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5/22/2008  4:35 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by majorleads:
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I would trade Marbury and some fluff for Red's two year contract and plug in Nate or Crawford as our starting PG (if we don't make a run at TJ Ford for expendable pieces).

Redd has 3 years left and Nate/Crawful are not starting caliber point guards. That would be a HORRIBLE backcourt.
The article clearly says that he only has two years of salary left.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=2

Bucks feeling out interest in Redd
Posted: Wednesday May 21, 2008 08:20AM ET

In the last week, several officials from both the Eastern and Western Conferences acknowledged the Bucks have been gauging the interest other teams may have in some of their players. The most notable one is All-Star shooting guard Michael Redd. Redd is unquestionably the Bucks??? best player, the one who would bring back the most in a trade. However, while Redd is one of the most prolific scorers in the league, some teams are reluctant to take on his sizable contract. Redd will make $15.78 million and $17.04M over the next two years, respectively.

The Journal Times
He has a player option in the third year. The article just states what his contract will be for the next 2 years; it doesn't clearly state that his contract ends after the 2nd year. It doesn't even state anything after the 2nd year. My guess is that the author either doesn't know what a player option is or knows but doesn't want to address the topic.
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5/22/2008  5:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by colorfl1:

I would trade Marbury and some fluff for Red's two year contract and plug in Nate or Crawford as our starting PG (if we don't make a run at TJ Ford for expendable pieces).

Redd has 3 years left and Nate/Crawful are not starting caliber point guards. That would be a HORRIBLE backcourt.
The article clearly says that he only has two years of salary left.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=2

Bucks feeling out interest in Redd
Posted: Wednesday May 21, 2008 08:20AM ET

In the last week, several officials from both the Eastern and Western Conferences acknowledged the Bucks have been gauging the interest other teams may have in some of their players. The most notable one is All-Star shooting guard Michael Redd. Redd is unquestionably the Bucks??? best player, the one who would bring back the most in a trade. However, while Redd is one of the most prolific scorers in the league, some teams are reluctant to take on his sizable contract. Redd will make $15.78 million and $17.04M over the next two years, respectively.

The Journal Times
He has a player option in the third year. The article just states what his contract will be for the next 2 years; it doesn't clearly state that his contract ends after the 2nd year. It doesn't even state anything after the 2nd year. My guess is that the author either doesn't know what a player option is or knows but doesn't want to address the topic.

The author is clearly stupid to not include the player option, what does he think Michael Redd is going to give up 18 million dollars in year 3? By that time, Redd would be lucky to get half of that.
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5/22/2008  5:11 PM
unless we're getting rid of either Zach or both Curry & Jamal in the deal, i say take a pass... we don't need another crappy contract on our books.
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5/22/2008  7:05 PM
I actually am fond of Michael Redd and think he's a nice player. However, not for the money he's making, not for this team. If our goal is to peak at .500, okay, some combination of Redd, Barbosa, Diaw, etc etc... might get you there. However, if your goal is to actually build a solid core, this is a flawed strategy. Redd is definitely not a #1 on a good team.
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5/22/2008  7:12 PM
also.. where did I say thats all we do? This is just one of many ways to upgrade our roster.

We need to draft well, we need to sign good young players, and we need to use our expiring contracts to bring in excellent players that other teams cant afford. Redd falls into that last catagory.
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5/22/2008  7:17 PM
Posted by fishmike:

also.. where did I say thats all we do? This is just one of many ways to upgrade our roster.

We need to draft well, we need to sign good young players, and we need to use our expiring contracts to bring in excellent players that other teams cant afford. Redd falls into that last catagory.

Understood. Problem is that this strategy has no examples of actually working in the NBA. Teams being patient has worked, though. Unless we're expecting another Garnett type of trade to happen with LeBron, this doesn't give us the right pieces. They become extremely difficult to acquire. The problem with the NBA is a mistake takes 6 years to recover from. We can't afford to make more mistakes. By all means, if you add a tier 1 star, then I'm all for as many Michael Redd trades as you want. Until that point, we have to wait.
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5/22/2008  7:28 PM
Wait for what, a god sent super star. The mike redd trade doesnt seem all that ridiculous seeing that defense is his only negative. Who on the current knicks or suns squad is a top tier defender. When your goal is to shoot 7 secs or less, how much defense do you expect.

It's opening up the floor for every one. If he only has 3 years left, in 2011 he's gone or traded.

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5/22/2008  7:42 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

also.. where did I say thats all we do? This is just one of many ways to upgrade our roster.

We need to draft well, we need to sign good young players, and we need to use our expiring contracts to bring in excellent players that other teams cant afford. Redd falls into that last catagory.

Understood. Problem is that this strategy has no examples of actually working in the NBA. Teams being patient has worked, though. Unless we're expecting another Garnett type of trade to happen with LeBron, this doesn't give us the right pieces. They become extremely difficult to acquire. The problem with the NBA is a mistake takes 6 years to recover from. We can't afford to make more mistakes. By all means, if you add a tier 1 star, then I'm all for as many Michael Redd trades as you want. Until that point, we have to wait.
really? How was Detroit built?
Billups: MLE signing
Prince: late draft pick
Big Ben: trade (Grant Hill)
Rip Hamilton: trade (Stackhouse?)
Sheed: expiring contract

All I am saying is you cant plan to get a tier 1 star. You just cant. Look at how many high picks and trades and cap space Chi has had. Redd is NOT Zach, or even Allan Houston (although he is as good a player). His contract is big.. yes, but he's a good player that represents major needs on our team.

These are all just thoughts.. I will back whatever DW does. Willing to be patient with him at the helm and wait and see on any of his trades


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5/22/2008  8:18 PM
How come all you Redd nut riders refuse to answer this question...if Redd is so good then why would Milwaukee want to dump him for practically nothing?


And I'm not sure whats the point in acquiring the soon to be 29 year old Redd for next season? Are we competing for a championship?
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5/22/2008  8:53 PM
Posted by majorleads:

How come all you Redd nut riders refuse to answer this question...if Redd is so good then why would Milwaukee want to dump him for practically nothing?


And I'm not sure whats the point in acquiring the soon to be 29 year old Redd for next season? Are we competing for a championship?
saving money. I have said that many times... Same reason GS dumped Richardson for nothing. Same reason Sheed was traded for nothing. I believe Jamison was traded for an expiring contract.

Major.. who do you want to add? Spare me the young hardworking players crap. Give me some names. Who are they? Ariza? Duhon? Are you another Matt Carrol nut rider? I mean if you want scrubs might as just go to battle with the ones we got :)

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5/22/2008  9:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by majorleads:

How come all you Redd nut riders refuse to answer this question...if Redd is so good then why would Milwaukee want to dump him for practically nothing?


And I'm not sure whats the point in acquiring the soon to be 29 year old Redd for next season? Are we competing for a championship?
saving money. I have said that many times... Same reason GS dumped Richardson for nothing. Same reason Sheed was traded for nothing. I believe Jamison was traded for an expiring contract.

Major.. who do you want to add? Spare me the young hardworking players crap. Give me some names. Who are they? Ariza? Duhon? Are you another Matt Carrol nut rider? I mean if you want scrubs might as just go to battle with the ones we got :)

Posted by fishmike:


When the Knicks start winning games our payroll wont matter. We can have an 80mm payroll of highly paid role guys.. we dont need to draft them. Michael Redd, Desmond Mason, Diaw, Ben Wallace, Reggie Evans, Chris Duhon... there are a slew of MLE or overpriced guys we can add with MLE money or expiring contracts. We we need is the player that makes them better.

This post that you made in another topic makes me think you have no idea how to build a winning basketball team. If all you want to do is trade expiring deals for "talent" and not actually build a team, then why not just keep Isiah Thomas here? Were you even against Isiah? Because there was no reason to be with these types of proposals. It's what he went about doing.
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5/22/2008  9:43 PM
Posted by colorfl1:
Posted by majorleads:
Posted by colorfl1:

I would trade Marbury and some fluff for Red's two year contract and plug in Nate or Crawford as our starting PG (if we don't make a run at TJ Ford for expendable pieces).

Redd has 3 years left and Nate/Crawful are not starting caliber point guards. That would be a HORRIBLE backcourt.
The article clearly says that he only has two years of salary left.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba?page=2

Bucks feeling out interest in Redd
Posted: Wednesday May 21, 2008 08:20AM ET

In the last week, several officials from both the Eastern and Western Conferences acknowledged the Bucks have been gauging the interest other teams may have in some of their players. The most notable one is All-Star shooting guard Michael Redd. Redd is unquestionably the Bucks??? best player, the one who would bring back the most in a trade. However, while Redd is one of the most prolific scorers in the league, some teams are reluctant to take on his sizable contract. Redd will make $15.78 million and $17.04M over the next two years, respectively.

The Journal Times

Actually, he has three' years left, with the third being a players option. He'll be up for 18 million in 2010-11.
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5/23/2008  12:43 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by fishmike:

also.. where did I say thats all we do? This is just one of many ways to upgrade our roster.

We need to draft well, we need to sign good young players, and we need to use our expiring contracts to bring in excellent players that other teams cant afford. Redd falls into that last catagory.

Understood. Problem is that this strategy has no examples of actually working in the NBA. Teams being patient has worked, though. Unless we're expecting another Garnett type of trade to happen with LeBron, this doesn't give us the right pieces. They become extremely difficult to acquire. The problem with the NBA is a mistake takes 6 years to recover from. We can't afford to make more mistakes. By all means, if you add a tier 1 star, then I'm all for as many Michael Redd trades as you want. Until that point, we have to wait.
really? How was Detroit built?
Billups: MLE signing
Prince: late draft pick
Big Ben: trade (Grant Hill)
Rip Hamilton: trade (Stackhouse?)
Sheed: expiring contract

Detroit was extremely cap conscious. They got to cap flexibility while attaining young talent. In our situation, there's no way Dumars would trade for Michael Redd. Sorry, there's no logic to adding a specialist to a 23 win team. The model you've presented recently with these sorts of trades doesn't resemble what Detroit has done, IMHO.
Posted by fishmike:

All I am saying is you cant plan to get a tier 1 star. You just cant. Look at how many high picks and trades and cap space Chi has had. Redd is NOT Zach, or even Allan Houston (although he is as good a player). His contract is big.. yes, but he's a good player that represents major needs on our team.

These are all just thoughts.. I will back whatever DW does. Willing to be patient with him at the helm and wait and see on any of his trades

Detroit is a weird situation. It may be the one time in NBA history a team won the championship without having one of the top 5 players in the league. That being said, they had five guys who were in the top 50, and you could argue that Billups or Big Ben may have been in the top 10-15 when they won the championship. Still, I go for probabilities, not lightning in a bottle.

My view is that, okay, say we get Redd. That takes us from a group of marginal starters to one solid starter, and a group of marginal starters. Are we that much further? Unless you think we're winning with Eddy, Zach, Lee, Balkman, Chandler, Redd, Crawford, Nate and the #6 pick in a crappy draft. I sure don't. I simply think timing has to play a bigger part in making decisions. Redd is a great acquisition at the right time and on the right team. The Knicks are currently neither of those.
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5/23/2008  1:42 AM
I think Isiah stole Fish's laptop.
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5/23/2008  7:45 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
This post that you made in another topic makes me think you have no idea how to build a winning basketball team. If all you want to do is trade expiring deals for "talent" and not actually build a team, then why not just keep Isiah Thomas here? Were you even against Isiah? Because there was no reason to be with these types of proposals. It's what he went about doing.
actually, I have lots of ideas how build a winning basketball team, as opposed to you who just seems to say that sucks that sucks that sucks.

As for the "talent" what I am saying is there are a lot of options to upgrade our roster without giving anything up, rather just adding salary.

This was the same guy that said trading for Barbosa was a terrible idea because he has a long contract. He's 25, makes about $5mm a year and shoots better than Allan Houston.

Like I said before feel free to join the discussion any time (as Solace has). And spare me the "we need good young players for cheap" crap. Lets hear some names.

All I am talking about here is options... and I would expect any player we add expensive or cheap to fit into a team concept that Walsh and DAntoni are trying to build establish. If I thought just adding talent was good I would have liked the Zach trade.
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5/23/2008  7:59 AM
Lets not get high hopes with Lebron. When he is a free agent he is going to the Nets because the Nets have their lucky token to get him.....his name is Jay-Z.
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