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playa2
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5/13/2008  9:23 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Riiles did showtime then when he came to NY did smash mouth slow ball.

Nobody seems to be inclined that MikeyD can adapt one bit.

Mikey D hasn't won championships elsewhere like RILES.

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5/13/2008  9:32 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Nalod:

Riiles did showtime then when he came to NY did smash mouth slow ball.

Nobody seems to be inclined that MikeyD can adapt one bit.

Mikey D hasn't won championships elsewhere like RILES.

And Riles did not win a championship with the knicks, nor the Mourning lead Heat teams that were great in the 90's!

So when Riles got Wade and Shaq paired under the new rules and adapted AGAIN he won a single title (Toine-Jwil).

So thank you for Playa for galvanizing my point.

Those that can adapt can win!
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5/13/2008  9:48 AM
Where and when did D.antoni show where he can adapt and win ?

Riles lost in NY because of starks and ewing and Jordan.

He lost in Miami because Vandummy stole his blueprint.

I guess your forgot Riles winning in LA huh too.
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5/13/2008  10:20 AM
1. The only source is "a person close to D'Antoni."
2. When was the last time Mitch Lawrence was right about anything?

I mean, I know some people want to hate the D'Antoni appointment, but please...
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5/13/2008  10:22 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhh reaction to media speculation at it's best.
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5/13/2008  10:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Solace:
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that would be a good trade. Boris worries me a bit because last year he suddenly developed conditioning issues but Barbosa is a great player. He's lightning quick, gets lots of steals and shoots a very high %. Barbosa's career shooting %s are 47% and 40% from 3 point range. Diaw's career fg% is .496 and can play all 5 positions. They are 25 and 26.

So lets sum up... two guys 25 and 26. Both very versatile. Both coming from winning systems. Both very high BB IQ. Both shoot very high %. Both still with upside. One has a good contract, one has a questionable contract.

Sorry.. but thats exactly the kind of players the Knicks should be looking to get.

Just for the record.. Barbosa has a higher career FG% from 2 and 3 than Allan Houston.

Sorry.. thats not a role player.

Ok, but the question remains: Are you going to do serious winning with a core of Barbosa, Crawford, David Lee and a draft pick? I think that's a bit weak for a core.

I'm all for grabbing good young players, but not at the expense of bloating the cap and killing our flexibility yet again. Marbury's a better player than Barbosa and we couldn't do better than 33 wins with him in the past four seasons.
Solace.. we need to improve the team. Who says that has to be the core? This team is terrible. Before we can obsess about who the core is going to be or who we are building around we need better players plain and simple.

And as far as core players what kind do you want? How about guys that are about 25, can play multiple positions, have high BB IQ and shoot a very high %. Arent those good recs for core players?

What if Mayo, Beasley, Rose are off the board where we pick at 5 and we trade that pick, Malik and Curry to the Pacers for Jermaine Oneil.

Then your 08 starters are Crawford, Barbosa, Diaw, Lee and Oneil coached by Mike D with a bench of Nate, JJSkinny, Q and Chandler.

I think that would be a pretty good start... and notice I say start.

Look.. players from winning teams ALWAYS look better, and its always easier for winning teams to make trades. If the Knicks played .500 ball last year we would have plenty of offers for Zach, but we played .250 ball so nobody wants an overpaid player with a big contract who cant play winning ball.

This team needs sooooo much. We just need to start getting better players that can playing together and win some games.

You don't care about getting under the salary cap anymore? There are just too many great options in 2010-11 and 2011-12 for me to ignore them. I want the ability to get guys like Lebron, Wade, or Chris paul, not guys like Boris Diaw.
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5/13/2008  10:54 AM
Posted by playa2:

Where and when did D.antoni show where he can adapt and win ?

Riles lost in NY because of starks and ewing and Jordan.

He lost in Miami because Vandummy stole his blueprint.

I guess your forgot Riles winning in LA huh too.


Riles did a nice job in LA. Granted, it was already a championship team when he got it, but still credit is due.

D' only got 4 years under his belt.

Jordan, Ewing, Van dummy?

JVG outcoached him all the time!

Im not saying he was not a great coach, but im preaching that some coaches adapt to the task.
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5/13/2008  10:55 AM
Posted by fishmike:

that would be a good trade. Boris worries me a bit because last year he suddenly developed conditioning issues but Barbosa is a great player. He's lightning quick, gets lots of steals and shoots a very high %. Barbosa's career shooting %s are 47% and 40% from 3 point range. Diaw's career fg% is .496 and can play all 5 positions. They are 25 and 26.

So lets sum up... two guys 25 and 26. Both very versatile. Both coming from winning systems. Both very high BB IQ. Both shoot very high %. Both still with upside. One has a good contract, one has a questionable contract.

Sorry.. but thats exactly the kind of players the Knicks should be looking to get.

Just for the record.. Barbosa has a higher career FG% from 2 and 3 than Allan Houston.

Sorry.. thats not a role player.


Agreed. While I'm not the biggest fan of Diaw, Barbosa definitely has exceptional value in this system and still has a great deal of long range potential.
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5/13/2008  10:58 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by fishmike:

that would be a good trade. Boris worries me a bit because last year he suddenly developed conditioning issues but Barbosa is a great player. He's lightning quick, gets lots of steals and shoots a very high %. Barbosa's career shooting %s are 47% and 40% from 3 point range. Diaw's career fg% is .496 and can play all 5 positions. They are 25 and 26.

So lets sum up... two guys 25 and 26. Both very versatile. Both coming from winning systems. Both very high BB IQ. Both shoot very high %. Both still with upside. One has a good contract, one has a questionable contract.

Sorry.. but thats exactly the kind of players the Knicks should be looking to get.

Just for the record.. Barbosa has a higher career FG% from 2 and 3 than Allan Houston.

Sorry.. thats not a role player.


Agreed. While I'm not the biggest fan of Diaw, Barbosa definitely has exceptional value in this system and still has a great deal of long range potential.

barbosa + crawford on the same team is not a good thing.
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5/13/2008  11:05 AM
Article is BS..... ignore it...
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5/13/2008  11:08 AM
Posted by fishmike:

that would be a good trade. Boris worries me a bit because last year he suddenly developed conditioning issues but Barbosa is a great player. He's lightning quick, gets lots of steals and shoots a very high %. Barbosa's career shooting %s are 47% and 40% from 3 point range. Diaw's career fg% is .496 and can play all 5 positions. They are 25 and 26.

So lets sum up... two guys 25 and 26. Both very versatile. Both coming from winning systems. Both very high BB IQ. Both shoot very high %. Both still with upside. One has a good contract, one has a questionable contract.

Sorry.. but thats exactly the kind of players the Knicks should be looking to get.

Just for the record.. Barbosa has a higher career FG% from 2 and 3 than Allan Houston.

Sorry.. thats not a role player.


fish, I don't want barbosa, but I like diaw.... when he left atlanta he came to the suns and in year one averaged 13/7/6. with amare out, he looked like and Allstar.. He is not a first or second option but can put up nice numbers without having to have the offense run through him.... He is also a good defender, that is one of his strong suits when the hawks drafted him.... with that said, no need to blow our cap space in two years for these guys.. both have 4 yeas left on their deals, I just don't think walsh even entertains this..

This article is BS.. of course D'antoni likes those guys, they were his guys, so to say he would like to have them is no big suprise. Now actually blowing their future plans to get them is another thing...
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5/13/2008  11:15 AM
Do you seriously think that coach with this record and ego accepted the Knicks offer to coach the junk we have for another 2 years to wait it off for the King and others? Are you out of you mind?
Who want to waste 2 years of his prime coaching carrier dealing with Zack, Marbs, Eddy, Q, Jeffries, James alike?
Put the rebuilding to rest. Never happened in NY and will never be...
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5/13/2008  11:16 AM
Just laid back and enjoy the ride!!!
It will be more drama at MSG...
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5/13/2008  11:16 AM
I really feel like this would be a horrible trade. If D'Antoni can't get the same production he got from Diaw and Barbosa out Chandler/Balkman and Nate, why is he coming here?

hopefully it's just mitch speculating, but killing our cap for this would be awful. those guys are decent, but they seriously replicate what we already have.
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5/13/2008  11:16 AM
Posted by Cosmic:

Ahhhhhhhhhh reaction to media speculation at it's best.

Its Marbs for diaw and barbosa right? Why the heck would Kerr do that? Kerr is still trying to win......I can see that same deal going for a guy like vince Carter though.
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5/13/2008  11:17 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Do you seriously think that coach with this record and ego accepted the Knicks offer to coach the junk we have for another 2 years to wait it off for the King and others? Are you out of you mind?
Who want to waste 2 years of his prime coaching carrier dealing with Zack, Marbs, Eddy, Q, Jeffries, James alike?
Put the rebuilding to rest. Never happened in NY and will never be...

So you endorse trading for overpaid role players simply to rise back to mediocrity and then fall back to our current state after D'Antoni leaves?
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5/13/2008  11:35 AM
Posted by playa2:

Where and when did D.antoni show where he can adapt and win ?

Riles lost in NY because of starks and ewing and Jordan.

He lost in Miami because Vandummy stole his blueprint.

I guess your forgot Riles winning in LA huh too.

Actually, Knicks fans will find that out in the coming years. Longtime Suns owner Jerry Colangelo told The Post D'Antoni will adjust to whatever the roster is.

"He could play any kind of tempo," Colangelo said of D'Antoni. "He coached effectively [in Italy] with the different personnel and how the game was played there. He transformed himself in the NBA. That's a pretty good indication of his flexibility. It's wrong to say the only way he can coach is the up tempo. Maybe it's his preference and choice, but if he doesn't have the horses, he knows he can't. Maybe there'll be a combination."

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5/13/2008  11:40 AM
That sticky narrative is accurate, if incomplete. D’Antoni has not always favored small lineups, high-volume shooting and breakneck basketball. He did not coach that system during his one season with Denver (in 1999) and did not adopt it in Phoenix until he got the ideal point guard to run it, Steve Nash.

But D’Antoni prefers the quick pace, and will surely try to find the players to run it at Madison Square Garden. If the Knicks are not fit to play run-and-gun — and the current lineup is not — D’Antoni will find another way.

“He is confident in the things that he wants to accomplish,” said Maurizio Gherardini, D’Antoni’s former general manager with Benetton Treviso. “But he’s a passionate basketball student and he knows how to adjust to situations, still following his beliefs.”

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5/13/2008  11:55 AM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by arkrud:

Do you seriously think that coach with this record and ego accepted the Knicks offer to coach the junk we have for another 2 years to wait it off for the King and others? Are you out of you mind?
Who want to waste 2 years of his prime coaching carrier dealing with Zack, Marbs, Eddy, Q, Jeffries, James alike?
Put the rebuilding to rest. Never happened in NY and will never be...

So you endorse trading for overpaid role players simply to rise back to mediocrity and then fall back to our current state after D'Antoni leaves?

I am not endorsing anything. I want to get some better ball to watch at MSG.
The players we have making me to switch off the box. There is nothing to watch out there.






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5/13/2008  12:08 PM
Posted by GKFv2:
Posted by arkrud:

Do you seriously think that coach with this record and ego accepted the Knicks offer to coach the junk we have for another 2 years to wait it off for the King and others? Are you out of you mind?
Who want to waste 2 years of his prime coaching carrier dealing with Zack, Marbs, Eddy, Q, Jeffries, James alike?
Put the rebuilding to rest. Never happened in NY and will never be...

So you endorse trading for overpaid role players simply to rise back to mediocrity and then fall back to our current state after D'Antoni leaves?
Is $5mm a year for a guard shooting 47% averaging 15 points a game overpaid? What game are you watching?

Barbosa is everything you wish Crawford was.

And no Bonn.. I dont care about cap space. Your not getting Lebron or Wade here, your just not. When has a player like that left their team? Ever? The closest is Nash, and when he signed w/ Pho at the time you yourself said "Marbury is a superior player in every facet of the game."

The time for cap space was before we went out anded Curry, Zach, etc etc

We have too many guys for too long.

The best thing is to start aquiring better players, stockpiling picks and good young players, buildint a pipe line and turning around the perception of this franchise and the players on this roster by winning games.

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