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5/22/2008  12:40 AM
Posted by GKFv2:


That's great. Good to know you are not making the real decisions on the draft.

Javale McGee is not a lottery pick. He has many flaws and is a project. If you want to get another pick and draft him fine but at #6? No.

Well I disagree with this reasoning but I'm not sold on Mcgee. But with the 6th pick imo we may as well swing for the fences, because we won't have the chance to draft a sure thing with good upside anyway. Unless Mayo falls to 6 witch i highly doubt he will. I thought mcgee could realize his potential I'd have no problem taking him at 6 flaws and all. But I don't think he will. Same with Deandre Jordan. It's the only thing that makes me not want to draft them.
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5/22/2008  12:42 AM
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McGee is a bum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJilDqw8JOY

Yeah just a plethora of 7 footers with these skills.
would you like to see a video of Ared Effries that if you never saw him play would think he's a top player in the NBA??

Jared Jefferies was nothing like this player.. Jefferies is a 6-11 SF who cant shoot.

Have you seen mcgee play full games?

I only watched him play half of one game--but that was all I needed to see.

1 half of a game? that's it? my god man you could have at least stayed to watch the other half.
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5/22/2008  12:50 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
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Posted by blueNorange:
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McGee is a bum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJilDqw8JOY

Yeah just a plethora of 7 footers with these skills.
would you like to see a video of Ared Effries that if you never saw him play would think he's a top player in the NBA??

Jared Jefferies was nothing like this player.. Jefferies is a 6-11 SF who cant shoot.

Have you seen mcgee play full games?

I only watched him play half of one game--but that was all I needed to see.

That's great. Good to know you are not making the real decisions on the draft.

--->Javale McGee is not a lottery pick. He has many flaws and is a project. If you want to get another pick and draft him fine but at #6? No.

And you have seen him play how many times to come to this conclusion?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what this kid has when watching him live. He is impressively long and smooth with a very nice touch. How many times do you need to see a player with that type of length with touch obvious athletic ability and ballhandling skills for a big? Small players yes big players NO--why there are only a few of them on the Earth.

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5/22/2008  1:06 AM
What about a Anthony Randolph & Kosta Koufos front court........
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5/22/2008  1:33 AM
I've been adamant all year saying Westbrook = DWade in 3 years. Given our position in the draft, you can't let him go.

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5/22/2008  1:54 AM
I definitely agree with Briggs earlier post in this this thread about Westbrooks defense, he played some spectacular defense in the NCAA tournament, he's a real ballhawk out on the perimeter. Add that and the fact that he can play various speeds offensively - his best being fast paced and you might have the guy who D'Antoni wants to pick.

I wouldn't mind Westbrook at all, I just really want to come away with a PG and and Anthony Randolph, if we can somehow do that I'd be ecstatic. If that means trading Lee for a pick in the lotto, then I guess thats what has to be done.
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5/22/2008  2:04 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I definitely agree with Briggs earlier post in this this thread about Westbrooks defense, he played some spectacular defense in the NCAA tournament, he's a real ballhawk out on the perimeter. Add that and the fact that he can play various speeds offensively - his best being fast paced and you might have the guy who D'Antoni wants to pick.

I wouldn't mind Westbrook at all, I just really want to come away with a PG and and Anthony Randolph, if we can somehow do that I'd be ecstatic. If that means trading Lee for a pick in the lotto, then I guess thats what has to be done.

I'll really go out on a limb and say he'll be the best offensive guard in the draft in 3 years.
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5/22/2008  2:10 AM
With the exception of maybe Mayo.
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5/22/2008  2:14 AM
I might go out on that limb with you Code.. I don't think he'll be better than Rose, but hey ya never know.

If Westbrook somehow ends up in D'Antoni's system, he's going to put up some fantastic numbers, that's for sure.
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5/22/2008  2:19 AM
McGee=James White..... Skid Row Busted!!!

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5/22/2008  7:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Taylor-made C for uptempo system. Very fast up and down the court for a C

7 Feet tall with a 7-6 wingspan +athletic with strong legs solid body
and huge hands

Ballhandling Skills Dribble drive ability up to full court

Great Finisher

Great Agility

Shot Blocker

Good Post Moves Knows how to seal very well and finishes long at the basket--very long with pro tutor can be great post player

Good fundamental stroke all the way out to the 3 point line

Hard worker with Good Motor

Solid rebounder with potential to be an awesome one

Only has been playing basketball for 5 years--just touching the surface of what he can do he has all the skills he's got a great body for uptempo and rare speed for a 7 footer

This is a good overall evaluation. A few minor points. I don't think his rebounding is impressive for a college player. His foul shooting is pretty bad. He does have size and athleticism and some skill. I do think he'll be there when we pick and wouldn't be a bad choice.
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5/22/2008  9:23 AM
I like the idea of going after a player like Westbrook who can fulfill our need for a player who fits D'Antoni's system and also brings great D. It solves a huge problem for us on the perimeter. I don't know if Waltoni has him on their radar, but you would have to think they do. I doubt that Walsh would abandon his desire for two way players just cuz he hired D'Antoni.

I love Lee, but if he can bring us a pick which could help us to more quickly reshape this team, you have to do it. I happen to think Lee would do well in D'Antoni's system, but we need so much and he's one of our few chips that could get that done. A guard and big who fit the D'Antoni mold is the right move to make. I have no idea about McGee, but I can see taking a guy like him or Randolph.
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5/22/2008  10:11 AM
Briggs I have two of my guys that have played against your guy and both socred at will against him. The first is Hansbrough and that is understandable. The other is a 6-7 inside player from SIU who doesnt have alot of offensive skills. I want to trade the pick and get rid of Zach and you want to take a risk on two players which there is no way they will help any team for a couple of years. Westbrook I really like but if you keep the pick trade down. I think you have to get rid of the guys on the team and make a winning culture because bringing 19 year old kids in this locker room is detrimental to anyones development
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5/22/2008  10:18 AM
Javale McGee is not a lottery pick. He has many flaws and is a project. If you want to get another pick and draft him fine but at #6? No.

+1

Worthy of a gamble? Yes, if you're just outside of the lottery. Do I prefer him over DeAndre? Hell yes.
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5/22/2008  10:36 AM
Posted by knicksbabyyeah:
Javale McGee is not a lottery pick. He has many flaws and is a project. If you want to get another pick and draft him fine but at #6? No.

+1

Worthy of a gamble? Yes, if you're just outside of the lottery. Do I prefer him over DeAndre? Hell yes.



My personal opinion--he will end up way better than most players in this draft--there is no doubt about it and we will look back again at missing an elite level post player. That being said I have to be realistic---Phoenix did not play a 7 footer at C other than 10-15 minutes from Hunter--although Hunter became a really good player for Pheonix--this is why I like Mcgee---he is a fast athletic C who can move and finish easy--but if they do not go that route the only two players I would be interested in are Westbrook or Randolph. The Italian kid is nothing more than a Boston Nachbar clone--I urge anyone to watch tape on him--hes average at best up and down with what looks like poor lateral quickness . The one thing we KNOW is that Russell Westbrook can get up and down the floor as fast or faster than anyone in the draft--gets to the basket at will can play both PG and SG passes well handles well plays both ways with extremely high intensity and is probably the best athlete in the draft along with Rose or Giddens.
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5/22/2008  10:48 AM
Posted by King1:

Briggs I have two of my guys that have played against your guy and both socred at will against him. The first is Hansbrough and that is understandable. The other is a 6-7 inside player from SIU who doesnt have alot of offensive skills. I want to trade the pick and get rid of Zach and you want to take a risk on two players which there is no way they will help any team for a couple of years. Westbrook I really like but if you keep the pick trade down. I think you have to get rid of the guys on the team and make a winning culture because bringing 19 year old kids in this locker room is detrimental to anyones development

King1 --Honestly when you are 7-1 with a 7-6 wingspan with the types of skills he has the only thing stopping you from being a great player would be yourself. He *already* has all of the tools. He hasnt played anywhere near the volume of basketball as a Tyler Hansboruogh---he's only been playing basketball for 5 years. The bottom line is he will be able to play above other people sheads and the fact that he can handle and run with a nic etouch just tells me that ONCE they teach him to stay within 12 feet continue to learn how to seal and extend to the basket on the post--continues getting stronger--it really is all up to him. If he wants to be an NBA all star--he just needs to put in the work--what he has you can teach. Now does he have it mentally like a Bynum--is he mentally tough and driven--that is the key.
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5/22/2008  11:01 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I like the idea of going after a player like Westbrook who can fulfill our need for a player who fits D'Antoni's system and also brings great D. It solves a huge problem for us on the perimeter. I don't know if Waltoni has him on their radar, but you would have to think they do. I doubt that Walsh would abandon his desire for two way players just cuz he hired D'Antoni.

I love Lee, but if he can bring us a pick which could help us to more quickly reshape this team, you have to do it. I happen to think Lee would do well in D'Antoni's system, but we need so much and he's one of our few chips that could get that done. A guard and big who fit the D'Antoni mold is the right move to make. I have no idea about McGee, but I can see taking a guy like him or Randolph.


Just to show how fast Westbrook is--look at that tape--he steals the ball deep in the backcourt from a standstill position and is able to move all the way upcourt in LESS than 4 seconds with the ball and finish over all the defenders with explosion.
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5/22/2008  12:28 PM
Briggs this isnt time for the Knicks to try and hit a home run because home run hitters strike out a lot. I like players not great workout guys. I remember in the football draft years ago a "workout warrior named Mike Mamula was drafted by the Eagles. Great speciman bad football player. Every year great athletes get drafted like Swift and Thomas or 7-0 they oozing with potential. All potential means is they havent accomplished **** yet. We need guards right now instead of bigs unless they are going to trade them all away.
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5/22/2008  12:37 PM
Posted by King1:

Briggs this isnt time for the Knicks to try and hit a home run because home run hitters strike out a lot. I like players not great workout guys. I remember in the football draft years ago a "workout warrior named Mike Mamula was drafted by the Eagles. Great speciman bad football player. Every year great athletes get drafted like Swift and Thomas or 7-0 they oozing with potential. All potential means is they havent accomplished **** yet. We need guards right now instead of bigs unless they are going to trade them all away.

I agree with you King. I'm not a big fan of workout warriors, this type of thing happens a ton in the NFL, where the combine is held in more regard than what you actually do on the field in college, which I think is terribly stupid. I think the NBA pre-draft workouts are really starting to border on that. Give me a guy with some definitive skills and played well in college over some guy who just works out well because he's athletic.

With that said my final order of draft preference (assuming Bayless is gone, if not he's my pick)

1. Randolph
2. Westbrook
3. Gallinari
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5/22/2008  1:13 PM
Let me remember a couple of 7-0 footers that were oozing with potential that have been drafted in the last couple of years. Obryant was a young guy that hasnt played much, and then you had the 7-8 wingspan and physically imposing Sene that was drafted by Seattle. Big men trick all the coaches.
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