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5/10/2008  2:21 PM
Did Isiah Thomas screw the Knicks by "starphucking"? Implying that the Knicks organization hasn't changed by hiring D'Antoni.

or

Did Isiah Thomas screw the Knicks by acquiring players who had

1. Low basketball IQ
2. No chemistry
3. More desire to get paid than to win
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5/10/2008  2:22 PM
Why exactly would you want someone to fit what we have with this roster? That person doesn't exist, and thinking that he does is setting that guy up for failure. This roster is a mishmash of crap and needs to be gutted first and foremost. What we needed to do was bring in a winner who has a philosophy and then build the roster around that. We have brought in 2 guys that have a real idea of how to get things done and have done so successfully for years.

Now lets see what they can do.

Hiring guys who are well known is not a negative when they are well known for good things. In the past we brought in guys that were well known for having talent but underachieved in terms of results- this just isn't that.

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5/10/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by Uptown:
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Lame is all I gotta say. In a couple of years the people happy over this will be calling for him to be fired just like Suns fans were.

Can't the same be said about Jackson, Avery, or coach X? In a couple of years the ship will probably just be ready to leave the port. Its all about expectations. Regardless of the coach, this team aint ready to win for a couple of years.

Who knows if the same can be said? If they're strategy was to preach defense(I'm sure Avery would) than I don't think that but D'Antoni's one-trick pony style will be one that gets tiring in a few years. Too bad people need such a long time to realize a bad movie(I.e Isiah, Marbury).
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5/10/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by GKFv2:

Lame is all I gotta say. In a couple of years the people happy over this will be calling for him to be fired just like Suns fans were.

Chuck Daly is widely around basketball as a very good coach. It's a good thing the Pistons took a chance on that "bum" in 1983 after he went 9-32 in 1981 with the Cavs and the fans called for his head.

It's a good thin the Pats took a chance on Bill Bellichick after a miserable 5 years in Cleveland.

Coaches learn. I'm sure D'Antoni has learned where to give and where to take with his offensive philosophy. The guy has won a million the games the past few years and turned a an average PG into a 2time MVP, yeah you're right the guy is a terrible coach.

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5/10/2008  2:24 PM
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I have not had a chance chime on D'Antoni yet, but a couple of thoughts about him and the defense criticism

1) The Suns ranked 4th in the NBA in pace last year. What that means is that, on offense and defense, the Suns had the 4th most possessions in the league last year. When you regularly play at that heavy a pace, you're going to see more points scored on both ends than the rest of the league.

2) Even with the faster pace, the Suns ranked no.1 in the NBA in offensive efficiency, or points scored per 100 possessions. So they were the best team in the NBA in terms of scoring efficiency, not just one of the best teams in terms of volume scoring. By contrast, other fast paced scoring teams like Denver and Golden State averaged 3-4 pts below Phoenix in this mark.

3) The Suns ranked 16th in the league in defensive efficiency. So they were 16th in terms of points allowed per 100 possessions. By contrast the Knicks were 29th and gave up 5 more pts per 100. So the Suns were a full tier above the Knicks in defense. And further, the Suns ranked 9th in league in effective FG% allowed (effective FG=(FGM+3PM/2)/FGA)). The cause for the disparity was that the Suns were one of the bottom 5 teams in creating turnovers (ranked closely with the Knicks).

But I think my conclusion is that you can't say this was a coach or a team that was de-emphasizing defense if they could rank top 10 in eFG allowed. It was a team that wasn't great on defense- but considering some of the individual defenders in their lineup like Nash, Amare (a much improved defensive player in recent seasons, though not a stalwart) and Shaq (too slow) you're not gonna be outstanding. Nash in particular cannot defend quick PG's (as demonstrated again in the playoffs), but he makes such a big difference on the offensive end that you can't really play him less minutes for defense.

4) Mike D'Antoni is one of the select few coaches in the NBA that has really demonstrated a vision. He created a system, had the players to fit it, and was very successful because they were playing a way that nobody in the NBA was playing at the time. The ability to see the big picture and go against the grain is something that is extremely valuable in a coach.

That he'll coach the Knicks the same way that he coached the Suns is not a given. But if he does choose to, I am extremely confident that the Walsh and D'Antoni will find the players who can run this system effectively. The Knicks do have several players on the roster that can thrive in an uptempo game (the ones we like), and several players who cannot (namely Zach, Curry, Marbury or the ones we don't).

If the Knicks were to play a faster pace, they'd be on of a handful of teams in the Eastern Conference to do so, and going against the grain could give them the advantage they need to be a playoff team in this conference. Will it ultimately win them the championship? It might be harder to thrive like that in the West where the playoff teams are a deeper and you have to face a team like the Spurs in the first round. A team that could legitimately play up tempo in the East I would suspect would go a lot farther.

This is an excellent post VDeai. You seem to see the entire picture better than most here. Everyone assumes that Suns didn't play defense but they played defense. When a team plays a fast pace other teams will get more shot too. One of the most important stat is the point differential the Suns were one of the top team in the dept.



This post isn't all that considering the pieces D'Antoni had to run his flash in the pan system. We don't have Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, Raja Bell, or even a Boris Diaw and even with all those players the Suns were an easy team so score on, especially when it came playoff time.
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5/10/2008  2:25 PM
Here is another link
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/basketball/nba/05/10/coach.knicks/index.html?eref=T1
I prefer Action Jackson but D'Antoni is not a bad move. One silver lining is that Dinglebury is surely gone. Ha ha ha!
Hopefully he plays the players that produce and not by salary or move either Curry or ZBo to the bench and start DLee. Also, we all know Stern is fixing the lottery We will have a lineup of
PG-Rose
SG-Crawford
SF-The Mayor
PF-DLee
C-Curry

Bench - ZBo, Nate, Balk
Knicks hiring D'Antoni as coach Story Highlights
Mike D'Antoni's new deal is worth as much as $24 million over four years
D'Antoni also had two interviews with the Chicago Bulls about their vacancy
Where do the Suns turn in their search for D'Antoni's replacement?




Mike D'Antoni takes over a Knicks team that has lost at least 49 games in each of the last four seasons.
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By Jack McCallum, SI.com

Mike D'Antoni has accepted the New York Knicks' lucrative job offer, ending a week-long battle with the Chicago Bulls, who also pursued the Phoenix Suns' coach, a league source told SI.com.

The Knicks reportedly gave D'Antoni a four-year deal worth about $24 million. He had two years and close to $9 million remaining on his contract with the Suns, whom he led to two Western Conference finals and an average of 58 victories in four full seasons.

The hiring completes a whirlwind week for D'Antoni, whom many thought would land with the Bulls, believing their roster better matched his fast-break style. But D'Antoni had been saying quietly all along that New York was as attractive an option for him as Chicago.

The affable D'Antoni certainly was an attractive option to new Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who is looking to change not only the team's on-court style after four consecutive seasons of 33 victories or fewer but also the unpleasant off-court culture that alienated the media -- and almost anyone else who was around -- during the Isiah Thomas days.

Walsh entered the picture last Monday when he interviewed D'Antoni at his home in Scottsdale, Ariz. That talk was sandwiched between D'Antoni's two interviews with Chicago Bulls general manager John Paxson, who spoke with the 2004-05 Coach of the Year on Sunday night and again on Monday morning in Phoenix. On Friday afternoon, at his home in Scottsdale, D'Antoni also talked to Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who has a home about 200 yards away from D'Antoni's. But in the end, Chicago couldn't match the New York offer. Walsh also interviewed Avery Johnson, early favorite Mark Jackson and Rick Carlisle, who has landed the Dallas Mavericks' opening.

D'Antoni's teams look to run, get jump shots off a high pick-and-roll offense and throw up three-pointers when there are openings ... and sometimes when there are not. D'Antoni, then, is not known as a coach who screams at his players for taking bad shots, but then again, he hasn't coached the Knicks' personnel. His big challenge would seem to be either reestablishing a connection with point guard Stephon Marbury, whom he coached briefly in Phoenix during the 2003-04 season, or turning shooting guard Jamal Crawford into more of a point guard. D'Antoni likes big men who run the floor, but it remains to be seen if power forward Zach Randolph would fit that mold, as center Eddy Curry certainly does not. In short, this is a roster that needs work, but that would be the case no matter who got the coaching job.

Where D'Antoni's departure leaves the Suns is a question mark. With the midseason acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal (an addition that D'Antoni advocated) and the possible slowing of 34-year-old point guard Steve Nash (at least that's the way it looked in the Suns' first-round, five-game loss to the San Antonio Spurs), the personnel doesn't suggest a certain style, as it did when D'Antoni and Nash first teamed up to bring fast-break basketball back to the NBA.

But the Phoenix job is still a plum one, with a nucleus of Nash, Shaq, Amaré Stoudemire, Raja Bell, Boris Diaw, Grant Hill and Leandro Barbosa. And with the approximately $9 million owed D'Antoni over the next two years now available, majority owner Robert Sarver and general manager Steve Kerr should be able to land a good coach.

Respected TNT analyst and former NBA coach Doug Collins, a confidant of Kerr's who lives in the Phoenix area, has been mentioned as a potential replacement for D'Antoni. A league source said a Suns player even contacted Collins (it's not known whether he did so on his own or on behalf of the team). But Collins told SI.com that he is not interested in returning to the hot seat. "I like my life the way it is," he said.

One possibility might be Jeff Van Gundy, who preaches a defensive-oriented, slow-down style but has also coached scoring big men like Patrick Ewing in New York and Yao Ming in Houston. With Stoudemire, the offense is already there, and Van Gundy would have to stress defense. But Van Gundy would take some persuading because he has said he doesn't want to coach next season.

Kerr, whose season-long rift with D'Antoni was probably the biggest single factor in the coach's exit, told SI.com that he does not want to coach, at least not now. (His son is a promising scholastic basketball player and Kerr would like to keep tabs on him.)

While it appears as if the situation unraveled quickly in Phoenix, the relationship between D'Antoni and Kerr took an early wrong turn and never got back on track. They had a blowup in November about Stoudemire's placement in the offense -- Kerr believed he should get more post-ups and planned touches -- and D'Antoni felt that on several occasions he was being undercut by Kerr, in subtle ways, in the media. "Oh, hell, maybe I'm paranoid," D'Antoni would say from time to time. But he didn't seem to believe that.

A divide also developed between D'Antoni and the Suns' personnel people, assistant general manager Vinny Del Negro and senior vice president of basketball operations Dave Griffin, who were aligned with Kerr. Management believed that D'Antoni didn't have nearly enough confidence in his bench and that his refusal to open up his rotation hurt the team. The coach maintained that he wasn't given the proper players and therefore did not trust his bench. D'Antoni also believed that the front office did not have full confidence in his assistant coaches, a group including veteran Alvin Gentry, newcomer Jay Humphries, Phil Weber (who specialized in individual workouts with players) and Dan D'Antoni, Mike's older brother.

Still, most of the turmoil remained hidden, partly because D'Antoni and Kerr are both pleasant men, adept at dealing with the media and even with each other, smoldering internal resentments notwithstanding. But in the cauldron of the playoffs against the Spurs, when some of management's dissatisfaction with D'Antoni's defensive schemes and strategy began to find their way into the papers and the blogosphere, the situation devolved.

A devastating double-overtime loss in Game 1, a standard loss in Game 2 and a galling blowout loss at home in Game 3 all but ended the Suns' season and exposed a team in disarray. It had become evident by then that the season had worn on D'Antoni and that the chances of the coach and Kerr repairing their relationship were infinitesimal. After the Suns were eliminated in Game 5, SI.com reported that D'Antoni would not return as coach because of what he considered to be a lack of support from upper management.

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5/10/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Lame is all I gotta say. In a couple of years the people happy over this will be calling for him to be fired just like Suns fans were.

Chuck Daly is widely around basketball as a very good coach. It's a good thing the Pistons took a chance on that "bum" in 1983 after he went 9-32 in 1981 with the Cavs and the fans called for his head.

It's a good thin the Pats took a chance on Bill Bellichick after a miserable 5 years in Cleveland.

Coaches learn. I'm sure D'Antoni has learned where to give and where to take with his offensive philosophy. The guy has won a million the games the past few years and turned a an average PG into a 2time MVP, yeah you're right the guy is a terrible coach.

You mean cheater Bellichick? And If that's the case how come we didn't hire a coach who had a horrible regular season record as SpyGate Bill when in Cleveland?
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5/10/2008  2:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

Lame is all I gotta say. In a couple of years the people happy over this will be calling for him to be fired just like Suns fans were.

Chuck Daly is widely around basketball as a very good coach. It's a good thing the Pistons took a chance on that "bum" in 1983 after he went 9-32 in 1981 with the Cavs and the fans called for his head.

It's a good thin the Pats took a chance on Bill Bellichick after a miserable 5 years in Cleveland.

Coaches learn. I'm sure D'Antoni has learned where to give and where to take with his offensive philosophy. The guy has won a million the games the past few years and turned a an average PG into a 2time MVP, yeah you're right the guy is a terrible coach.

The guy coaches 50% of the game. That's the reason why his teams couldn't get over the hump. The only reason he won so many games was because of the tremendous talent assembled on that team that he probably wont ever have again, including Steve Nash.
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5/10/2008  2:28 PM
Bringing in D'Antoni also dowses the flames on this being an undesirable place to work or play. Walsh and D'Antoni are highly repesctable in inner NBA circles. Players will want to play for D'Antoni.
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5/10/2008  2:28 PM
Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.
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5/10/2008  2:32 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by GKFv2:

Lame is all I gotta say. In a couple of years the people happy over this will be calling for him to be fired just like Suns fans were.

Chuck Daly is widely around basketball as a very good coach. It's a good thing the Pistons took a chance on that "bum" in 1983 after he went 9-32 in 1981 with the Cavs and the fans called for his head.

It's a good thin the Pats took a chance on Bill Bellichick after a miserable 5 years in Cleveland.

Coaches learn. I'm sure D'Antoni has learned where to give and where to take with his offensive philosophy. The guy has won a million the games the past few years and turned a an average PG into a 2time MVP, yeah you're right the guy is a terrible coach.

You mean cheater Bellichick? And If that's the case how come we didn't hire a coach who had a horrible regular season record as SpyGate Bill when in Cleveland?

The point of the post was to emphasize the fact that coaches are always learning, I guarantee you D'Antoni has learned how to tweak his system and what positions he needs more defense at.

By the way, how exactly was D'Antoni supposed to fix the "defensive problems" in Phoenix when he had NO defensive players? Amare sucks defensively, Nash sucks defensively, Marion was decent but looked out for #1 before anything. If Amare actually gave a **** and D'd up on Duncan, the Suns would have beaten the Spurs atleast once and would have been in the finals. But yeah, D'Antoni is terrible. He's garbage. He couldn't beat the Spurs, might as well pick it up and go back to Italy since he has no future coaching in this league since he can't beat the Spurs.
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5/10/2008  2:32 PM
TrueBlue- why is that you assume that Walsh/D'Antoni working together are going to keep the status quo on this roster?

D'Antoni over his time in Phoenix collected players that would fit- that weren't necessarily stars. Boris Diaw, Raja Bell- these were guys that were hardly household names that really succeeed once placed under D'Antoni's system.

As good as players like Marion, Amare and Nash were, neither were as well regarded as until they played under D'Antoni. And Marion and Nash were established veterans to that point.

Listen, we were talking about a 29 win team the year that he took over mid-season. We have to keep things in the proper perspective in terms of starting point. Their GM had a vision to get some roster flexibility and hopefully ours sees that too.

As far as the "easy to score on" mantra- I think I explained that thoroughly in my post. Playing at a faster place yields a higher volume of points- there's no denying that. Suns still were relatively solid in terms of pt differential and eFG against.

We also shouldn't ignore that fact that the San Antonio Spurs are a great team and have been for years. If you're going to put it all on their playoff performance than you must highlight their opponent and give them their due. That is undoubtedly the best team in the last 10 years they have been losing to.
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5/10/2008  2:34 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Well that's not fair. Who coached the Bulls with the same players before Phil Jackson got there? Who was the coach for the Lakers befor Jackson got there? You might have the horses but you need a good coach to put it together. We can say that the Suns has a great roster but you need a plan and a vision. D'Antoni has this. I am a Mark Jackson fan but this is a good consolation prize.

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5/10/2008  2:37 PM
I hear the concerns expressed about D'Antoni, and in fairness to these folks, they have good reason to be fearful that this is consistent with the bad moves made in the past under Isiah, Layden and Dolan.

I was pro-Jax because of the transition period we would be going through allowing him to learn the ropes as we improve the roster, and if does not work out make a move for a more successful coach. Yet D'Antoni has these qualities already and may be motivated to prove that his legacy as a good coach is deserved. It is often when successful coaches show success on new teams that we see respect raised.

During SL last year when we were a running team with Nate, Balkman, Chander, etc. those guys seemed to be in their element. I am curious to see how these players, if they remain, would function in a similar system, or if D'Antoni might try something different. Curry and Zach seem like the least ideal guys in it, yet wasn't the idea that with an integrated post presence that PHX needed? Our D will suck, sure, but at least we might have a shot at really being able to utilize our offensive talents.

Last year the rhetoric was the Knicks won't be able to defend, but they will be able to score. Problem is we didn't do either under Isiah. If we can form a potent offense at least we have a shot at winning some games. Then the roster can be adjusted over time to fit whatever system needs to be implemented. This is all speculation, but we have been so bad for so long that we don't have forever to get things turned around.

Let's not forget that our 2010 pick is essentially GONE. If we still stink by then what will we say about passing on D'Antoni then?

The question I have is whether we can all give this a fair chance to transpire and see what he can do with this team. I for one am intrigued. Maybe that means "suckered by Dolan and Isiah's ghost" to some, but it is no sure thing to suggest that any other available hire is going to do more for us.

The contract is the one that I hear most being concerned over, if the team does not show real improvement, because it might strap management down. I guess that's part of the risk, and some probably don't like how close it rings to decisions made under Isiah and Layden. The problem is the correlation between such moves is not by any means an absolute.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-10-2008 2:44 PM]
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5/10/2008  2:38 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Well that's not fair. Who coached the Bulls with the same players before Phil Jackson got there? Who was the coach for the Lakers befor Jackson got there? You might have the horses but you need a good coach to put it together. We can say that the Suns has a great roster but you need a plan and a vision. D'Antoni has this. I am a Mark Jackson fan but this is a good consolation prize.

I'm saying D'Antoni's impact should be tempered.
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5/10/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Does Phil Jackson deserve to be discredited because he had Jordan, Pippen, Kobe and Shaq?

Riley for having Magic, Worthy, Kareem, Ewing, Shaq, Wade?

Just sayin', one can argue this all over the place.

and to add...who here is giving 100% to D'Antoni? Not I, that's for sure.

[Edited by - PresIke on 05-10-2008 2:39 PM]
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5/10/2008  2:39 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Trueblue, not to be disrespectful, but stop getting your panties in a bunch about this. Of course the Suns were awesome b/c of the players. And the Suns weren't a great defensive team, because of those players. You can't give credit to the players for being a great offensive team, and then give the criticism to D'Antoni for them being a not great defensive team. The players should be criticized even more if anything. Just like here, the players should be criticized for being lousy on defense, and ISIAH should be criticized for bringing them in, and how dare I say, the Colangelos's should be criticized for building mainly and offensive team.

We need to rebuild this team and then see what D'Antoni can do with it. Hopefully we can draft Rose and he'll be a guy we can build around for this system.

SO far, I think we need to see what we do with this roster. We need to get rid of Currydolf.
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5/10/2008  2:40 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Well that's not fair. Who coached the Bulls with the same players before Phil Jackson got there? Who was the coach for the Lakers befor Jackson got there? You might have the horses but you need a good coach to put it together. We can say that the Suns has a great roster but you need a plan and a vision. D'Antoni has this. I am a Mark Jackson fan but this is a good consolation prize.

I'm saying D'Antoni's impact should be tempered.

Sounds fair to me. I ain't expecting a miracle, but improvement? Yes.
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5/10/2008  2:41 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wow a lot of Knick fans are selling the Suns roster short and giving D'Antoni almost 100% credit for their success the past 4 yrs.

Not surprising.

Well that's not fair. Who coached the Bulls with the same players before Phil Jackson got there? Who was the coach for the Lakers befor Jackson got there? You might have the horses but you need a good coach to put it together. We can say that the Suns has a great roster but you need a plan and a vision. D'Antoni has this. I am a Mark Jackson fan but this is a good consolation prize.

I'm saying D'Antoni's impact should be tempered.

Every coach's impact should be tempered when you have a roster like this. What I and others have been trying to say, is that at least D'Antoni has demonstrated a vision/philosophy and implemented succesfully. That he can see the big picture and bring in/fit players to a system is a plus. The bigger challenge of gutting the roster and trimming off the fat is yet to come, but I think we have 2 very smart guys in place to steer the ship in the right direction now.



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5/10/2008  2:41 PM
I'm acceptable to this but I don't want to see a starphuc--meaning I dont want to swap that lottery pick for a 31 year old retread. There is NO KG on the market and ONLY a player of KG's magnitude could help a roster that contained two other all stars excellent role players and what developed into a very solid PG. Just going out and swapping Shawn Marion for pick 5 and Marbury is as bad as it would get. I would really disappointed if they went ride off the trail they said--cap space in 2 years. To me--that is a better plan than hiring a coach. And I know why the people here might be upset with hiring this coach--they may feel another starphcking attempt is coming and I think they could be right. The coach is fine because if hes good enough he can alter things here and there to make a team work. If he wants to play like Phoenix--I will say we will be rebuilding for 5 years. So there has to be an in between--i.e his coaching style has to change a bit and we havce to stick with the first plan and rebuild this sht pile.
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