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islesfan
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6/3/2008  10:59 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by islesfan:

I would have preferred Saunders over D'Antonio as the head coach. At least he doesn't need "Saunders type players".

Flip wouldn't have guided them to a championship but neither will D'Antonio and the roster won't have to be completely turned over from the one dimensional "D'Antonio type players" when a coaching change needs to be made.

No you may be mistaken. We should worry about the crybaby who won't be here the season after next a lot more than the fact that Flip wouldn't need "Saunders type players."

Sheesh.

If anything, Saunders would have had a better chance at keeping Starbury in line for most of the season. What's the big deal about Marbury anyway, he's gone after this season regardless of how he plays. He's a non entity.

Exactly my point. He won't be here after this season. What the Hell is the fuss for ? Kind of sad how some people still factor this loser into the equation when it comes to the true decisions this organization needs to make to get into the right direction.

I sure as hell don't factorial that idiot in the equation, so why bring him up?
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6/3/2008  11:01 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

Flip took over a ready made team. And D'Antoni played in the West. There is a huge disparity in the West and the East.

Ahh yes, I forgot that counts as an excuse. You're blaming Flip for the cards he was dealt more than you're realizing he nearly optimized that Pistons team that he inherited. Wonderful.

Yeah and one of the best GM just sent him a pink slip obviously you know more than Joe Dumars. You know the working of the Pistons better than Dumars.

Flip won in the West right. Everyone is a great coach but D'Antoni right. Please enough already with nonsense. You guys really have to learn to give people a chance. Stop stomping on people before they even get a chance to accomplish something.


Stop stomping around not acknowledging their failures.
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6/3/2008  11:02 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

Flip took over a ready made team. And D'Antoni played in the West. There is a huge disparity in the West and the East.


The Pistons won more games under Flip in a 3yr span than any other coach in Pistons coach in History I believe. That has to count for something. I love how some are trying to minimize what he did there to make their own feelings work out the rationale. IMO they are both EPIC failures and I say Ewwwww to both. Double Standard here that's for sure.

True, successful coaching doesn't count in the East. You should know that.
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6/3/2008  11:18 PM
The team Saunders had this year wasn't close to the team LB had when they won the title. Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace were a formidable defensive force in the paint. Now Ben is gone and Rasheed is fading.
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6/3/2008  11:20 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

Flip took over a ready made team. And D'Antoni played in the West. There is a huge disparity in the West and the East.


The Pistons won more games under Flip in a 3yr span than any other coach in Pistons coach in History I believe. That has to count for something. I love how some are trying to minimize what he did there to make their own feelings work out the rationale. IMO they are both EPIC failures and I say Ewwwww to both. Double Standard here that's for sure.

True, successful coaching doesn't count in the East. You should know that.


I all you can do is SYH. The guy averaged 58wins over 3yrs and some want to chalk it up as him being a beneficiary, as if D'Antonio Davis wasn't a beneficiary.
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6/3/2008  11:24 PM
Posted by Ira:

The team Saunders had this year wasn't close to the team LB had when they won the title. Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace were a formidable defensive force in the paint. Now Ben is gone and Rasheed is fading.

Dude I'm not even arguing the fact he didn't win a chip I'm arguing the fact he never once got them to the Finals. And sorry McDyess and Maxiell equal Ben Wallace to an extent. It's not like Detroit's defense floundered without Ben. Simple fact of the matter D'Antonio Daniels and Flip Saunders Basketball... with prototype rosters never got to the Finals.
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6/3/2008  11:25 PM
I like how when Flip wins alot of games but never a title, its chalked up to good coaching but when the D'Antoni wins alot of games and never a championship, it's chalked up to him being a terrible coach.

Go figure.

And for the record, I don't think one is better than the other but I find it funny people will say that Flip is the better choice, although there really is no difference. Infact you can call Flip a worse flop because the East the past few years has been **** and he never got a team that had won in the finals to another championship.
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6/3/2008  11:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I like how when Flip wins alot of games but never a title, its chalked up to good coaching but when the D'Antoni wins alot of games and never a championship, it's chalked up to him being a terrible coach.

Go figure.

And for the record, I don't think one is better than the other but I find it funny people will say that Flip is the better choice, although there really is no difference. Infact you can call Flip a worse flop because the East the past few years has been **** and he never got a team that had won in the finals to another championship.


Not in my commentary. I said they both are Epic Failures considering what they had at their disposals, but If D'Antono McDyess get's credit for winning then so does Flip.
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6/3/2008  11:27 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

Flip took over a ready made team. And D'Antoni played in the West. There is a huge disparity in the West and the East.


The Pistons won more games under Flip in a 3yr span than any other coach in Pistons coach in History I believe. That has to count for something. I love how some are trying to minimize what he did there to make their own feelings work out the rationale. IMO they are both EPIC failures and I say Ewwwww to both. Double Standard here that's for sure.

True, successful coaching doesn't count in the East. You should know that.


I all you can do is SYH. The guy averaged 58wins over 3yrs and some want to chalk it up as him being a beneficiary, as if D'Antonio Davis wasn't a beneficiary.


Flip did a great job of helping the Pistons back to the playoffs. He should be commended for taking a team use to going to the finals the prior two years before he got there and making them into just another playoff team.
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6/3/2008  11:34 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

Flip took over a ready made team. And D'Antoni played in the West. There is a huge disparity in the West and the East.


The Pistons won more games under Flip in a 3yr span than any other coach in Pistons coach in History I believe. That has to count for something. I love how some are trying to minimize what he did there to make their own feelings work out the rationale. IMO they are both EPIC failures and I say Ewwwww to both. Double Standard here that's for sure.

True, successful coaching doesn't count in the East. You should know that.


I all you can do is SYH. The guy averaged 58wins over 3yrs and some want to chalk it up as him being a beneficiary, as if D'Antonio Davis wasn't a beneficiary.


Flip did a great job of helping the Pistons back to the playoffs. He should be commended for taking a team use to going to the finals the prior two years before he got there and making them into just another playoff team.


I guess the Pistons were supposed to win the Chip every yr according to your high standards. They weren't just another playoff team. They went to the ECF 3 straight yrs. Find a coach who's done this the past 5yrs.

Correction Pop didn't do this but he won a couple Chips

Mike San'Antonio took a team who made the WCF 1 yr, then the next yr semi's(possibly cheated but whatever), then the next yr bounced in the first round. In the words of I SAY UGH.... "I like the direction D'Antonio Harvey had the Suns headed."


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-03-2008 10:36 PM]
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6/3/2008  11:42 PM
When the Pistons were the better team in 2 of the 3 years you would think they would atleast get to the finals once. But I'm not gonna blame Flip for that I think the Pistons became overconfident in their abilities and thought they could turn it on and off whenever they wanted its no reflection of Flip its more a reflection of the players. The Pistons players basically became premodannas.
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6/4/2008  1:30 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Mike San'Antonio ... D'Antonio Harvey

Let's get them all out of the way so that you can quit it with the nicknames:

D'Antoni Braxton
D'Antoni Tony Tone
D'Antoni Soprano
D'Antoni Bennett
D'Antoni LaRussa
D'Antoni the Tiger
D'Antoni Iomi
D'Antoni Starks
etc
etc
etc
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6/4/2008  2:11 AM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Mike San'Antonio ... D'Antonio Harvey

Let's get them all out of the way so that you can quit it with the nicknames:

D'Antoni Braxton
D'Antoni Tony Tone
D'Antoni Soprano
D'Antoni Bennett
D'Antoni LaRussa
D'Antoni the Tiger
D'Antoni Iomi
D'Antoni Starks
etc
etc
etc


LMFAO @ D'Antoni the Tiger but you're leaving out the "o" on all of them so no can do with those names. It would have been ok on just a couple but not all.
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6/4/2008  2:22 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Mike San'Antonio ... D'Antonio Harvey

Let's get them all out of the way so that you can quit it with the nicknames:

D'Antoni Braxton
D'Antoni Tony Tone
D'Antoni Soprano
D'Antoni Bennett
D'Antoni LaRussa
D'Antoni the Tiger
D'Antoni Iomi
D'Antoni Starks
etc
etc
etc


LMFAO @ D'Antoni the Tiger but you're leaving out the "o" on all of them so no can do with those names. It would have been ok on just a couple but not all.

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6/4/2008  12:18 PM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Flip is sounding better than D'antoni right about now. Thank you Walsh, for rushing to conclusions.

How is Flip a better candidate? He's won just as much as D'Antoni.

He seems to have a better balance of offense and defense, whether or not he inherited a more defensive oriented team as opposed to D'antoni. And the 3 consecutive ECF carries more weight than what D'antoni accomplished in Phoenix.

He had a roster that had a better balance of offense and defense as well. If you swapped coaches/rosters I don't think either team does as well as it did (flip with suns -- mike with pistons) because the personnel wouldn't fit the coach.


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