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a plausible lee deal (hi-jacked from realgm)
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jaydh
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5/16/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

thats tough only because of my man-crush on camby, but it wouldnt really make sense for the organization.
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5/16/2008  3:17 PM
Posted by PresIke:

I'm surprised at either how low Lee is being rated here, how high Miller is or an unproven late 1st round pick is here.

What are you surprised about exactly Ike??? Lee's a role player and no matter who he works out with in the offseason or no matter how much he tightens up that jumpshot with Steve Nash in the gym he will always be a role player. Listen, he's a good one, one of the NBA's best role players in fact. I love his work ethic, his hustle, his high character (his little 'go Knicks' at the end of interviews is awesome and always makes me proud of him), the fact that he's proved already that he's dedicated to make himself better, all of it.... I LOVE DAVID LEE MAN!!!! We all do. If you don't like David Lee there's something wrong with you. But make no mistake, we're not talking Amare Stoudemire or David West here OK? And, he's a role player that's more or less overachieved so far and he's preparing to cash in on that soon. We all heard his agent come out with the comments a while ago - he's gonna be looking for BIG MONEY for his client. You wanna pay Lee 50-60 million dollars to stay here? That's the thing. It's not that I don't want to (God bless this kid - I want him to get a big payday), it's that we can't do it, not unless we come up with a heavy frontloaded contract that Lee agrees to which won't compromise our cap during that crucial 2010 FA period that we absolutely need to be a player in.

Regardless, I still think the right move would be to deal Lee now for an additional pick in this deep draft. You gotta give talent to get talent.... Why hang onto a role player now when (1) it's going to cost us a huge amount of money to keep him here and we don't have the cap flexibility to do so & (2) we're possibly 3 years or longer from becoming anything as a team anyway???? I went through almost every team's roster the other day and couldn't come up with a better scenario than Lee/Balkman/filler to Sacramento for Shelden Williams and pick #12. That's good value for both teams going in different directions. The Knicks can turn that pick into a real impact player possibly even a star (for this alone it's worth it), get Shelden Williams, who I'm not ready to right off like a lot of people out there, to slide right into the Lee reserve forward role and wind up opening up more playing time for Wilson Chandler by including Balkman in the deal. What's not to like here with this scenario if you're a Knick fan????
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5/16/2008  3:19 PM
Randolph/Lee for Camby I'd do. Trading Lee and not unloading salary is a joke.
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5/16/2008  3:21 PM
ok, 1 thing everybody, NOBODY will trade for zach AND lee.

that's big $$$$ tied up to zach already. and lee coming up for an extension soon.

they play the same position. only 1 gm in the world is that dumb...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2008 3:22 PM]
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5/16/2008  3:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

ok, 1 thing everybody, NOBODY will trade for zach AND lee.

that's big $$$$ tied up to zach already. and lee coming up for an extension soon.

they play the same position. only 1 gm in the world is that dumb...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 05-16-2008 3:22 PM]

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5/16/2008  3:49 PM
david lee for j.r smith straight up.
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5/16/2008  5:27 PM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by jaydh:

If you are trading Lee with an expiring contract you better get something better than that.

would u do Malik & D Lee for Camby?

I wouldn't. We are building for a club 2-3 years down the road and Camby will be on the downside by then.

Camby's contract expires in 2 years anyway... doesn't hurt our long range plans at all.

but Lee should net us a better asset or move a player with a bad contract... not just malik.

Exactly. This is a VERY sideways deal. Miller is fine, but an unproven draft pick for Lee and a big expiring contract?

No way.

Pres, i think u got my idea confused w/McK's.

bottomline to me is this, i would MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have Camby than Mike Miller, both because Camby's a better player & because he makes much more sense for our franchise in terms of what our biggest area of weakness is... we don't need another scorer on this team especially since we're more than likely to draft one in the lottery anyway... if DEN wouldn't do that trade (& i already noted they'd probably be the ones to balk at the deal) then i do nothing... you do NOT give up D Lee for Mike Miller, i'm sorry... if we want that late 1st round pick so badly, we can just trade the expiring for it & not have to give up D Lee... i'm sure there are teams out there willing to dump some salary on us & give up a pick... those are the types of deals Isiah's made since he got here... absolutely no reason to include D Lee in a deal like that.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-16-2008 2:30 PM]
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5/16/2008  5:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

D Lee is not as good a rebounder as Marcus Camby if u ask me, & he's not even close in terms of defense & shotblocking... if u really think shotblocking's overrated after witnessing all the games we've lost over the past couple years because guys were free to drive straight to the hole w/no one even putting up a hand to contest the shots, that's your call... i won't convince u otherwise if you're stuck on that notion.

i love D Lee, please don't get it twisted, but to get a guy like Camby i'd make the deal... if anything DEN would probably balk at making the trade IMO.


Why in the world would you trade 24 year old Lee for 34 year old Camby when we are 3 years at a minimum away from anything relevant? Makes 0 sense.

if i'd have made this proposal a couple months ago people woulda told me DEN would never make a trade like that... now all of a sudden the Knicks would be crazy to make the deal... gotta love the way opinions seem to deviate from 1 month to the next around here.

I think it makes perfect sense. Why would DEN trade for a PF who is going to take another year or 2? DEN is in a win-now mode with Camby, AI, Melo, KMart... they aren't gunning for 2-3 years from now.

Actually entertaining the idea of trading Melo and/or Camby wanting A.I. to play out this yr to become a FA after next season, all signs point to they are no longer in win now mode. Looks like they are in tear down and rebuild mode. Acquiring Zach in no way helps either situation win now or rebuild. TMS has a hard on for K-Mart is what it gets down to.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-16-2008 10:36 AM]

that's funny dumbass, the proposal was to trade for Camby... don't recall mentioning KMart's name in this thread.

[Edited by - TMS on 05-16-2008 2:36 PM]
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5/17/2008  1:35 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think Camby is one of the most overated players in the NBA. The guys takes nights off almost two out of three games.

Absurd. Unless you mean on two out of every three nights his offense is below star level, then I disagree. Otherwise, I have to question what you're watching. Camby is a hard working player who works his ass off on defense. He's far from an offensive stud, but he rarely takes "a night off" on defense.

That being said, I have no interest in dealing Lee for Camby, because as mentioned, Camby's age suggests that it's not a wise move.
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a plausible lee deal (hi-jacked from realgm)

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