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6/8/2008  4:34 PM
Anji what do you want to give up for that extra pick.
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6/8/2008  5:05 PM
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Randolph has skills and he is exciting to watch. This being said he doesnt play any defense on the post and doesnt try defensively. LSU was awful this year and people on that team were putting up stats. He will be in foul trouble every game his first two years because he will get physically overpowered. He takes a lot of bad shots 46% from the field turns the ball over and has little or no feel for the game. His athleticism carried him in college in the pros he will be exposed. The Knicks need a safe pick and Randolph isnt

King 1 Randolph is a 18 years old. How many blocks and steals did David Lee average at Florida as a senior? The projected talent level both ways on this kid is big time.
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6/8/2008  5:09 PM
I dont care about 2.3 blocks a game. Hecant shoot the ball, take bad shots, and turns the ball over and he is a 3 year project. By the time he gives the Knicks anything it will be time for him to be a free agent. He doesnt have the feel of the game as Odom.
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6/8/2008  5:14 PM
Horford, Noah, Haslem, and Lee didnt put up thos numbers at Florida in any of their years. DOes that make a guy who played on a terrible team better than they were? Randolph takes bad shots and plays no defense on the block. Lets draft him and watch him get overpowered every night and exposed. How about draft a guard that cant shoot the ball.
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6/8/2008  5:34 PM
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Horford, Noah, Haslem, and Lee didnt put up thos numbers at Florida in any of their years. DOes that make a guy who played on a terrible team better than they were? Randolph takes bad shots and plays no defense on the block. Lets draft him and watch him get overpowered every night and exposed. How about draft a guard that cant shoot the ball.

This guy has more talent than any of the players you mentioned. Thats like saying we should not draft Amare Stoudemire because all he does is try to jam the ball against 6-6 kids and hes only 6-8 playing AAU and hes been in 7 different HS. Or Monta Ellis will not be good he's way to skinny and the bigger guards will kill him. Lets face it Randolph has every skill in the book and has star potential @ a very lengthy 6-10.
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6/8/2008  6:45 PM
Tyrus Thomas, Sene, Stromile Swift, were all athletic and didnt work out. Leon Smith was a great talent and a head case. Ronnie Fields was the next great player and he was a head case. Randolph is a high risk high reward player that doesnt have a great feel for the game. Give me Westbrook, EG or trade down Randolph wont help anyone for a couple of years.
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6/8/2008  7:04 PM
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Tyrus Thomas, Sene, Stromile Swift, were all athletic and didnt work out. Leon Smith was a great talent and a head case. Ronnie Fields was the next great player and he was a head case. Randolph is a high risk high reward player that doesnt have a great feel for the game. Give me Westbrook, EG or trade down Randolph wont help anyone for a couple of years.

Randolph has the highest upside at 6 if he is there. The key to pick 6 is getting the best long term player and not focusing on who is best in year 1. Randolph is a 4 man in the shaun marion type mode with a diversified skill set. He will play hybrid F to start but he will be a 4. He plays tough and skilled--he is no project imho. He played in a very tough conference and was easily one of the best playesr as a freshmen. Learning curves yes--he is 18--project no way to skilled.
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6/8/2008  7:13 PM
Skilled I will agree he plays no defense and really doesnt even try. Offensively he is skilled and whoever takes him he will struggle the first couple of years. I want guys that have a feel for thwe game and he doesnt he runs and jumps and takes bad shots and forces things. Like I said do you want a safe pick or a guy that can be a all star or nothing at 6?
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6/8/2008  8:02 PM
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Skilled I will agree he plays no defense and really doesnt even try. Offensively he is skilled and whoever takes him he will struggle the first couple of years. I want guys that have a feel for thwe game and he doesnt he runs and jumps and takes bad shots and forces things. Like I said do you want a safe pick or a guy that can be a all star or nothing at 6?

I would expect that Waltoni will want to get maximum value at 6 should they keep the pick. There is only one real PG IMO and Augustin doesn't have the physical tools i'd like at 6. Westbrook would be a good pick as well at 6. I also like another raw player in Javale McGee. Were not gonna really benefit much with a safe pick at this point. We've got to make our best educated guess on who has some star potential and allow D'Antoni to work with that kid to draw out that talent.
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6/8/2008  8:17 PM
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Skilled I will agree he plays no defense and really doesnt even try. Offensively he is skilled and whoever takes him he will struggle the first couple of years. I want guys that have a feel for thwe game and he doesnt he runs and jumps and takes bad shots and forces things. Like I said do you want a safe pick or a guy that can be a all star or nothing at 6?

He dribbles with his head up at full speed looking for the best play either pass or drive. He has a beautiful quick long first step that allows him to go right around defenders. He is a willing passer. He runs the floor hard goes to the rin hard. Nice mid range stroke out to 18 feet already a solid FT guy. If you don't have a real good feel for the game you dont have those skills. I disagree on what you said with his defense--if anything he has great defensive potential. Anyone who writes a scouting report on him will mention that
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6/8/2008  10:51 PM
Everything with him is potential he never finishes when he get bumped and his jumper is suspect. I can live if he finihes arounf the basket but for a big man at 46% is very poor. I can be willing to bet Horford, Noah, Lee, ande Haslem all will have a better career than a man with pontential.
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6/8/2008  11:10 PM
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Everything with him is potential he never finishes when he get bumped and his jumper is suspect. I can live if he finihes arounf the basket but for a big man at 46% is very poor. I can be willing to bet Horford, Noah, Lee, ande Haslem all will have a better career than a man with pontential.

King 1 my bet is these guys did not average 15-9-2 their first year as an 18 YO. I dont think David Lee averaged that as a senior and 22 YO. Kind 1 what do you think Randolph would average if he stayed 4 years at LSU maybe 23 13-3?
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6/9/2008  1:22 AM
LSU was terrible so according to your math, Tyler hansbrough will be the number pick in the draft next year and be in the HOF. According to your math JJ Redick should be the MVP of the league now. EG averged 21 points a game on a better team at Indiana. How did Bobby Hurley not become one of the best point guards ever in the pros? Lets see if Randolph can average a double-double in his first three years in the league.
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6/9/2008  1:25 AM
Briggs I guess since Randolph averaged 15 a game as a freshman he is better than Michael Jordan since he only averaged 13 as a freshman. Randolph is a athlete and when he has to use skill ands strength and instincts in the pros he will get exposed. If this guy is the next Horford how is he not the top pick of the draft?
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6/9/2008  1:44 AM
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LSU was terrible so according to your math, Tyler hansbrough will be the number pick in the draft next year and be in the HOF. According to your math JJ Redick should be the MVP of the league now. EG averged 21 points a game on a better team at Indiana. How did Bobby Hurley not become one of the best point guards ever in the pros? Lets see if Randolph can average a double-double in his first three years in the league.

Yes I guess this player will stink. Yes an 18 year old 6-10+ player who has every skill in the book dribbles like a guard speed athletic ability wingspan--he's bound to stink.

my picks for the knicks draft since i was here on ny knicks .com now defunct
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2003 picked out bosh wade and kaman early during the year settled on sweetney because we were not in position to get those players
2004 Josh Smith I did say I would have picked Emeka over Dwight
2005 Andrew Bynum I wouldve picked Bogut with 1
2006 I would ve picked Tyrus Thomas with pick 2 that is what I said


I think my record on the lottery is good. I always go by what I see not what anyone else says.
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6/9/2008  1:52 AM
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Briggs I guess since Randolph averaged 15 a game as a freshman he is better than Michael Jordan since he only averaged 13 as a freshman. Randolph is a athlete and when he has to use skill ands strength and instincts in the pros he will get exposed. If this guy is the next Horford how is he not the top pick of the draft?


King 1 you think David Lee would go 15-12 on the Lakers Spurs Celtics or Pistons? i think more like 7+6 off the bench.
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6/9/2008  1:53 PM
If he gets 330 minutes a game he get a double-double. He plays better on those teams he wont get face guarded when he rebounds. When someone play the Knicks keeping Lee off the boards is a priority. How many men get face guarded rebounding. You cant double the post with his man because of his rebounding. If he played with a real point guard or with a post man that demanded double teams he would average 10-10.
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6/10/2008  8:40 AM
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Posted by King1:

LSU was terrible so according to your math, Tyler hansbrough will be the number pick in the draft next year and be in the HOF. According to your math JJ Redick should be the MVP of the league now. EG averged 21 points a game on a better team at Indiana. How did Bobby Hurley not become one of the best point guards ever in the pros? Lets see if Randolph can average a double-double in his first three years in the league.

Yes I guess this player will stink. Yes an 18 year old 6-10+ player who has every skill in the book dribbles like a guard speed athletic ability wingspan--he's bound to stink.

my picks for the knicks draft since i was here on ny knicks .com now defunct
2002 amare stoudemire
2003 picked out bosh wade and kaman early during the year settled on sweetney because we were not in position to get those players
2004 Josh Smith I did say I would have picked Emeka over Dwight
2005 Andrew Bynum I wouldve picked Bogut with 1
2006 I would ve picked Tyrus Thomas with pick 2 that is what I said


I think my record on the lottery is good. I always go by what I see not what anyone else says.
its a good discussion you guys have here, but I think your points got lost a bit. King didnt say AR would be a bad player, only that he's a 3 year project at best and gave some good examples of guys with his same upside that were average at best or didnt pan out at all. Lets bring the discussion back to where we were.. can the Knicks afford to draft a player like that?

I dont think we can... I would much rather see a guy with more of an NBA game, comes from a winning situation and has shown some real toughness. That is what I like about Mayo, Westbrook, Love

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6/10/2008  11:09 AM
I bought my tickets today for the draft. I am officially attending.
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6/10/2008  11:16 AM
I think AR has a chance to be good. I think the Knicks cant afford to have a bust here and AR is a high risk. We have lost our three last lottery picks and now we have to have someone that will contribute.
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