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5/28/2008  6:25 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

EXACTLY!!! The fact that Walsh always seems to be picking in that mid-to-late territory implies he's doing something right. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this one turns out... and for once the Knicks aren't picking in the same territory due to a boneheaded trade.

actually you can accredit Isiah's boneheaded trade for Zach as a big part of the reason why we're picking 6th in the draft this season much in the same way his trade for Curry sorta had the same effect prior, only this time he didn't trade away the draft rights... right now i'd give up the pick for a mid round pick & having Zach's contract off our books any day of the week.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 3:26 PM]
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5/28/2008  6:40 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:

EXACTLY!!! The fact that Walsh always seems to be picking in that mid-to-late territory implies he's doing something right. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this one turns out... and for once the Knicks aren't picking in the same territory due to a boneheaded trade.

actually you can accredit Isiah's boneheaded trade for Zach as a big part of the reason why we're picking 6th in the draft this season much in the same way his trade for Curry sorta had the same effect prior, only this time he didn't trade away the draft rights... right now i'd give up the pick for a mid round pick & having Zach's contract off our books any day of the week.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 3:26 PM]

I can't argue with that. What a terrible, terrible acquisition. But because we have no 2010 pick, this year's pick and next year's pick really have a ton of importance to the long-term of the squad. I'm hoping the Knicks can peddle Randolph to Cleveland for some of their crap.
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5/28/2008  7:17 PM
no doubt no longer having that 2010 pick sucks but there's really nothing we can do about it now... we can't make roster decisions based on the fear of giving up a high pick in 2010 because of Isiah's past mistake... we have to do what's in the best interests of our franchise going forward first & foremost... that pick is gone regardless what we do... the LAST thing i wanna do is take on another bloated deal just so we can be competitive enough to win enough games in '09 to sneak into the playoffs & not end up giving a lottery pick, & screwing ourselves even further in the longterm... that doesn't solve anything.
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5/28/2008  7:22 PM
Im not fan of gallinari either. (that sounded kinda off topic)
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5/28/2008  8:02 PM
Posted by TMS:
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Allanfan20 did we not have reason to be a little hopeful the past couple of seasons only for our hopes getting drowned miserably?

I'm skeptical and you aren't. I have more reason to be so going by history/trends with this franchise than not to be. I'm glad you find yourself to be a little more on the optimistic side and for the sake of the most favorable outcomes that you're right and I'm wrong.

I do like Walsh a lot more than D'Antonio Banderas that's for sure.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 1:04 PM]

Bottom line: if its the franchise that you are down on, and not just Isiah and company, FIND A DIFFERENT ONE!
What are you doing here?

As if there aren't plenty New Yorkers who are standing at bay with caution. There's nothing odd or abnormal about being skeptical, none whatsoever.

the only thing odd or abnormal is pretending to know for sure a prospect is gonna turn out to be crap when you have absolutely nothing to base it on but a few highlight film clips like u & the rest of your bandwagon mates are doing.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 1:59 PM]


I never said the guy was going to flop I was pointing out why did fans jump on the horse and start galloping.
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5/28/2008  8:10 PM
dude, i haven't heard u say a word to isles or BRIGGS when they claim to know this kid's gonna be a bust based on YouTube clips, but for some reason you have a real problem w/me or anyone else making vague player comparisons of the guy to other past Euro players, then call us all bandwagoners for being fooled by the Bilas hype as if you know something about this kid that we don't.

stop trying to moonwalk your way out of your own hypocrisy... none of us have an inkling whether or not this kid's gonna be great or a bust... so far the only one's making bold statements like that are the one's calling him a bust before he even plays a game in the NBA.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 5:12 PM]
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5/28/2008  8:27 PM
Posted by TMS:

dude, i haven't heard u say a word to isles or BRIGGS when they claim to know this kid's gonna be a bust based on YouTube clips, but for some reason you have a real problem w/me or anyone else making vague player comparisons of the guy to other past Euro players, then call us all bandwagoners for being fooled by the Bilas hype as if you know something about this kid that we don't.

stop trying to moonwalk your way out of your own hypocrisy... none of us have an inkling whether or not this kid's gonna be great or a bust... so far the only one's making bold statements like that are the one's calling him a bust before he even plays a game in the NBA.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-28-2008 5:12 PM]


I haven't called Isles out on DG but I did call Isles out on Gordon and I called Briggs out on 2-3 players he listed as Bust in a thread he created(I think). The difference is our fans having this inherent tendency to gravitate towards anything the organization may do.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 7:27 PM]
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5/28/2008  8:47 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Orlandocampnotes-080528


For the second straight time I have Italy's Danilo Gallinari going to the Knicks with the sixth pick in my latest mock draft. It makes a lot of sense. Gallinari's father played with new coach Mike D'Antoni. D'Antoni likes European players and knows how to use them. Gallinari's style of play is perfect for the offense D'Antoni likes to run.


But there's a hitch. A Suns source swore to me Tuesday night that when they showed D'Antoni tape of Gallinari during the year, he wasn't a fan.


"Mike said he's just not sure the kid has what it takes to make it in the NBA," the source said. "He said he'd be very nervous picking him in the mid-first round. I doubt he's become converted since he joined the Knicks."


Another source made an even more compelling argument: "Whether Mike loves him or hates him, Donnie Walsh is making this pick. He's the guy who has to take the heat and he's not going to pass that decision on to anyone else. What matters most is whether Donnie likes him."



Sounds good to me. Don't want Gallinari at all.

If Mike is nervous about this kid (and he knows him from childhood, practically family) then I think Walsh should ask his opinion, plain and simple.
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5/28/2008  8:49 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Isiah scouted him.

If we take him and he sucks, he is the fall guy.

Wait a minute! isiah scouted him? Hell no we don't take him!!! Man-O-Man! isiah still gets a chance to screw us again. JC!
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5/28/2008  8:52 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Are you kidding me? YOu think NBA scouting tapes are youtube highlight reels?

Don't be too surprised. Things like that probably do happen. I wouldn't doubt GMs actually flip a coin, when in doubt.
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5/28/2008  8:55 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I don't put any special stock into any of this so early in the game. We all know how much crap is floated leading up to the draft anyway. The player I saw looked like he had some skills to be able to play in the NBA, but really just like any college player, how do you know for sure unless you're talking about an elite talent. Besides he's high on MOST draft boards and that would mean more than just a couple of scouts and analysts believe he's a top talent prospect. Yeah a prospect, at this point and nothing more.

We need so much at this point that it's not a make or break deal IMO. Not at the 6 spot. I'm curious to see what position we end up taking. That would tell us a lot about what Waltoni would be planning for the team.

Here's a quick review of most of the picks since Walsh was in Indy.

87 - Reggie Miller #11
88 - Rik Smits #2
89 - George McCloud #7 (regarded as one of the worst drafts in history - Pervis Ellison went #1)
90 - 2nd rd only - Antonio Davis and Kenny Williams
91 - Dale Davis #13
92 - Malik Sealy #14
93 - Scott Haskin #14
94 - Eric Piatkowski #15
95 - Travis Best #23 - 2nd rd Fred Hoiberg #52
96 - Eric Dampier #10 - 2nd Rd Mark Pope #52
97 - Austin Croshere #12
98 - Al Harrington #25
99 - Vonteego Cummings #26
00 - Primoz Brezec #27
01 - 2n Rd Jamison Brewer #41
02 - Fred Jones #14
03 - 2nd Rd James Jones #49
04 - David Harrison #29
05 - Danny Granger #17
06 - Shawne Williams #17
07 - n/a

Notice that he's only had one chance to pick high, with #2. And finding Reggie at 11 isn't bad at all.
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5/28/2008  8:58 PM
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You're something else trueblue. Believe me, I was just as down on the Knicks as you were a few months ago, but we have a new coach and gm with winning experience, and you strike me as trying to find every single reason they will fail, yet they hardly did anything yet. How about, lets see who they draft first, and lets see what their first trade looks like, before you say ANYTHING.

He's only a knick "fan" because Jordan retired, I wouldn't expect anything else.

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I did not know that about trueblue.
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5/28/2008  8:59 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Allanfan20:

You're something else trueblue. Believe me, I was just as down on the Knicks as you were a few months ago, but we have a new coach and gm with winning experience, and you strike me as trying to find every single reason they will fail, yet they hardly did anything yet. How about, lets see who they draft first, and lets see what their first trade looks like, before you say ANYTHING.

I'm not someone who is going to find any little thing to skip around and be happy about.
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-28-2008 11:56 AM]


Great line.
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5/28/2008  9:00 PM
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I understand there just isn't any room left available and No I don't want to get on.


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5/28/2008  9:05 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by nixluva:


Here's a quick review of most of the picks since Walsh was in Indy.

87 - Reggie Miller #11
88 - Rik Smits #2
89 - George McCloud #7 (regarded as one of the worst drafts in history - Pervis Ellison went #1)
90 - 2nd rd only - Antonio Davis and Kenny Williams
91 - Dale Davis #13
92 - Malik Sealy #14
93 - Scott Haskin #14
94 - Eric Piatkowski #15
95 - Travis Best #23 - 2nd rd Fred Hoiberg #52
96 - Eric Dampier #10 - 2nd Rd Mark Pope #52
97 - Austin Croshere #12
98 - Al Harrington #25
99 - Vonteego Cummings #26
00 - Primoz Brezec #27
01 - 2n Rd Jamison Brewer #41
02 - Fred Jones #14
03 - 2nd Rd James Jones #49
04 - David Harrison #29
05 - Danny Granger #17
06 - Shawne Williams #17
07 - n/a


Reviewing Walsh's picks, whenever he picks hig in the draft 10 or under he seems to take a front court player the majority of the time.

That tells me if walsh and not D'antoni is calling the shots he will choose a frontcourt player like a Deandre Jordan 7ft 240 from Texas AM.

For once, you made a good point. I'd be okay with DeAndrew. He's on my top 9 list.
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5/28/2008  9:06 PM
Posted by SupremeCommander:

By the way, is it just me or do the majority of these threads read like they were marinated in a tub of asinine overnight, then posted? I know it's important to be right or something on this board but everyone's OPINION about the draft is exactly that. If going on record is THAT important to you, just say who you think is going to be good or bad and let's move on. [/armchair moderating]

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[quote]Posted by nixluva:


Reviewing Walsh's picks, whenever he picks hig in the draft 10 or under he seems to take a front court player the majority of the time.

That tells me if walsh and not D'antoni is calling the shots he will choose a frontcourt player like a Deandre Jordan 7ft 240 from Texas AM.

For once, you made a good point. I'd be okay with DeAndrew. He's on my top 9 list.

Would you take Desagana Diop at 9? I dont think I would. Taking Jordan this high is VERY risky, he has absolutely NO offensive game, but he can play defense. I seriously compare him to Desgana Diop.
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5/28/2008  9:14 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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[quote]Posted by nixluva:


Reviewing Walsh's picks, whenever he picks hig in the draft 10 or under he seems to take a front court player the majority of the time.

That tells me if walsh and not D'antoni is calling the shots he will choose a frontcourt player like a Deandre Jordan 7ft 240 from Texas AM.

For once, you made a good point. I'd be okay with DeAndrew. He's on my top 9 list.

Would you take Desagana Diop at 9? I dont think I would. Taking Jordan this high is VERY risky, he has absolutely NO offensive game, but he can play defense. I seriously compare him to Desgana Diop.

I hate to say his name again, but if we where to get LeBron, a scoring center wouldn't matter that much and defense? Hell yeah we can use it!
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5/28/2008  9:20 PM
DeAndrew is high risk, but high reward, if he works out. He's two to three years off to taking it to a whole new level. HIs potential defense is off the chart. That would be perfect to our plans.

If I had a choice in picking, I'd still go for Koufos as my top. This is a guy that has all the tools and at 7', can shoot from 'anywhere'. He's a freshmen and with a couple years under his belt, he can contribute in two years also.

Although, if they picked Lopez. I still wouldn't be very dissapointed. I find myself not being disappointed with most of these top picks to tell you the truth.
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