Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by majorleads:

Hell F!ucking yeah I make this trade. Zach and the #6 for Evans and #16. HELL YEAH!!! Any day of the week SIGN ME UP!!! We get rid of the cancerous Randolph which unto itself is worth a #1 pick to us, AND we shed his ridiculous contract and only take back 5 million in 2010. Evans is a tough player, plays defense AND if we wanted to, we could trade him because he doesn't make much money. Teams LOVE those types of players. After the top 2 in this draft and maybe Mayo, everything is a crapshoot. We could get someone just as good with the 16th pick as we could with the 6th pick.

How the hell could anyone say no to this trade?!?!!? Absolutely ridiculous to say no!!! Even if Mayo was available at 6. Zach off our team and his contract is worth more than Mayo and Evans is a great fit for us.

It's pretty easy to say no to a stupid trade.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by majorleads:

Hell F!ucking yeah I make this trade. Zach and the #6 for Evans and #16. HELL YEAH!!! Any day of the week SIGN ME UP!!! We get rid of the cancerous Randolph which unto itself is worth a #1 pick to us, AND we shed his ridiculous contract and only take back 5 million in 2010. Evans is a tough player, plays defense AND if we wanted to, we could trade him because he doesn't make much money. Teams LOVE those types of players. After the top 2 in this draft and maybe Mayo, everything is a crapshoot. We could get someone just as good with the 16th pick as we could with the 6th pick.

How the hell could anyone say no to this trade?!?!!? Absolutely ridiculous to say no!!! Even if Mayo was available at 6. Zach off our team and his contract is worth more than Mayo and Evans is a great fit for us.

It's pretty easy to say no to a stupid trade.

^Ditto. I wanna trade Zach just as bad as the next guy, but there's some serious talent in this draft and you absolutely cannot pass on it in order to get rid of a contract. There's probably other ways to trade Zach this Summe especially considering that we don't even have a pick in a couple of years. I thought the draft with Andrew Bynum was real important to us, but I think this is even more important, especially considering how hard it is to deal our guys for quality players.

While it's definitely important that we cut our fat, we still need to bring in the most quality of players we can get. I'd rather stick Randolph on the bench for the rest of his contract, at this point, then pass on pick 6.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by majorleads:

Hell F!ucking yeah I make this trade. Zach and the #6 for Evans and #16. HELL YEAH!!! Any day of the week SIGN ME UP!!! We get rid of the cancerous Randolph which unto itself is worth a #1 pick to us, AND we shed his ridiculous contract and only take back 5 million in 2010. Evans is a tough player, plays defense AND if we wanted to, we could trade him because he doesn't make much money. Teams LOVE those types of players. After the top 2 in this draft and maybe Mayo, everything is a crapshoot. We could get someone just as good with the 16th pick as we could with the 6th pick.

How the hell could anyone say no to this trade?!?!!? Absolutely ridiculous to say no!!! Even if Mayo was available at 6. Zach off our team and his contract is worth more than Mayo and Evans is a great fit for us.

It's pretty easy to say no to a stupid trade.

^Ditto. I wanna trade Zach just as bad as the next guy, but there's some serious talent in this draft and you absolutely cannot pass on it in order to get rid of a contract. There's probably other ways to trade Zach this Summer especially considering that we don't even have a pick in a couple of years. I thought the draft with Andrew Bynum was real important to us, but I think this is even more important, especially considering how hard it is to deal our guys for quality players.

While it's definitely important that we cut our fat, we still need to bring in the most quality of players we can get. I'd rather stick Randolph on the bench for the rest of his contract, at this point, then pass on pick 6.

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by majorleads:

Hell F!ucking yeah I make this trade. Zach and the #6 for Evans and #16. HELL YEAH!!! Any day of the week SIGN ME UP!!! We get rid of the cancerous Randolph which unto itself is worth a #1 pick to us, AND we shed his ridiculous contract and only take back 5 million in 2010. Evans is a tough player, plays defense AND if we wanted to, we could trade him because he doesn't make much money. Teams LOVE those types of players. After the top 2 in this draft and maybe Mayo, everything is a crapshoot. We could get someone just as good with the 16th pick as we could with the 6th pick.

How the hell could anyone say no to this trade?!?!!? Absolutely ridiculous to say no!!! Even if Mayo was available at 6. Zach off our team and his contract is worth more than Mayo and Evans is a great fit for us.

It's pretty easy to say no to a stupid trade.

^Ditto. I wanna trade Zach just as bad as the next guy, but there's some serious talent in this draft and you absolutely cannot pass on it in order to get rid of a contract. There's probably other ways to trade Zach this Summe especially considering that we don't even have a pick in a couple of years. I thought the draft with Andrew Bynum was real important to us, but I think this is even more important, especially considering how hard it is to deal our guys for quality players.

While it's definitely important that we cut our fat, we still need to bring in the most quality of players we can get. I'd rather stick Randolph on the bench for the rest of his contract, at this point, then pass on pick 6.

Do you agree there isn't a whole lot of separation from 6-11, 12, 13, 14, 15?

There is massive seperation between 6-16.

For example--do you think you will have the option to draft Mayo Westbrook Bayless Gordon Randolph Alexander Lopez at 16? all long gone--so the seperation is enormous

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-05-2008 2:30 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by MS:

I just don't know the logic here. Zach goes 14mil 17mil 18mil that two very good players and one superstar. They wouldn't do the deal when they can get elton brand. Who is going to take zach, who?

We need to get rid of Crawford, Curry, and Zach with anything it doesn't matter

Here it is in simple math


players under contract for 2010

Curry 11.3
jamal C 10 unless he opts out which i doubt
jefferies 7mm
Chandler 2mm
zach 17
----5 players=47mm without resigning Lee Nate and 7 OTHER players

you take out Zach and add Evans

you are at 35mm with 5 players without resigning Lee nate and 7 other players

the ONLY way to stay below the cap is give lee and nate away for nothing or a draft pick

so how enticing will this team be to FA when the roster is blank--we have NO one--NO TOP TIER FA is going to accept a 100% rebuild--name 1 who has? Kobe wanted to quit the Lakers and they were pretty stacked we would have no one in this secnario and that iusnt happening. They have to be real about it

Well by my trade we'd have

Chandler(options picked up)
Nate(extension possibly)
11th pick(insert player)
19th pick(insert player)
Next yr's(2009) first round draft pick(possible high lottery to mid first rounder)
Curry(under contract until traded)
Craw(under contract until traded)
Jermaine O'neal(Free Agent who could be resigned or extended we own Bird rights)
Ared Effries(under contract until traded)

The key would be can we turn Jermaine O'neal's huge expiring into anything come 2009/2010 deadline or before and can we turn Curry, Craw, Eff, and Nate into anything?

You're dealing in multi player fantasy. We all do it.

The bottom line is this

we have pick 6 lets make a great pick and add some much needed talent to our team. Lets try to rid ourselves of Zach or Curry Jefferies with reasonable deals. I think that Zach for Evans straight is reasonable. And if we cant get it done---we try to get the players to play better in Mike's system that caters to making players look better. NO need to panic about cap space 2 years from now--right now we need to add a nice piece and deal with Lee's siuation. Lets start by getting a good player in the draft.

Briggs I'm sure this is under the premise our Main Guy(I think it's Mayo) is gone. What if the draft goes....

Beasley
Mayo
Rose
Bayless
Love

(I doubt it but just for example)

Now I want Gordon at 6 but some drafts prospects such as Gordon, Westbrook, Arthur, Randolph, Alexander, Galinari, Jordan, and Agustin etc etc are projected as low as 11-18 so the player we want may still be on the table at 11 as you can see and I left out Lopez. If we want we could expand the deal to get the player we want.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-05-2008 1:51 PM]