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oohah
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5/21/2008  7:09 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Did someone steel your computer, Isles? You usually make very solid arguments. Now you're just making blank statements.

Surely you jest. Incessantly calling people morons and making a knee-jerk negative comment to anything is not and has never been a solid argument.

It is simple(ton) ass-holery.

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[Edited by - oohah on 21-05-2008 07:10 AM]
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5/21/2008  7:24 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Did someone steel your computer, Isles? You usually make very solid arguments. Now you're just making blank statements.

Surely you jest. Incessantly calling people morons and making a knee-jerk negative comment to anything is not and has never been a solid argument.

It is simple(ton) ass-holery.

oohah





[Edited by - oohah on 21-05-2008 07:10 AM]

I didn't call Isles any names, and I actually think he's very smart. He just disappointed me here because it's a discussion forum, not a blank statement forum. Several people replied to him because they wanted to get a discussion going. He usually gives us a good discussion but not this time I guess.
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5/21/2008  7:32 AM
I didn't call Isles any names, and I actually think he's very smart. He just disappointed me here because it's a discussion forum, not a blank statement forum. Several people replied to him because they wanted to get a discussion going. He usually gives us a good discussion but not this time I guess.

I did not say you called him(?) names. I pointed out that you must be joking because he rarely posts anything that can be described as a "solid argument". As a matter of fact, "blank statements" is a good description of his(?) entire UK career. That is why I wrote: "Surely you jest".

As I explained before, constantly calling people Morons, etc. is not a solid argument, and being negative about everything, no matter what it is, is not a solid argument either. It is simple(ton) ass-holery.

"Good discussion" from whatshisname!...that was a good one Bon!

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5/21/2008  7:58 AM
chad's mocks are never right. i feel much better that he thinks we'll take the Italian. it means we won't.
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5/21/2008  8:16 AM
how about knicks taking the draft sleeper Russell Westbrook from UCLA
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5/21/2008  8:37 AM
It's very difficult to predict what Waltoni will do. They could take so many routes to rebuilding this team. Since we got shafted on the lottery you can figure out that we're not likely to be getting a franchise type, so they have to look at the overall gameplan. DG would seem to fit offensively, which I thought we all agreed would be the general tilt of the team anyway. All this talk about defensive deficiency is off base for the reality of where this team is headed.

I got bashed last year for tqalking about offense all the time, but I was being realistic about the teams actual abilities. We don't now nor are we likely in the near futre to have a defensively strong team, so let's be real and stop dreaming of a return to the 90's knicks defensive squads. We all miss that, but it's not in the cards. Isiah built a team which was offensive but not well balanced and hopefully Waltoni will get it right and the team will be strong offensively and play just enough D to win games like PHX. That's reality!

DG like AB has skills which would seem to fit perfectly into D'Antoni's system, so he's a good guess for us at the 6 spot.
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5/21/2008  8:57 AM
Posted by oohah:
I didn't call Isles any names, and I actually think he's very smart. He just disappointed me here because it's a discussion forum, not a blank statement forum. Several people replied to him because they wanted to get a discussion going. He usually gives us a good discussion but not this time I guess.

I did not say you called him(?) names. I pointed out that you must be joking because he rarely posts anything that can be described as a "solid argument". As a matter of fact, "blank statements" is a good description of his(?) entire UK career. That is why I wrote: "Surely you jest".

As I explained before, constantly calling people Morons, etc. is not a solid argument, and being negative about everything, no matter what it is, is not a solid argument either. It is simple(ton) ass-holery.

"Good discussion" from whatshisname!...that was a good one Bon!

oohah


Oh, I thought you were lashing out against me in your previous message. I totally misunderstood!
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5/21/2008  9:30 AM
I don't know about all of this about bringing in a Euro player or not' bringing in one, but realistically, we haven't faired any better with American players either. I think that it is about time that we tried other kinds of people and mixes. I been for that since day one.

Too much of the same ol' is like all of your eggs in one basket. Not a good plan and we have the last three years to show that it didn't work.

On the subject of a D'Antoni running team' can you imagine a LeBron with that kind of team? I sure can! I think his points and assists would increase greatly.
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5/21/2008  9:44 AM
I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.
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5/21/2008  11:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:
I didn't call Isles any names, and I actually think he's very smart. He just disappointed me here because it's a discussion forum, not a blank statement forum. Several people replied to him because they wanted to get a discussion going. He usually gives us a good discussion but not this time I guess.

I did not say you called him(?) names. I pointed out that you must be joking because he rarely posts anything that can be described as a "solid argument". As a matter of fact, "blank statements" is a good description of his(?) entire UK career. That is why I wrote: "Surely you jest".

As I explained before, constantly calling people Morons, etc. is not a solid argument, and being negative about everything, no matter what it is, is not a solid argument either. It is simple(ton) ass-holery.

"Good discussion" from whatshisname!...that was a good one Bon!

oohah
Oh, I thought you were lashing out against me in your previous message. I totally misunderstood!

No Bonn, it just lashes out at me. It's still upset that I made fun of it's boy toy Frye.

Just ignore it and it will just crawl back under the rock in it's mother's basement.
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5/21/2008  1:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.
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5/21/2008  1:31 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.
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5/21/2008  1:34 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.


Well doesn't Nix have the family blood line running through him from the person who's scouting DG?
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5/21/2008  1:37 PM
I have no idea about Gallinari. None whatsoever. My head says he's going to be a bust, but part of me is intrigued. From what I've READ he has a great shot but prefers to play with his back to the basket. This intrigues the hell out of me... I've never seen him play so I can't really comment on what I think, but I would rather take a flyer on a tall sharp-shooter with a back to the basket game than draft a low percentage chucking combo guard like Eric Gordon.
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5/21/2008  1:39 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.


Well doesn't Nix have the family blood line running through him from the person who's scouting DG?

I think it has more to do with my having to have seen him in person in order to have an opinion about him, unlike everyone else who can form opinions about him by using what's available to them on this side of the Atlantic.
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5/21/2008  1:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.

there is no double standard... he based his commentary on scouting reports he's read & i think from those same scouting reports it SOUNDS as if this kid COULD BE a good match for D'Antoni's system... i asked u for some clarification on your commentary & the best you could come up with is a "trust me, i know".
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5/21/2008  1:49 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.

there is no double standard... he based his commentary on scouting reports he's read & i think from those same scouting reports it SOUNDS as if this kid COULD BE a good match for D'Antoni's system... i asked u for some clarification on your commentary & the best you could come up with is a "trust me, i know".

And what exactly do you think I based my opinion on?!? Tea leaves?

You made it seem like if I haven't seen him play live then I have no right to offer an opinion. So I ask again, why the double standard? Why don't you use that qualification for others when they dare offer an opinion on Gallinari?
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5/21/2008  1:50 PM
Posted by islesfan:


And what exactly do you think I based my opinion on?!? Tea leaves?

You made it seem like if I haven't seen him play live then I have no right to offer an opinion. So I ask again, why the double standard? Why don't you use that qualification for others when they dare offer an opinion on Gallinari?

Isles, if Gallinari was Ginobbli coming over here, you still wouldn't like him for the lone reason the Knicks drafted him.
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5/21/2008  1:51 PM
Hey isles, how many games did you see and what was the level of competition? I'm curious because I think you're the only one I've sene on the board that has actually seen him play. Like I said, I'm intrigued but it may be a case of "the grass is greener"
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5/21/2008  2:03 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nixluva:

I went and looked at a lot of Gallinari articles and watched more YouTube vids of the guy and actually he's pretty impressive in his all around offensive game. Of course they don't show him playing D and from the stats he's no David Lee on the boards, but the guy plays like a guard at 6=9. He's got some serious BB IQ. He can run and though he's not super explosive, he's a decent athelete. His handle is very good and he moves around guys on the break with ease. He can pass too, so I really think he would do well in the NBA under D'Antoni and I doubt very much that he'd be a bust.

DG is playing against good competition and he's just a kid. He's already a leader on his team and that's impressive. How much do we need smart and skilled players on this team. We all know BB IQ is one of our weaknesses. IF you could add a Carlos Arroyo or J. Calderon to the mix that would give us a couple of smart players who can move the ball well.

i agree w/u on DG... don't like the idea of adding Arroyo, i think Nate is already a better player & i don't see us getting Calderon unless we trade TOR the pick.

Wait, nixluva can come up with his scouting report on Gallinari and you'll agree with him, meaning you're drawing conclusions on him as well, but what I said about him has no basis???

Please explain the double standard.

there is no double standard... he based his commentary on scouting reports he's read & i think from those same scouting reports it SOUNDS as if this kid COULD BE a good match for D'Antoni's system... i asked u for some clarification on your commentary & the best you could come up with is a "trust me, i know".

And what exactly do you think I based my opinion on?!? Tea leaves?

You made it seem like if I haven't seen him play live then I have no right to offer an opinion. So I ask again, why the double standard? Why don't you use that qualification for others when they dare offer an opinion on Gallinari?

i didn't make it seem like anything, i told u what i based my opinion on & wanted to know what you were basing yours on... u didn't have jack to say to me, what the hell do you want me to think? you were acting like you knew for a fact that what you were saying was gospel & i should take your word for it when in reality you were just basing your comments on the same scouting reports i was... stop acting like you know for a fact that this kid will be a bust cuz you're just speculating like everyone else is.
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