I don't get it, Gordon is the epitome of a "Mike D'Antonio player" but not many people on the board are happy with the prospect of drafting him. Yet so many of the same people were so thrilled to get D'Antonio as head coach and his "great" system that requires exactly those types of players.

If you're so psyched about getting D'Antonio to coach, shouldn't you be just as psyched for his one dimensional type players?

Mike's system asks that all five players be skilled and able to play multiple positions. He also likes guys that can defend on the wing, like Raja Bell. Part of the reason when he was GM he game Banks the full MLE because recognized the need for and values defense. Especially on the perimeter.

Posted by fishmike:

Mike's system asks that all five players be skilled and able to play multiple positions. He also likes guys that can defend on the wing, like Raja Bell. Part of the reason when he was GM he game Banks the full MLE because recognized the need for and values defense. Especially on the perimeter.

Guys who can defend on the wing? Guys meaning plural, means more than just Raja Bell.

So as GM he gave Banks the full MLE and then as the coach he never bothered to use him?

To value defense, your team actually has to play some.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Dont believe the hype either.. no way we take EG before Mayo

It's not a matter of who gets picked, it's a matter of people here not realizing that along with Mike D'Antonio comes his "type of players".

awesome... cant wait to get guys like Barbosa, Bell, Nash, Amare, Marion, Diaw... versatile multiposition guys that shoot high FG%'s and win games. Awesome. Isles.. your finally on to something.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Dont believe the hype either.. no way we take EG before Mayo

It's not a matter of who gets picked, it's a matter of people here not realizing that along with Mike D'Antonio comes his "type of players".

So you want slow one dimentional players. As opposed to athletic players that can get up and down the floor. What is it with you D'Antoni hasn't coached one damn game for the Knicks yet and hasn't even had a draft under his belt and your talking his type of players. I bet Garnett would be his type of player and Duncan and maybe even Shaq in his prime. For God sakes enough already stop playing with your crystal ball. Get over it Mark Jackson got over it already why don't you take a page out of his book.

Isles, you had a legitimate gripe about Isiah and Marbury, I agree with it 100% those clown did a lot of damage to the Knicks. I think you are 100% wrong about D'Antoni as of right now you are barking up the wrong tree. Gordon is a very good player he is a lights out shooter that can play some defense he has a nice wing span and verticle leap he is athletic, he is by no means a one dimentional player. Don't be so negative on the Knicks because they don't do what you want them to do, but as a fan of the club I think it would be more appreciated to support your team rather than ridicule constantly any move they make ( Isles, We know your the worlds greatest GM). There is no his type of player it a team type of player. You don't just pick players that don't help your situation you pick players that help what the team is trying to accomplish. If you were to make a list of his type of player that you claim that D'Antoni has you will find out that they are every teams type of player. Mayo is his type of player, Westbrook is his type of player, Gordon, Randolph, I'm sure rose, Bayless , Beasley are his type of players too.

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Dont believe the hype either.. no way we take EG before Mayo

It's not a matter of who gets picked, it's a matter of people here not realizing that along with Mike D'Antonio comes his "type of players".

So you want slow one dimentional players. As opposed to athletic players that can get up and down the floor. What is it with you D'Antoni hasn't coached one damn game for the Knicks yet and hasn't even had a draft under his belt and your talking his type of players. I bet Garnett would be his type of player and Duncan and maybe even Shaq in his prime. For God sakes enough already stop playing with your crystal ball. Get over it Mark Jackson got over it already why don't you take a page out of his book.

Isles, you had a legitimate gripe about Isiah and Marbury, I agree with it 100% those clown did a lot of damage to the Knicks. I think you are 100% wrong about D'Antoni as of right now you are barking up the wrong tree. Gordon is a very good player he is a lights out shooter that can play some defense he has a nice wing span and verticle leap he is athletic, he is by no means a one dimentional player. Don't be so negative on the Knicks because they don't do what you want them to do, but as a fan of the club I think it would be more appreciated to support your team rather than ridicule constantly any move they make ( Isles, We know your the worlds greatest GM). There is no his type of player it a team type of player. You don't just pick players that don't help your situation you pick players that help what the team is trying to accomplish. If you were to make a list of his type of player that you claim that D'Antoni has you will find out that they are every teams type of player. Mayo is his type of player, Westbrook is his type of player, Gordon, Randolph, I'm sure rose, Bayless , Beasley are his type of players too.

No, I want athletic 2 way players who care more about just getting theirs. What's with me is that I'd like to see the Knicks win a championship sooner rather than later and I don't feel that D'Antonio's system can win one. Teams that take only a passing interest in defense, like relying on an average defensive player like Raja Bell to improve an entire team's defense, don't win championships. His style might make for entertaining and perhaps successful regular season basketball but in the playoffs, it's lack of a commitment to defense will always be it's downfall.

Gordon is a one dimensional shooter/scorer, just like Crawford. He has a poor handle and is poor defensively. In other words, he's a Mike D'Antonio type player. And I can give 2 ****s about verticle leap and wing span. The CBA and Developmental League are full of guys with great verticles and long wing spans.

You're damn right I'm the world's greatest GM. Exactly right, you pick the players that help what goal you're trying to accomplish. Obviously the Knicks goal is to build an entertaining team that can run and gun, which hides little flaws like the inability to play defense, and sell tickets.

I don't feel that I have to say something negative. I want to. When it comes to this Dolan Circus, it's hard not to. Nothing has changed. Both of the new front men freely admit how bad things are here, yet one of the guys most responsible for it being that way is reassigned and left to scout for the team? Like I said, absolutely nothing has changed.

The Suns actually had a pretty decent defensive team. V, can you post those team stats you did before when D'Antoni was signed?

I mean, Marion was always in the running for DPOY, Bell got lauded for how he defended Kobe... I mean, the team wasn't great defensively but that's what happens when Nash and Amare get 40 MPG and one of the fundamental tenants of that Suns team was not to foul because the Suns were trying to get more FGs and FTs than the other team.

Furthermore, when you think of all the personnel mistakes the Suns made yet the Suns not only stayed competitive, but were legitimate contenders it makes your head spin.

Maybe D'Anotni isn't the long term answer... but I do know that players want to play for him. We all heard about how Kobe chose 8 because it was D'Antoni's number in Italy. And, if the Knicks are trying to sign LeBron, they aren't going to get him because the Knicks are one of the best teams in the league. They'd get him because of the endorsement dollars and that a guy with his playmaking ability would absolutely LOVE to play at MSG with D'Antoni's system. MAybe LBj is just a pipe dream. But The point is there are a lot of guys that would like to play for the guy and I'll worry about championships after the Knicks are finally good again.

Posted by islesfan:

A good coach is a good coach. He doesn't need "his" one dimensional type of players and he doesn't give a passing interest to team defense. Not Raja Bell defense. Not Marcus Banks defense. Team defense.

The Suns definitely were not a powerhouse defensive team for sure. But they weren't exactly terrible either. They were in the top half of the league defensively every year he was there, if I remember correctly.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Vmart:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by fishmike:

Dont believe the hype either.. no way we take EG before Mayo

It's not a matter of who gets picked, it's a matter of people here not realizing that along with Mike D'Antonio comes his "type of players".

So you want slow one dimentional players. As opposed to athletic players that can get up and down the floor. What is it with you D'Antoni hasn't coached one damn game for the Knicks yet and hasn't even had a draft under his belt and your talking his type of players. I bet Garnett would be his type of player and Duncan and maybe even Shaq in his prime. For God sakes enough already stop playing with your crystal ball. Get over it Mark Jackson got over it already why don't you take a page out of his book.

Isles, you had a legitimate gripe about Isiah and Marbury, I agree with it 100% those clown did a lot of damage to the Knicks. I think you are 100% wrong about D'Antoni as of right now you are barking up the wrong tree. Gordon is a very good player he is a lights out shooter that can play some defense he has a nice wing span and verticle leap he is athletic, he is by no means a one dimentional player. Don't be so negative on the Knicks because they don't do what you want them to do, but as a fan of the club I think it would be more appreciated to support your team rather than ridicule constantly any move they make ( Isles, We know your the worlds greatest GM). There is no his type of player it a team type of player. You don't just pick players that don't help your situation you pick players that help what the team is trying to accomplish. If you were to make a list of his type of player that you claim that D'Antoni has you will find out that they are every teams type of player. Mayo is his type of player, Westbrook is his type of player, Gordon, Randolph, I'm sure rose, Bayless , Beasley are his type of players too.

No, I want athletic 2 way players who care more about just getting theirs. What's with me is that I'd like to see the Knicks win a championship sooner rather than later and I don't feel that D'Antonio's system can win one. Teams that take only a passing interest in defense, like relying on an average defensive player like Raja Bell to improve an entire team's defense, don't win championships. His style might make for entertaining and perhaps successful regular season basketball but in the playoffs, it's lack of a commitment to defense will always be it's downfall.

Gordon is a one dimensional shooter/scorer, just like Crawford. He has a poor handle and is poor defensively. In other words, he's a Mike D'Antonio type player. And I can give 2 ****s about verticle leap and wing span. The CBA and Developmental League are full of guys with great verticles and long wing spans.

You're damn right I'm the world's greatest GM. Exactly right, you pick the players that help what goal you're trying to accomplish. Obviously the Knicks goal is to build an entertaining team that can run and gun, which hides little flaws like the inability to play defense, and sell tickets.

I don't feel that I have to say something negative. I want to. When it comes to this Dolan Circus, it's hard not to. Nothing has changed. Both of the new front men freely admit how bad things are here, yet one of the guys most responsible for it being that way is reassigned and left to scout for the team? Like I said, absolutely nothing has changed.

Your talking championship when that should be the furtest thing in one mind right now you have to take baby steps to get to a championship unless a team is going to make a donation and I don't see a team willing to make a donation like Boston and Lakers got. You are so negative against the Knicks that they could get God to play for them and you will call him a one way player only because D'Antoni is a Knicks coach. Your hatred for the Knicks oraganization is shining brighter than the sun could ever shine. You know how badly Isiah screwed this organization over and its the fans that have to pay the price for his mishandlings. The organization has been set back for years you want toexercise rebuilding yet you talk about championships.

Gordon is a good two way player but you are judging him based not by what he can do but what decision you have already made without really giving him the consideration he deserves, basically you are making a decision and leaving a lot of stones unturned. I'm confident that the Knicks will get a good player in the draft that will make a positive impact for the Knicks. As for you negativity its getting old and tedious.

I can understand anyone hoping for a defensive juggernaut to return to NY basketball, but at the same time if you're realistic about things D'Antoni did wonders with a team that didn't have an all world player on the team when he got the jog. Nash became a great player, but he wasn't considered a MVP type player before he got there. Amare and Marion are very good players, but that's not Kobe and Shaq or even Pierce and KG.

You can bash D'Antoni all you want, but give him the credit he deserves as a TOP head coach and basketball mind. I don't think he ignores defense to the degree that some like to portray. Besides isn't it Walsh who is not known as an offense only GM, who will be making the big decisions for this team? I think they will complement each other very well. I believe Walsh will find him more 2 way players and guys that don't need to be forced to play D. A kid like Westbrook for example would be a good fit.

For those who believe that I'm just always being negative, I'm already on record saying that I'd be happy with Westbrook and to a lesser extent Randolph and Augustin if they used the pick and content if they traded down to unload a bad contract (Randolph's) or accumulate picks.

Taking very one dimensional and short combo guards like Gordon and Bayless or a future bust like Gallinari are the only options that I've been completely negative about.