Posted by izybx:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by izybx:
If what the defense attorney is alleging is true, than its disgraceful and disturbing. If there is no evidence, then how are these guys being held and charged? Its not the police who draw up the case and file charge, its a DA, I would be surprised if an ADA followed through on a case that apparently has no evidence. If it turns out that this case is a complete fabrication then these guys deserve whatever they have coming to them.
Lets not pretend to be naive her, the DA and the police are brother and sister, thats part of what made the Sean Bell trial such a farce. There is what a police claims he saw, and the coincidence of being in the area of the shooting, which we both know is evidence enough. There is the pressure to charge these men with something, lest there be serious outrage that the police were judge and jury on the wrong guys. So far, based on everything publicly available, they've got nothing. You witnessed a shooting with 4 guys, and the shooter went one way and 3 guys got in a car and you followed the car? You're a cop, and you know that sounds like the dumbest **** in the history of policing. Furthermore, if its true, the tape radio dialogue should support it. I think cops got caught doing what certain communities have seen them do too often. This idea that because a cop was killed there is some sort of a justification for mob behavior is upsetting and scary. These guys do not deserve to just lose their jobs, they should be brought up on charges. If me and some friends beat up some guys like that we are going to prison, even if the guy killed our friend; we'd ALL be in prison. Thats where these guys belong.
Worst part about it is that if there was no videotape, cops woulda said they resisted arrest and that would have been the beginning and end of it.
[Edited by - Killa4luv on 05-11-2008 11:31 PM]
A) I understand you have no experience with the DA office besides reading the papers and what Sharpton is qouted saying. In NYC there is not a healthy relationship between the DA and the police. I cant speak for other juristictions. I know that in the Bronx some ADAs are impossible to work with, and unless you present an airproof case they will often decline to prosecute solid cases. If had drug sale cases where I had the buyer, the seller, the drugs, the money,and two observing officers and the ADA dropped the charges because the seller did not have
any more drugs on him besides the three bags that we recovered from the buyer. At the end of the day everybody is out to cover their own ass, and no competent DA will bring fugazi charges because they will be jammed up right along with the cops if it turns out that the case is BS. So if the Phili DA is anything like NYC then there is probable cause to charge these guys. Last time I checked the charges werent dropped against these guys. So there is evidence.
B) If you would read the statements of the police the initial observing officer was conducting surveillence from a secure location, which I interpreted to mean a vacant apartment. The officer put a description of the vehicle over there air. Im sure radio transmissions have already been reviewed. There was plenty of time from the intial obervation to pick up by marked cars to have dropped someone off.
Im not defending the actions of the police. You seem to defend the actions of people being charged with murder. Yes, perhaps these guys were framed by the police, who (according to the att. murder suspects defense attorney) saw some guy who resembled the savage that killed a cop last week and then invented some shooting and pulled these guys over minutes afterwords and only blocks from the scene. I must say, if this attorney is right, then these cops are very talented to plan a beating right after a triple shooting.
A) You dont know what I know. Healthy relationship or not, if the job descriptions of police officers and DA's have not changed, than what I said about them being brother and sister is 100% factorial. :) COvering one's own ass makes sense, but what are the repercussions? COps are rarely prosecuted for wrongdoing, and a DAs, well, lets say Jesus Christ would have to come down in order to have a DA prosecuted for bringing forth a weak case. I dont know when I've seen it happen, particularly not for 3 black males, no way, no how. But we'll see how it all plays out.
I'm not defending anyone charged with murder, theres no need to. Nothing has been proven, the burden of proof is on the state, we'll see how it plays out. I dont prejudge people or assume they are guilty because a bunch of dirty cops said so. I know that initially you were quick to tell us the 'real' story and defend the police. YOu even kept in his detailed justification for how emotional they all are as a justification.
I think you may not understand where I am on this police brutality issue. I want 1 standard of law. Good police work, proper police work, and I want police to be held accountable when they break the law, the same way they hold criminals accountable. They assaulted these guys for no reason, and they ought to have to face the same music I'd have to face. Stress is not an excuse, I do not buy it, I do not accept it. But at the same time, I'm not foolish enough to group all police one way, I have met some cool cops, and as I have said before, I have an uncle and a close friend who's a cop, and Ive had some cool experiecnes with police. But I've had alot of bad experiences; not me making it up, not my emotions as Solace thinks, real life bad experiences. VIolations of my rights so frequent, its just not imaginable. I have friends who have been wrongfully imprisoned for long times who have been exonerated. I have friends who have been wrongfully imprisoned, who's time in jail was a turning point in there lives. A bad one. And then I have friends who were arrested, who belong in a prison. I dont see one side of the picture, I see the whole picture. I do not pretend that cops are above the law and always correct, because I
know from personal experience that thats not true. Each case is different. But I'd be stupid to not notice a pattern of police brutality. PLain stupid.
But its interesting all of the excuses (not you specifically) that people make for police. One standard of law is what I want. Its not that hard NOT to beat someone up. Couldn't you see yourself telling a 'perp' that? Even if someone killed the perps friend, you'd have sympathy, but I assume you'd still arrest them and press charges and go to court and testify against them. Why should I not expect the same thing of the police?
Yesterday the police killed some more unarmed black men in a car, because they thought they were being fired upon. When does this stop? How many unarmed black people do we have to see killed by the police before ordinary people, including police, can say, wait, there is something wrong here when this just KEEPS happening. How many times before a cop can say, wait, this is a pattern that needs to be addressed in a serious way, lets take this seriously?
