Philly GM on radio today link talking about Knicks rumor +draft
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Uptown
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6/11/2008 1:14 PM
Posted by islesfan:Posted by TrueBlue: |
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 1:24 PM
Posted by Allanfan20: Yeah I agree Allanfan I mean this team couldn't make any use of Reggie Evans, $10mil Trade Exception(Cap Space come July 1 to sign a FA(s)), 16th pick who almost all GM's feel is a deep draft and $10mil in cap space in 2010/2011 [Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-11-2008 12:24 PM] LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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Uptown
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6/11/2008 1:28 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by Allanfan20: And dont forget, the actual GM who is sitting in the coveted/much dicussed 16th spot has already admitted he's actively trying to move up....in this deep draft. |
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 1:33 PM
Posted by Uptown:Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by Allanfan20: No one refuted having the highest pick possible is a bad thing. If someone did carry on. Your point is mute. The argument is how bad is moving down 10 spots with the trade on the table. Not bad at all according to the presented offer. I think the TE has really struck a nerve with some. [Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-11-2008 12:36 PM] LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TMS
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6/11/2008 2:11 PM
Posted by Allanfan20: that's a very simplistic way to look at things IMO bro, & i'm not saying that to insult u... there've been more than a few players taken lower than #16 over the years that have panned out to be better talent than guys taken in the top 6... who's to say this draft will be any different? the predominant opinion around the league according to made statements by respected GM's is that there will be good players available lower in the draft, the argument being made here by those supporting this trade idea is that the risk is worth taking in order to unload our biggest albatross contract & free up a ton of flexibility to make roster moves later on... yes, there will be 10 additional players available at #6 that won't be there at #16, but that doesn't necessarily mean those players will turn out to be any better than the guy taken lower in the draft, that's the point we're trying to make. anyway, everyone has a legit reason for being in favor or disagreeing w/this trade... we pretty much have no choice but to hold onto Zach anyway cuz no one in the league wants him as was made distinctly clear w/Stefanski's refusal of this trade rumor. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
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6/11/2008 2:15 PM
Posted by TrueBlue: i've pointed out some of the elite names on that list before & it seems like everyone still thinks we're centering all our hopes on 1 player, Lebron... it's madness to me... there's a ton of good players on that list i would love to add to this team... but who needs the cap flexibility to go after guys like Amare, Wade or Dirk when there will be guys like Joel Pryzbilla & Troy Murph on the market a year later?  After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Bonn1997
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6/11/2008 2:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:Posted by TrueBlue: |
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 2:21 PM
Posted by TMS:Posted by Allanfan20: To make roster moves later on heck we can make them effective July 1rst with the $10milTE in hand. Of course this means we have to package more deals to dump salary if we exercise the TE, which we would/should do regardless if we did or not, but the TE gives us some serious flexibility. Since the playoffs is the All-In goal next season I can see the TE assisting greatly in helping achieve this. It would be like being under the cap by $10mil right now. Nor does it mean all the 10 players available at 6 who we think are/should be projected before 16 are picked before 16. Some will drop it's a 100% fact. BTW the Bulls have cap space is there any hope? [Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-11-2008 1:27 PM] LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TMS
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6/11/2008 2:28 PM
eh, it's a moot point now anyways... Zach is here to stay thanks to Isiah... the gift that keeps on giving guys... Merry freakin' Christmas to all.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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newyorknewyork
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6/11/2008 2:30 PM
I think giving up the #6 to move 10spots down does more then just give you a lesser player. It eliminates more options.
What if Mayo gets taken 2nd and Beasley is there at #3 and Minny doesn't want to take him and is looking to trade down or draft him with a deal in the works with us that we would take Love or Lopez and then swap for some type of compensation. Say we even did that trade with Philly(if they give up the 10mil TE it would be a solid deal though). They now would be in position to either draft Love or Lopez. Or possibly trade up using some combination of Carney, Jason Smith, Louis Williams, Amoundson, S.Randolph , 2nd rd picks & #6 to snatch Beasley or even Mayo at #3. We would be giving them a TON of flexability with that #6 pick. What if Love is there at #6 for us. Love, Mayo & Mcgee have the most hype right now leading to the draft. We could use Love's hype and value to really get a great deal for ourselves and still be in position to land Randolph or Mcgee. What if Mayo were to somehow fall to us at six with Miami taking Beasley, Minny taking Lopez, Seattle taking Bayless & Memphis taking Love? https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 2:37 PM
Posted by TMS: No I'm serious with the Bulls having cap space and possibly taking Rose is there any possible way we can dump Zach there? Like Zach, #6 4 Drew Gooden(Immediate Expiring), Tyrus(4rth pick 2006)(Shawn Marion Lite), #39(2008 second rounder), $4mil TE Is there a better trade we can offer them or vice versa? [Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-11-2008 1:47 PM] LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 2:39 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork: I think this trade was on the condition that the guy we truly want won't be available. If Mayo, Beasley, or Rose I would assume dropped to 6 obviously I don't see any reason to do the trade, but what's the likleyhood? You do know the trade would be done on draft day so we get to see what happens first? LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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newyorknewyork
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6/11/2008 2:46 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by TMS: With Rose they don't need Hinrich & Ben Gordan & Larry Hughes. We could offer #6, Randolph & M.Rose, for Hinrich, Hughes & Ty Thomas. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 2:50 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by TMS: Leave it up to them to decide what to do with Ben Gordon and Hinrich. They can trade them to someone else. No we don't want Hinrich he makes $9mil come 2010-2011. Salaries don't have to match nyny so why you threw Hughes in is baffling. When you're dumping Zach you're thinking Cap Space first and foremost, so obviously we'd want Gooden's $7mil expiring contract. [Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-11-2008 1:53 PM] LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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TMS
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6/11/2008 2:56 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by newyorknewyork:Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by TMS: i don't think CHI wants any part of Zach Randolph or his contract, & definitely not in exchange for their starting point. & TB, after NY just screwed them outta their top choice for head coach there's no way Reinsdorf is gonna help us out by giving us the cap space to go after Lebron or anyone else in 2 years when they'll be 1 of our main competitors for those guys to begin with IMO [Edited by - TMS on 06-11-2008 11:56 AM] After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TrueBlue
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6/11/2008 3:07 PM
Posted by TMS:Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by newyorknewyork:Posted by TrueBlue:Posted by TMS: Probably right but then again that would mean Gordon and/or Deng definitely aren't getting signed this off-season and I doubt they let them walk away and that would also mean they wouldn't take back too much salary in S&T. Because if they're both resigned which I think they will be with the addition of the #1 pick, they'll both be making $10mil+/yr by 2010-2011. Add Noch's contract along with the draft pick and they'll be at about $45-50mil in cap if they make no moves from here on out. They'll probably move Hinrich SIGH!!!!!!!! LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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newyorknewyork
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6/11/2008 3:18 PM
I like Hinrich, I think D'Antoni would do wonders for him. It don't really matter to me that he makes 9mil a yr until 10-12 because I think he would be a real good player for D'Antoni to have. The point of having cap space is to sign good players with it. Hinrich is a good player, to me anyway.
I didn't realize that Chi was under the cap though. I don't think they do the move unless they could unload a contract like Hughes though. They want to resign Deng, having Hinrich & Hughes & Randolph on the roster then having to resign Deng I don't think would be to appealing to them. Not to mention Ben Gordan who they might want to resign also. TMS - With Rose coming in Hinrich isn't there starting PG, with Gordan & Hughes there isn't enough mins for all 3 at SG either. There were complaints about mins and a crowded backcourt after they traded for Hughes. Now Imagine when they add Rose as well. Noah also might not be the answer for them at center either. Giving them the #6 pick allows them to possibly target one in which they could trade down. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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TMS
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6/11/2008 3:39 PM
IMO, if u wanna go after Hinrich, a deal CHI would make w/us is probably something like:
Q Rich's contract & the #6 for Hinrich, the #39 & a future protected pick that helps them out on 3 levels: gets rid of 2 years of salary, opens up a spot for Rose to be their franchise PG & adds another high draft pick w/which they can land a complementary player like Randolph who can be groomed to take over for Deng if they decide to trade him later. for the Knicks we'd be adding another longterm contract so it's unattractive from that standpoint, but Hinrich is a talented young player that does have good trade value around the league... personally i probably wouldn't make that move cuz i don't wanna take on any more big contracts unless we're talking about franchise changing type talent, which i don't view Hinrich as. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Philly GM on radio today link talking about Knicks rumor +draft