his age isn't a problem.

Marbury ending contract would save them 30+mm $ they'll get no better deal

Valid point on Marbury.


When I read these trades, like, Jeffries & Q for Redd & Simmons (they save 9 million) - I shake my head.

Redd may not be on Milwaukee's (untouchable / team captain list), but he's not some piece of worthless junk that Milwaukee wants to trade away.


I agree on marbs, but I don't think saving salary is enough. Milwaukee would want a little more, like maybe Marbs, and a young player (Balkman) for Redd or Marbs, Mardy & #2, or maybe marbs, Malik for Redd, Simmons.



I see some options with trading with Milwaukee.

Marbs and Malik (I think) are expiring, and they have some players that could help this team who they'd like to move.


I see no way no how that Milwaukee takes Zach, after saying no to him last year.


Milwaukee will ask for our #6, without giving up their #8. If we do that, we lose a potential star, but we can pick and choose whatever players we want. Charlie V, Redd & Williams could all be ours, maybe Simmons or Priz.


PG: Craw / Williams
SG: Redd / Nate
SF: Charlie V / Chandler / Balkman
PF: Zach / Lee
C: Curry / Morris(?) or Pryz

I dunno if it's worth giving up the pick, but it's not a bad team.



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it's Dantoni's job to try to win.

It's Walsh's job to do what's best for the team over the long run.

If these ideas are coming from Dantoni, it doesn't mean they are going to happen, just taht walsh will place a phone call & ask who might be availble and at what cost.

Posted by BRIGGS:

I really think its a wait and see brcause we hired a 68 year old GM. We also brought in a coach accustmoed to winning 58 games who's only personell moves were Marcus Banks Jurmaine Jones and Jalen Rose. This is a combustible starphucing scenario IMHO.
I was hoping that we could grab a couple of nice lottery picks over this year and next year and set up for FA in 2010 or 2011[2010 is very tough] Im willing to be patient--nothing happens over night--NO kgs are coming here. We already haev blown so many lottery picks. Nothing has happened yet but I have a bad feeling. I know some people might say yeah Mike Redd for pick 6 but that is an Isiah Thomas/Scott Layden move that has been pulled opff with Mcdyess Marbury Crawford and Curry--and where has that brought us?

i'm very curious to see exactly how patient d'alsh will really be.

like you said, walsh is 67 and signed for 3 years.
d'antoni is coming off of deep playoff teams w/ 50+ wins. how will d'antoni transition to a team where 30 wins is the norm?

will walsh really trim down the cap for 2010 w/ dolan in charge? will walsh last to 2010 w/o any pressure from dolan?

btw, i would not be surprised if he ends up in toronto...

Here is a deal that works. Malik and Crawford for Redd. Take the 6th and Lee flip it for Minn's 3rd and turn it inot Mayo. Now you have a new backcourt and eliminate a loser like Crawford from the team. Add a very good player in Redd and Mayo who might be a star in the making. Take Zach and trade him to Indiana for O'Neal.

Starting Lineup:
Mayo pg
Redd sg
Chandler sf
O'Neal pf
Curry C.

You still have Q, Balkman, Nate, Jefferies And Mardy on the Bench Offer the MLE for a player Like Posey. Now the Knicks have a decent team.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by s3231:

I wouldn't want to add Redd if that was the only trade we did.

However, lets say Walsh was able to trade pick 6, Malik, and Jerome James for Redd. Then, he is able to trade Marbury + a prospect (Lee if needed) to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal.

After that, you still have your MLE available (Artest?).

We could end up with a rotation like this:

C-Curry
PF-Jermaine/Zach Randolph
SF-Artest/Chandler
SG-Redd/Q-Rich
PG- Crawford/Nate Robinson

Keep in mind, we would still have Balkman and Jeffries on the bench.

How many of you would pass that up?

Thats a lot of talent (the good kind). Probably too many guys that need the ball, but further trades could be made. Plus, D'Antoni's system emphasizes ball movement and I think everyone would still get shots.

[Edited by - s3231 on 06-15-2008 12:13 PM]

i would pass that up in a blink... i'll tell u why

first of all you're trading away the #6 pick AND taking on cap for a 3rd tier 1 dimensional player that is not going to improve this team to the point where it would be worth making the deal to begin with.

second of all, Zach Randolph coming off the bench? if you think he's unhappy now wait til u get a load'a how much of a pain in the butt he's gonna become when he's gotta ride pine to start off every game.

third, there is no way in hell i would give up D Lee to go after Jermaine O'Neal... Marbury straight up for him should be plenty... Indy gets a ton of cap space next year if they make that trade.

i don't mind signing Artest to a MLE but i would never be in favor of those other moves u suggested.

Who cares if a player is 1 dimensional as long as the team isn't. All 3 of those guys (Redd, JO, and Artest) help us in 3 areas where we really need help (post defense, perimeter defense, and shooting). They would make us a significantly better team.

I didn't leave the team I listed above as a finished product. As I said, further trades could be made and they certainly should be explored. I'd try to do whatever I could to get someone like Ford after those trades. Who cares if Zach complains? I don't. We will try to trade him as usual and it would be wise for him to just shut up and play to save his reputation. Its not like he is a happy player as it is.

Everyone said that the Celtics made a horrible trade when they dealt their pick along with Wally and West for Ray Allen. However, things looked much better after they got KG. I'm not saying we are going to get a KG because that is obviously not going to happen. However, you can't just look a trade by itself. You have to look at the bigger picture. The team we would end up with in this situation would be a 2nd round playoff team for sure.

That is a big improvement considering how terrible this franchise has been in recent years. I'd love a championship as much as anyone else but I think people are too greedy here. We have to make this team respectable first.

Posted by s3231:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by s3231:

I wouldn't want to add Redd if that was the only trade we did.

However, lets say Walsh was able to trade pick 6, Malik, and Jerome James for Redd. Then, he is able to trade Marbury + a prospect (Lee if needed) to Indiana for Jermaine O'Neal.

After that, you still have your MLE available (Artest?).

We could end up with a rotation like this:

C-Curry
PF-Jermaine/Zach Randolph
SF-Artest/Chandler
SG-Redd/Q-Rich
PG- Crawford/Nate Robinson

Keep in mind, we would still have Balkman and Jeffries on the bench.

How many of you would pass that up?

Thats a lot of talent (the good kind). Probably too many guys that need the ball, but further trades could be made. Plus, D'Antoni's system emphasizes ball movement and I think everyone would still get shots.

[Edited by - s3231 on 06-15-2008 12:13 PM]

i would pass that up in a blink... i'll tell u why

first of all you're trading away the #6 pick AND taking on cap for a 3rd tier 1 dimensional player that is not going to improve this team to the point where it would be worth making the deal to begin with.

second of all, Zach Randolph coming off the bench? if you think he's unhappy now wait til u get a load'a how much of a pain in the butt he's gonna become when he's gotta ride pine to start off every game.

third, there is no way in hell i would give up D Lee to go after Jermaine O'Neal... Marbury straight up for him should be plenty... Indy gets a ton of cap space next year if they make that trade.

i don't mind signing Artest to a MLE but i would never be in favor of those other moves u suggested.

Who cares if a player is 1 dimensional as long as the team isn't. All 3 of those guys (Redd, JO, and Artest) help us in 3 areas where we really need help (post defense, perimeter defense, and shooting). They would make us a significantly better team.

I didn't leave the team I listed above as a finished product. As I said, further trades could be made and they certainly should be explored. I'd try to do whatever I could to get someone like Ford after those trades. Who cares if Zach complains? I don't. We will try to trade him as usual and it would be wise for him to just shut up and play to save his reputation. Its not like he is a happy player as it is.

Everyone said that the Celtics made a horrible trade when they dealt their pick along with Wally and West for Ray Allen. However, things looked much better after they got KG. I'm not saying we are going to get a KG because that is obviously not going to happen. However, you can't just look a trade by itself. You have to look at the bigger picture. The team we would end up with in this situation would be a 2nd round playoff team for sure.

That is a big improvement considering how terrible this franchise has been in recent years. I'd love a championship as much as anyone else but I think people are too greedy here. We have to make this team respectable first.

again, our situation is nowhere near Boston's last year... they already have a premier player in Pierce before they made the trade for Ray Allen... then they were fortunate enough to land KG w/their other assets... who do we have? a disgruntled psychotic PG who thinks he's the best in the game & Zach Randolph? come to your senses man... Michael Redd isn't gonna vault this team anywhere other than into deeper salary cap doodoo... unless u can unload equal longterm salary in the process i would not make that move myself.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I really think its a wait and see brcause we hired a 68 year old GM. We also brought in a coach accustmoed to winning 58 games who's only personell moves were Marcus Banks Jurmaine Jones and Jalen Rose. This is a combustible starphucing scenario IMHO.
I was hoping that we could grab a couple of nice lottery picks over this year and next year and set up for FA in 2010 or 2011[2010 is very tough] Im willing to be patient--nothing happens over night--NO kgs are coming here. We already haev blown so many lottery picks. Nothing has happened yet but I have a bad feeling. I know some people might say yeah Mike Redd for pick 6 but that is an Isiah Thomas/Scott Layden move that has been pulled opff with Mcdyess Marbury Crawford and Curry--and where has that brought us?

i'm very curious to see exactly how patient d'alsh will really be.

like you said, walsh is 67 and signed for 3 years.
d'antoni is coming off of deep playoff teams w/ 50+ wins. how will d'antoni transition to a team where 30 wins is the norm?

will walsh really trim down the cap for 2010 w/ dolan in charge? will walsh last to 2010 w/o any pressure from dolan?

DJ they are going to do something. I don't know why people talk about Zach right now--he's not going anywhere with his 50mm $ never was--and if there was a chance to even get staright money--hgis little tassle with gand members two weeks ago ended that. teams iwll take him but not at 17mm per.

Like I said I think the best option if there is going to be a star phuck either by grabbingh Artest trading for Redd using Marbury--whatever it is--and it will be something

I hope they keep pick 6 seperate because we can have a nice underneath core and cap space in 2011 when Walsh is gone.

I'm sure Walsh will be happy to know that he's only here to clean up Isiah's mess before he's shown the door when they finally have a relatively clean slate. We know Isiah will be very happy to start fresh with a new 4 year extension.

Posted by Vmart:

Here is a deal that works. Malik and Crawford for Redd. Take the 6th and Lee flip it for Minn's 3rd and turn it inot Mayo. Now you have a new backcourt and eliminate a loser like Crawford from the team. Add a very good player in Redd and Mayo who might be a star in the making. Take Zach and trade him to Indiana for O'Neal.

Starting Lineup:
Mayo pg
Redd sg
Chandler sf
O'Neal pf
Curry C.

You still have Q, Balkman, Nate, Jefferies And Mardy on the Bench Offer the MLE for a player Like Posey. Now the Knicks have a decent team.

A little complicated but not bad. I just don't know if the Wolves would have any interest in Lee (they have very good young options at the 4 already in place with Al Jefferson and Gomes). But McHale is said to be interested in Kevin Love so who knows...

I think its a 3 year plan. The Knicks will have their high pick this year, a high pick next year- and be in a position to make a bunch of moves to compete by year 3.