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Posted by islesfan:

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Posted by codeunknown:

Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

yea.. lets see who they hire. It still cracks me up that guys on this board look at a Suns team playing in the monster west with 3 guards and SF/PF playing the 4/5 win 60+ games and have good playoff runs and cant give that coach credit for putting a system in place that made them an elite team over the last 4 years.

Was that SF/PF combination a run of the mill tandem or were they super athletic all star forwards?

did Marion play on a winning team before DAntoni? Maybe that one year w/ Marbury and co lost to the Spurs in the first round? other from that Marion was a "stat" guy as you would call him. When Mike D got there they started winning. Did Nash win MVPs with Dallas? Funny how his gimmicky system produced career years from the players that play in it.. oh, and wins too. Not to mention guys like Grant Hill willing to play for him for nothing. Seems people hold him in high regard (except you)

Did Mike D'Antonio ever win anything before he had Steve Nash as his PG?

Did Phil Jackson win anything without Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Pippen?

Did Pat Riley win anything without Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Wade, Shaq?

I know deep down you want the Knicks to fail so you could say I told you so to everyone on the board. You claim to fame is your negativity and that is your right. Good luck with hating everything the Knicks do that isn't what you want them to do.

That's not fair. I was behind the hiring of Donnie Walsh, before he showed that he was nothing but a puppet.

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Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.

Having no one above 6-8 in the starting lineup is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

How tall is Amare?

Or maybe you're talking about the 2006 playoffs where the Suns couldn't get past the immortal DeSagana Diop and his Dallas Mavericks.

Didn't the immortal Diop get past the legendary Spurs that year? Those bastards with their perfect players.

So I guess being above 6-8 really had nothing to do with it.

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Posted by JohnWallace44:


D’Antoni began his career as head coach for his most loyal club, Milan: here he remained for four seasons, from 1990 to 1994, leading the club to the 1993 Korac Cup. He was then chosen to coach Pallacanestro Treviso (Benetton), another major Italian basketball club. During his tenure (1994–1997), the team captured the Cup of Europe and Coppa Italia (in 1995) and won the domestic league title in 1996-97. Coach D’Antoni's Italian teams went to the playoffs each season, and he was twice voted the league’s Coach of the Year.

LMAO You were talking about the Italian league playoffs?!?

Still waiting for the evidence that he made the playoffs with Marbury. Even though Marbury was traded a few weeks after D'Antoni became head coach, in a season that they went 29-53. Must have been a down year in the western conference for a team to make the playoffs with 29 wins and the 2nd to worst record in the conference.

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Posted by islesfan:

That's not true. A few transactions have already been made.

Isiah was retained.

Donnie Walsh, who has never put together run and gun teams, hires a coach who epitomizes the run and gun philosophy but has never come close to winning a championship with it, even with the perfect personnel.

Whoever coaches Phoenix next year better blow out the Lakers and Spurs next year en route to a 16-0 playoff run because they have the perfect personel.

Sorry for the confusion, but I meant the perfect personnel for D'Antonio's system.

Shaq is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

Nah, I wouldn't really use this season as the example. Just the seasons where they were supposed to be championship contenders but proved to be pretenders.

Having no one above 6-8 in the starting lineup is perfect for the D'Antoni system?

How tall is Amare?

Or maybe you're talking about the 2006 playoffs where the Suns couldn't get past the immortal DeSagana Diop and his Dallas Mavericks.

Didn't the immortal Diop get past the legendary Spurs that year? Those bastards with their perfect players.

So I guess being above 6-8 really had nothing to do with it.

That's the conclusion you reached?

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Posted by JohnWallace44:


D’Antoni began his career as head coach for his most loyal club, Milan: here he remained for four seasons, from 1990 to 1994, leading the club to the 1993 Korac Cup. He was then chosen to coach Pallacanestro Treviso (Benetton), another major Italian basketball club. During his tenure (1994–1997), the team captured the Cup of Europe and Coppa Italia (in 1995) and won the domestic league title in 1996-97. Coach D’Antoni's Italian teams went to the playoffs each season, and he was twice voted the league’s Coach of the Year.

LMAO You were talking about the Italian league playoffs?!?

Still waiting for the evidence that he made the playoffs with Marbury. Even though Marbury was traded a few weeks after D'Antoni became head coach, in a season that they went 29-53. Must have been a down year in the western conference for a team to make the playoffs with 29 wins and the 2nd to worst record in the conference.

Mike D'Antoni didn't get to coach NBA players against Italian teams. He coached one group of scrubs against another. And he came out on top. I'd say its champagne worthy.

Wow, so you were talking about the Italian League playoffs.

Posted by islesfan:


How about you tell me what you meant. First it's not true that they didn't have anybody above 6-8 in their starting lineup. Secondly, when you bring up lack of height, it usually means some kind of unfair advantage for the opposing teams 4-5 positions. Nowitzki is always going to be a mismatch for the other team but the Suns had 6-10 Tim Thomas starting at SF and an athletic freak in Marion to guard him. So you must have been talking about the immortal Diop. I'm pretty sure that no team that Diop has started for has ever been accused of having an unfair advantage at his position.

But if I'm not hearing you correctly, please clarify and help me understand you better.

Posted by JohnWallace44:

Isles, for as long as I've posted on this board, all you've contributed is endless crying about this team so I should expect nothing less.

You're right bro, I was wrong about that Marbs year with D'Antoni.

Can you hear me clapping for you?

Here's what matters; D'Antoni over the course of his years in Italy and the NBA has missed the playoffs twice. Once in the Marbs trade year, and once in the strike year.

Isles, who is the coach you wanted? Why don't you tell everyone what your grand plan was for this team?

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Posted by JohnWallace44:


D’Antoni began his career as head coach for his most loyal club, Milan: here he remained for four seasons, from 1990 to 1994, leading the club to the 1993 Korac Cup. He was then chosen to coach Pallacanestro Treviso (Benetton), another major Italian basketball club. During his tenure (1994–1997), the team captured the Cup of Europe and Coppa Italia (in 1995) and won the domestic league title in 1996-97. Coach D’Antoni's Italian teams went to the playoffs each season, and he was twice voted the league’s Coach of the Year.

LMAO You were talking about the Italian league playoffs?!?

Still waiting for the evidence that he made the playoffs with Marbury. Even though Marbury was traded a few weeks after D'Antoni became head coach, in a season that they went 29-53. Must have been a down year in the western conference for a team to make the playoffs with 29 wins and the 2nd to worst record in the conference.

Mike D'Antoni didn't get to coach NBA players against Italian teams. He coached one group of scrubs against another. And he came out on top. I'd say its champagne worthy.

Wow, so you were talking about the Italian League playoffs.

So you agree, champagne worthy, right?

Isles, who is the coach you wanted? Why don't you tell everyone what your grand plan was for this team?

Sure.

I thought they should have given Mark Jackson a shot with no other better options available. That doesn't mean that I thought he was a perfect choice, but the Knicks would have had a few years to see what kind of coach Jackson could be and they would have maximized their draft choice for next year, as they would surely have gone through some growing pains as Walsh rebuilt the team. In the meantime, Walsh would be able to build the teams the way that he's always built them, from the inside out and with an emphasis on defense.

Instead, Walsh is looking for "D'Antonio type players", D'Antonio's "system" hides enough flaws to hurt our draft position next year and if this doesn't work out, it means another roster overhaul to get rid of the one dimensional "D'Antoni type players".

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Don't know, the Italian League playoffs don't matter to me.

Is this because coaching is a uniquely American skill? You wouldn't be able to tell from watching the NBA.