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6/9/2008  9:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Hey isles can you use my top 15 and give me your 16th pick that you would use on the Knicks

Here you go

Derrick Rose
Michael Beasley
OJ Mayo
Javale Mcgee
Anthony Randolph
Jerryd Bayless
Russell Westbrook
Joe Alexander
Eric Gordon
Brook Lopez
Kevin Love
CDR
Kosta Kofous
Danilo Gallinari
DJ Augustine
pick 16

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-09-2008 7:47 PM]

10 bucks he wont answer

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-09-2008 7:56 PM]

I'll give you 5 players that will be just as good if not better than 5 of the players on your list.

Brandon Rush
Jordan
Greene
Speights
Arthur


Here's 2 more going outside the box

Billy Walker
Lawson


I knew islesfan wouldnt answer because he has no clue what he is even talking about but you did not answer the question either--who is your pick 16 --not 10 players 1

I'm not going to pick 16 going from your list because your list more than likely is going to be HORRIFICALLY INACURRATE so I'm going to pick who I feel will be on the board come June 26th at 16. Going by the compilations of Mock Drafts my pick is CDR. Now tell me who at 6 will definitely without a shadow of a doubt have a better pro career than CDR.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2008 7:48 PM]

wait a second--CDR can be picked before 16==that is the whole gig at 6 I KNOW essentially what players are there--at 16 I dont have a frikin clue--so very much like trading zach for a non-guaranteed FA pick 16 may not turn out the way I might like it to. At pick 6 you are in a very nice position to draft a player you REALLY like --you had to use an excuse for pick 16 bottom line

LOL all you did was prove my point. A player who is projected by most mock drafts as being pick 16 and below is looked at by you as being worthy for being picked inside the Top 16. Just the same that someone projected to be in the Top 10 could and will slip past 20. No duh at pick 6 you have a field of 54 players to choose from but all of them aren't fitting inside of 16. The point is of the players you want at 6 all of them aren't going before 16. So we're going to have a player you want available at 16.

Would you like to make a gentleman's wager. I'd wager anything you want Briggs and I'll give you my Paypal Account so you have a means to pay me.

This is so stupid I will stop here. Are you wagering me the player's picked on the mock drafts at 6 will fall to 16? Ok Ill bet $10,000 wherever whenever.

No read what I said again it's not hard at all. The players you like or think are worthy of a Top 15 pick will slip and someone who's talent is comparable will fall to us at 16. You haven't proven to me that Joel, Randolph, Westbrook, Gordon, or Lopez(players you specifically mentioned you'd want at 6) will be better than the player who falls at 16, which very well could be any of them. It's a Fluid draft remember. Are you saying your Top 15 is a sure lock?

CDR is slated on most mocks 16 and below yet you have him I would assume as your 12th best prospect. Can you prove to me Westbrook is a better prospect than CDR? Can you tell me why you have CDR ranked so high when Draftexpress's mock has him slated as pick 22. NBAdraft.net has him slated as pick 22. NBA.com Mock has him slated 22. Insidehoops Mock has him slated 21. Hoopsworld has him slated 22......GEEZ YOU MOVED THIS PROSPECT UP 10 SPOTS. OMG and I just looked and saw how high you have Mcgee. You moved him up more than 10 spots from where he's projected, matter of fact in some cases you moved him up as many as 15 spots.


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[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2008 8:46 PM]
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6/9/2008  9:50 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:


I suggested

T.J....Nesty...17

4

Jamal...Curry....and 6


and as usual no one sees the benefit of doing such a trade.




[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2008 8:16 PM]

that trade would net us just a little bit more cap space than making the Philly trade but i'd rather hold onto Jamal & take the higher pick in the Philly deal (#16)... the difference of 1-2 million isn't going to prevent us from making any moves for the elite guys in the upcoming '10/'11 FA market, & Ford's health issues are a huge concern, even as talented a player as he may be.

here's a trade i would love to make w/TOR:

Zach, Jefferies & the #6 for Ford, Nesterovic's expiring, Parker's expiring, Jamario Moon & the #17

the dollars work out on Trade Checker, TOR gains a rebounding presence & moves up in the draft, while we jettison 2 of the worst contracts off our books while opening up about $15 mil in cap space in a couple years to offer a max type contract to someone we can really build this team around for once... & if Ford pans out & doesn't reinjure himself even better.

try to follow that up w/a Marbury for JO & #11 trade (throw Chandler in the deal if you have to) & you can end up w/a competitive team right now while also putting us in a great position cap wise in the longterm.

C - Curry
PF - O'Neal
SF - Parker
SG - Jamal
PG - Ford
6 - Lee
7 - Nate
8 - #11 pick (Alexander or Gallinari)
9 - Balkman
10 - Q Rich
11 - Moon
12 - #17 pick (McGee, Greene, Batum, Thompson, CDR, etc.)
13 - Mardy
14 - Malik
15 - Rasho or Turd (buyout the other)
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6/9/2008  9:56 PM
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Although T.J. is a risk I look at is as....

D'Antonio Mcdyess gets his point guard T.J. if healthy, pick 17, and $14mil vs Reggie $10mil and 16. T.J. is better than Reggie $14>$10 17 vs 16 essentially a wash. I was only suggesting this under the premise we do a deal with Toronto and nothing more. I didn't declare it anything more than a trade that accomplishes what we should be looking for. I'd do either trade including the one with New Jersey but regardless we're nothing but a bunch of fools for wanting to. I also know Colangelo wants desperately to hang on to his prospects because he got them on the cheap. I think he's already promised Parker he won't be traded in the off season but sure why not offer your deal and see if they bite.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-09-2008 8:58 PM]
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6/9/2008  10:37 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


This is so stupid I will stop here. Are you wagering me the player's picked on the mock drafts at 6 will fall to 16? Ok Ill bet $10,000 wherever whenever.

No, I believe that he wants to bet you that your top 15 aren't exactly the first 15 picked in the NBA draft. Meaning at least 1 will drop to 16.
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6/9/2008  10:39 PM
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Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I've proposed the following package a bunch of times on here.

David Lee for pick 13+Sergio Rodriquez.

Now we're talking here. Like nyk4ever I've posted the same trade proposal many times myself. I would love the 13th pick & I really really like Sergio Rodriguez - I think he could really develop into something special. Briggs you were talking the other day about looking into acquiring a guy who, as it stands right now, might not be the best fit with their current team (you brought up Patrick O'Bryant for example). I agree and for me Sergio Rodriguez is at the top of a small list of guys that fits this mold:

1 - Sergio Rodriguez - appeared to have fallen out of favor with Portland mgmt. on several occassions last season, particularly with Nate McMillan, but he's got everything you can possibly want in a young PG you're looking to develop on a rebuilding team - youth (turns 22-years-old in 3 days), above average PG size (6'3"), solid quickness, great handle, looks to push the pace, capable scorer (can shoot & drive), but best of all he's very creative & always looking pass-first above all else. The kid had 10 assists in only 8 minutes last year in a game... Teammates would love this kid and I betcha D'Antoni would too if he doesn't already.

2 - Morris Almond - doesn't really seem to fit in the scheme of things out there in Utah (they're committed to Ronnie Brewer at the 2, Sloan likes CJ Miles, they've got Kirilenko and Harpring on the wing along with Kyle Korver now in the mix as an extra shooter). Maybe not the quickest guy around but the kid's a young, big, strong, silky smooth scorer who hits 3s, gets to the line and makes his FTs. Capable rebounder at the 2 who's big enough to swing over and play some 3. Lit up the D-League this past season, including at least 2 50 pt. games.

3 - Hilton Armstrong - Big, young shotblocker that suprisingly got little PT during the season and even less in the playoffs. I know Chandler and West are the two important guys up front for N.O. but did the kid even see any PT in that last series against the Spurs?!?! With regular rotation PT he can definitely help any club - weakside blocks, rebounds, and I think he's actually got some decent untapped offensive ability he could develop if encouraged to do so. Briggs help me out here - you're a U-Conn guy - tell me how pretty those jumper mechanics look - we're talking range out to about 20 feet....

There's a few more guys I like to a lesser extent that fit the bill (Francisco Garcia, Arron Afflalo) but these are my top guys I'd look to acquire provided their current teams are looking to swing a reasonable/sensible deal.

Also, Briggs you mentioned keeping your eyes open in the D-League and summer league for that John Starks/Anthony Mason role player type that we could add on the cheap that could eventually have an impact. I agree again and here are few guys I've talked about before (not sure where some are now off the top of my head):

Justin Williams - active rebounder/shot-blocker. If New Orleans wants too much for Armstrong grab this guy instead
Louis Amundson - if we ever lost Lee and we're looking to replace his hustle this kid's capable
Alexander Johnson - ditto Amundson
Chris Rodgers - reserve PG with size, can handle the ball, and play some fierce defense from what I remember
Von Wafer - got some length as a 2 and can score the ball
Rickey Paulding - a little bit of a smaller 2, good athlete though
Guillermo Diaz - athletic shooter/slasher, offensive-minded but could develop a decent floor game, he's reminds me of Nate Robinson with some more size - my sister-in-law works for the University of Miami and got me tickets for a game a while back - when I saw him in person I was impressed
Kevin Pittsnogle - big boy who can shoot the ball from deep and rebound a little bit

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Back to David Lee for pick 13 & Sergio Rodriguez. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I'm Walsh. Even if I had to sweeten it up a little to get it done (Balkman, Nate, cash, future draft choice, etc...) I would. Portland would like Lee - Pritchard just said recently that he's looking to add 'quality players' which told me that he's looking for a sure thing instead of a project and they are a poor rebounding team - even with Oden coming back, hopefully he'll be 100%, they need help on the glass. Aldridge should rebound more than he does with that size and Frye gives them nothing on the glass... And for the Knicks, as long as we make a smart choice with the 6th pick, I'd love to take a chance on a project like JaVale McGee at #13. Realistic scenario and a good trade for both clubs if you ask me.


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-09-2008 10:34 PM]

Yup, I remember you saying that as well Fine, I don't know how many others agree with us, but oh well. I would definitely make that trade though, Sergio is well-equipped to run D'Antoni's offense, he comes relatively cheap and we get another pick out of it to mold. Yes, losing out on David Lee sucks, but I think at this point, it's a move we have to make when you look at the numbers and all.

I really like that list you compiled. I dont think theres anyway we can steal Almond from the Jazz, Sloan is too smart to give him up, but he'd be PERFECT. Hilton Armstrong is another awesome mention, he'd be perfect in this system, I feel like he can be had for the right price, although I'm not sure what that price is.
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6/9/2008  10:40 PM
Posted by islesfan:
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This is so stupid I will stop here. Are you wagering me the player's picked on the mock drafts at 6 will fall to 16? Ok Ill bet $10,000 wherever whenever.

No, I believe that he wants to bet you that your top 15 aren't exactly the first 15 picked in the NBA draft. Meaning at least 1 will drop to 16.

What's taking him so long to answer who at 6 will be without question better than the player at 16?
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6/9/2008  11:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by BRIGGS:


This is so stupid I will stop here. Are you wagering me the player's picked on the mock drafts at 6 will fall to 16? Ok Ill bet $10,000 wherever whenever.

No, I believe that he wants to bet you that your top 15 aren't exactly the first 15 picked in the NBA draft. Meaning at least 1 will drop to 16.


Of course one will drop to 16. Hell 2 or 3 might fall. We've seen this happen before. There's a laundry list of guys who fell lower than they were projected....Pierce, R.Lewis, M. Ellis, Granger, etc.
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6/9/2008  11:20 PM
Why are we talking about "packages"? (not that there's anything wrong with that - just askin')
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6/10/2008  10:16 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Briggs, I've proposed the following package a bunch of times on here.

David Lee for pick 13+Sergio Rodriquez.

Now we're talking here. Like nyk4ever I've posted the same trade proposal many times myself. I would love the 13th pick & I really really like Sergio Rodriguez - I think he could really develop into something special. Briggs you were talking the other day about looking into acquiring a guy who, as it stands right now, might not be the best fit with their current team (you brought up Patrick O'Bryant for example). I agree and for me Sergio Rodriguez is at the top of a small list of guys that fits this mold:

1 - Sergio Rodriguez - appeared to have fallen out of favor with Portland mgmt. on several occassions last season, particularly with Nate McMillan, but he's got everything you can possibly want in a young PG you're looking to develop on a rebuilding team - youth (turns 22-years-old in 3 days), above average PG size (6'3"), solid quickness, great handle, looks to push the pace, capable scorer (can shoot & drive), but best of all he's very creative & always looking pass-first above all else. The kid had 10 assists in only 8 minutes last year in a game... Teammates would love this kid and I betcha D'Antoni would too if he doesn't already.

2 - Morris Almond - doesn't really seem to fit in the scheme of things out there in Utah (they're committed to Ronnie Brewer at the 2, Sloan likes CJ Miles, they've got Kirilenko and Harpring on the wing along with Kyle Korver now in the mix as an extra shooter). Maybe not the quickest guy around but the kid's a young, big, strong, silky smooth scorer who hits 3s, gets to the line and makes his FTs. Capable rebounder at the 2 who's big enough to swing over and play some 3. Lit up the D-League this past season, including at least 2 50 pt. games.

3 - Hilton Armstrong - Big, young shotblocker that suprisingly got little PT during the season and even less in the playoffs. I know Chandler and West are the two important guys up front for N.O. but did the kid even see any PT in that last series against the Spurs?!?! With regular rotation PT he can definitely help any club - weakside blocks, rebounds, and I think he's actually got some decent untapped offensive ability he could develop if encouraged to do so. Briggs help me out here - you're a U-Conn guy - tell me how pretty those jumper mechanics look - we're talking range out to about 20 feet....

There's a few more guys I like to a lesser extent that fit the bill (Francisco Garcia, Arron Afflalo) but these are my top guys I'd look to acquire provided their current teams are looking to swing a reasonable/sensible deal.

Also, Briggs you mentioned keeping your eyes open in the D-League and summer league for that John Starks/Anthony Mason role player type that we could add on the cheap that could eventually have an impact. I agree again and here are few guys I've talked about before (not sure where some are now off the top of my head):

Justin Williams - active rebounder/shot-blocker. If New Orleans wants too much for Armstrong grab this guy instead
Louis Amundson - if we ever lost Lee and we're looking to replace his hustle this kid's capable
Alexander Johnson - ditto Amundson
Chris Rodgers - reserve PG with size, can handle the ball, and play some fierce defense from what I remember
Von Wafer - got some length as a 2 and can score the ball
Rickey Paulding - a little bit of a smaller 2, good athlete though
Guillermo Diaz - athletic shooter/slasher, offensive-minded but could develop a decent floor game, he's reminds me of Nate Robinson with some more size - my sister-in-law works for the University of Miami and got me tickets for a game a while back - when I saw him in person I was impressed
Kevin Pittsnogle - big boy who can shoot the ball from deep and rebound a little bit

---------------------

Back to David Lee for pick 13 & Sergio Rodriguez. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I'm Walsh. Even if I had to sweeten it up a little to get it done (Balkman, Nate, cash, future draft choice, etc...) I would. Portland would like Lee - Pritchard just said recently that he's looking to add 'quality players' which told me that he's looking for a sure thing instead of a project and they are a poor rebounding team - even with Oden coming back, hopefully he'll be 100%, they need help on the glass. Aldridge should rebound more than he does with that size and Frye gives them nothing on the glass... And for the Knicks, as long as we make a smart choice with the 6th pick, I'd love to take a chance on a project like JaVale McGee at #13. Realistic scenario and a good trade for both clubs if you ask me.


[Edited by - finestrg on 06-09-2008 10:34 PM]

Yup, I remember you saying that as well Fine, I don't know how many others agree with us, but oh well. I would definitely make that trade though, Sergio is well-equipped to run D'Antoni's offense, he comes relatively cheap and we get another pick out of it to mold. Yes, losing out on David Lee sucks, but I think at this point, it's a move we have to make when you look at the numbers and all.

I really like that list you compiled. I dont think theres anyway we can steal Almond from the Jazz, Sloan is too smart to give him up, but he'd be PERFECT. Hilton Armstrong is another awesome mention, he'd be perfect in this system, I feel like he can be had for the right price, although I'm not sure what that price is.

Yeah nyk I really like this scenario with Portland. Out of all these rumors out there this looks like it could have some legs if ever explored. Donnie, pick up the phone on this one and make it happen....

You're probably right about Almond. Even though they have a surplus of wings he would be hard to pry away from Utah - Lee's our best trading chip by far and they already have there own David Lee in Paul Milsap. Still, I'd love to get him and still think we should've taken him over Wilson Chandler ourselves when we had a chance in last year's draft.

Oh yeah, I forgot to add Gerald Green as another guy I might look into taking a chance on if the price is right. He was released by 3 teams already which raises all kinds of red flags but the talent is there fellas. I like him in a Qyntel Woods sorta way...
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6/10/2008  2:24 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Malik Rose Mardy Collins and a 2012 lottery protected 1 for Jarret Jack Joel Pryzbila and pick 13


I've been pushing for D-Lee for Sergio Rodriguez and the #13 (Brandon Rush) or Joe Alexander or even The Italian Stallion.

Sergio hasn't proved much but if Mike D liked him I'd take a shot at him.

At # 6 we either take Mayo if available or maybe Randolph.
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6/10/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs, I've proposed the following package a bunch of times on here.

David Lee for pick 13+Sergio Rodriquez.

Yes - this is the one I've been wanting for some time. That said - I'm not 100% sold on Sergio but if Mike D liked him for his system it would be a nice move.

We keep our #6, we get young point, we get an extra pick (Brandon Rush?), we avoid the big Lee extension (over-pay)?
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